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JimWeb · Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:38 am Post subject: Interesting image

As always its the vehicles in the background that turn out to be a bit more interesting than the main subject..

bsmart · Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:57 am Post subject: Re: Interesting image

A gun tractor M4A4?? I would think some kind of engineering or recovery vehicle but I don't see any winch, jib or PTO gear

The Ram is interesting too. Looks like a Ram II (I'm guessing that is a 6pdr gun from the size) but the tool boxes on the back look tall enough that they would block rotation to the 7 o'clock position (and it appears that the storage box at the back of the turret would also be blocked but I'm not sure that it is actually attached to the turret. That makes me wonder if that is a fake gun and the Ram is some type of recovery or Command vehicle with a fixed turret

DO you have any idea when and where the picture was taken?

JimWeb · Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: Interesting image

Its a RAM ARV Mk I - the gun is a dummy.

JimWeb · Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Interesting image

- bsmart

A gun tractor M4A4?? I would think some kind of engineering or recovery vehicle but I don't see any winch, jib or PTO gear

It's a toss-up between a Gun Tractor and a Kangaroo I suspect!

JimWeb · Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Interesting image

- bsmart

DO you have any idea when and where the picture was taken?

Aborfield, Uk, 23 April 1943.

tanker2010 · Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Interesting image

It's a toss-up between a Gun Tractor and a Kangaroo I suspect!

Since they didn't use the M4A4 for either, it's more than likely a Sherman V ARV. Mk.I.

Edit. After enlarging the pic and looking at it, I'd say it is for sure it's an ARV Mk.I.

bsmart · Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Interesting image

- JimWeb

- bsmart

DO you have any idea when and where the picture was taken?

Aborfield, Uk, 23 April 1943.

What was the function of Aborfield? Since the other two vehicles appear to be recovery vehicles it woul follow that if Aborfield was a test and training site for REME (They handle that task in the British Army don't they) than the Sherman is also a recovery vehicle. That early it may not have all the standard features because things were still being worked out

TimRoyall · Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Interesting image

The Sherman also appears to have grousers or something odd fitted on its tracks. Are they standard?

I know that the RA trialled Shermans as 17 pdr gun tractors during the war but as this is Aborfield it isn't like;y to be involved in that.

Tim,

JimWeb · Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Interesting image

- tanker2010

After enlarging the pic and looking at it, I'd say it is for sure it's an ARV Mk.I.

Strange assumption as the image is dated 6 months after the introduction into service of the production ARV Mark 1 and it lacks all the relevant fittings.

JimWeb · Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Interesting image

- TimRoyall

I know that the RA trialled Shermans as 17 pdr gun tractors during the war but as this is Aborfield it isn't like;y to be involved in that.

Tim,

Not quite true as an example of every vehicle type the army possessed passed through Aborfield during the war so that they could write the manuals on repairing them.

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