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Tichenor · Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:27 am Post subject: Any armor at Grafenwohr

Hi all

I will be at Grafenwohr training area within two weeks. Any known (or unknown Wink

) armor there?

Michel

TrevorLarkum · Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Any armor at Grafenwohr

We've discussed it on this forum a couple of times, for example:

www.com-central.net/in...mp;p=86205

www.com-central.net/in...mp;t=14181

I think I remember someone posting some photos of tanks on display there, but I can't find them now. I haven't yet written up the tanks there, though the location's in the database ('34') because of tanks previously there that I have written up. Don't forget, too, it's very close to Vilseck ('35'):

Preserved Tanks in Germany

There's hartziel too - as well as wrecks there appears to be a semi-formal display with an M26, M24 and other vehicles:

www.hartziel.de/grafen.../index.htm

Tichenor · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Any armor at Grafenwohr

Just back from Grafenwohr, here's what I did find there:

M60
SN 79
RN RN JJ032A

M3 Half Track looking like a M16

M3A1 Scout car

Tichenor · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Any armor at Grafenwohr

For the Sherman fans
M4A1E4(76)W

M7B2 Priest
SN 4602
This one is a French rebuild (ABS) and used by the German Army

M7B1

M32A1B1

Tichenor · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Any armor at Grafenwohr

M24
SN 648
Also a French rebuild (has a rebuildplate from Gien on it)

A second M24

M44
SN 315

M59

Tichenor · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Any armor at Grafenwohr

The complete set can be found here:
Grafenwohr set

No sign of the M26 Pershing, but there was an empty pad with a sign for a M41 Walker Bulldog

Security was high, so there was no chance to access Vilseck. However I could see a M113A1 as gateguard at the north gate (but no pictures).

The ranges where in use, so no luck there either.

Michel

JimWeb · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Any armor at Grafenwohr

- Tichenor

M3 Half Track looking like a M16

Slight typo there I am sure as its an M13 modified post-war with a four-gun arrangement.

TrevorLarkum · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Any armor at Grafenwohr

Nice work!

Tichenor · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:06 am Post subject: Re: Any armor at Grafenwohr

- JimWeb

Slight typo there I am sure as its an M13 modified post-war with a four-gun arrangement.

Didn't the M13 have a two gun system? Those halftracks are even harder to recognize than the Shermans. Anyway I'm counting on the allknowing collective knowledge of the group to correct my mistakes.

Michel

JimWeb · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Any armor at Grafenwohr

Do you have a larger image Michel? There is something not quite right about the gun arrangement.....

Tichenor · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: Any armor at Grafenwohr

Jim

All the pictures can be found at
community.webshots.com...oL?start=0

In my opinion those guns are replica's (bad ones)

Michel

Hanno_Spoelstra · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jun 04, 2006 Posts: 185

Thanks for sharing the pictures!

Actually, the Sherman pictured below is an M4A1E9.
The E4 is a Sherman with 75-mm mantlet and turret retrofitted with a 76-mm gun - see web.inter.nl.net/users...etro76.htm

Regards,
Hanno

- Tichenor

For the Sherman fans
M4A1E4(76)W

Tichenor · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Any armor at Grafenwohr

Hi Hanno

I can't believe I made that mistake again (probably the 10th time

)
Indeed it is a M4A1E9 with the spaced out suspention (I promise I will never make that mistake again)

Michel

JimWeb · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: Any armor at Grafenwohr

- Tichenor

Jim

All the pictures can be found at
community.webshots.com...oL?start=0

In my opinion those guns are replica's (bad ones)

Michel

Having examined your larger image I am almost sure that is an M13 with an additional pair of 'guns' added to make it look M16ish..

The gun arrangement is all wrong for a post-war-four-gun modified version.

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