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Doug_Kibbey · Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:34 am Post subject: Re: Improvized Armoury Vehicles

- bialy-r

Some Cuban improvised armored vehicles:

Revolution Museum, Havana (Cuba):

www.flickr.com/photos/...407417873/

www.flickr.com/photos/...407417873/

Improvised armoured vehicle, Holguin province :
www.flickr.com/photos/...500379163/

Every bit as daunting as Dr. No's dragon tank.

www.cartrans.co.uk/Gra...n-tank.jpg

bialy-r · Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Improvized Armoury Vehicles

Different Improvised Armoured Fighting Vehicles – Damas Museum, Damascus (Syria)

Number 1
www.acig.org/artman/pu..._444.shtml

Number 2
www.simonconnell.com/2...mascus.htm

Number 3
www.militaryphotos.net...read/page4

The information isn’t confirmed but all could be a ex – Israeli vehicles captured by Syrians ?

I think the information: "two Free-French armoured trucks captured from French Forces during the short war of independence, in 1946" isn't corect ?
Have the French Forces any improvised armoured vehicles in Syria ?

Pope130 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Mar 22, 2010 Posts: 11

Bialy-R,
Thanks for posting the photoes from the museum in Damascus. One of the vehicles is definitely French. The first truck, the one with the conventional front end is a "Bisch" type Dodge. They were built before WW-2 for service in the French mandated areas of the mid-east. The cab and engine compartment had armour added inside the existing body panels. The cargo area had a complete new build armour body. Versions with a simple personel body (like the one in the photo) and with gun mounts for a 37mm or 47mm cannon were built. They served with Foreign Legion units before the war, and both Vichy and Free French units during WW-2. After the war trucks remaining in country passed on to the Syrian government. Some were used during the '48 war.

The second truck, the one with the van body, is a typical Israeli "Sandwich" truck. Body panels were made from a laminate of wood with relatively thin sheet metal on both sides. They were used as convoy escorts before and during the '48 war. Some were simple open topped cars, others (like the example shown) had a closed top with a cupola. The side panels of the cupola were hinged on the centerline. They were known as "Butterfly" cars. This one appears to have been built on a British 15CWT chassis.

The third truck, the one with the turret, is a bit harder to define. They body has features typical of Jewish Palestinian cars built during the mandate period. The turret design is not typical.

Robert

bialy-r · Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Improvized Armoury Vehicles

- Pope130

Bialy-R,
Thanks for posting the photoes from the museum in Damascus. One of the vehicles is definitely French. The first truck, the one with the conventional front end is a "Bisch" type Dodge. They were built before WW-2 for service in the French mandated areas of the mid-east. The cab and engine compartment had armour added inside the existing body panels. The cargo area had a complete new build armour body. Versions with a simple personel body (like the one in the photo) and with gun mounts for a 37mm or 47mm cannon were built. They served with Foreign Legion units before the war, and both Vichy and Free French units during WW-2. After the war trucks remaining in country passed on to the Syrian government. Some were used during the '48 war.

Robert

Robert do you have maybe a photo/link to photo - original photo from the period in which those cars where used by French Legion.

Pope130 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Mar 22, 2010 Posts: 11

I can't find the website that covers the FFL vehicles just now. I did save this pic of one of the vehicles in use:

Pope130 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Mar 22, 2010 Posts: 11

Here's one of the Syrian Bisch Dodges abandoned in the Galilee:

bialy-r · Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Improvized Armoury Vehicles

www.flickr.com/photos/...515037869/

Har Adar (Israel)

What could be that be ? hull of Improvized Armoured Vehicles ?

Pope130 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Mar 22, 2010 Posts: 11

That's the locally made shell of an upgraded White M-3 Scout Car. Something around 30 M-3s were altered to armoured cars during the '48 war by covering the rear with armour and adding a small turret. Most were armed with MG-34's, although a few had Besas, and there was at least one with a French 37mm SA.38 cannon.

bialy-r · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Improvized Armoury Vehicles

- Pope130

That's the locally made shell of an upgraded White M-3 Scout Car. Something around 30 M-3s were altered to armoured cars during the '48 war by covering the rear with armour and adding a small turret. Most were armed with MG-34's, although a few had Besas, and there was at least one with a French 37mm SA.38 cannon.

I thought about it earlier but I'm not so suer ?
commons.wikimedia.org/...trun-2.jpg

Pope130 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Mar 22, 2010 Posts: 11

The car at Latrun is a recently built reproduction of one of the originals. Beautifully made and quite accurate. It's a slightly different version than the shell on Telegraph Hill. The Latrun car has higher vertical sides, and different angled panels.
There were at least five different major variations of the body design, and many minor detail differences.

bialy-r · Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Improvized Armoury Vehicles

Thanks for informations.

Rafal

bialy-r · Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Improvized Armoury Vehicles

Improvized Armoured Vehicle from Cyprus

hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/sho...moured-car

Costas_TT · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Feb 15, 2012 Posts: 387

Curiously enough, we haven't yet included the LTTE's BMT Armored Tank yet (YW531 hull + Saladin turret):
www.flickr.com/photos/...otostream/

www.armyrecognition.co...php?p=7493

www.flickr.com/photos/...otostream/

The latest photos confirm the lack of any sort of vision devices for the driver... He would have to steer on instructions from the commander when closed down for combat.

bialy-r · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Improvized Armoured Vehicles

Improvised vehicles in DONBAS CONFLICT IN UKRAINE

odkrywca.pl/samorobki-...tml#735684

Pzkpfw-e · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jul 21, 2010 Posts: 1202

Here's a few from me, firstly Dubrovnik.
[img]https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/v/t1.0-9/553135_10151002291293984_95446087_n.jpg?oh=0ad9f1ce693d8e8f6586e33c79f8c49c&oe=54C030E6&__gda__=1421878081_caa4d358f2ff8ae73978ff78366ee23e[/img]

It might be the same one in the first set posted by bialy-r

[img]https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/548024_10151002292153984_282291762_n.jpg?oh=7fb66fba7bf035ca29336c0792255e23&oe=54D049A4&__gda__=1418109843_5e12ab187ed49f7025968d0921c36508[/img]

Bison concrete armour, recovered near Sleaford, Lincolnshire, displayed at East Kirkby.

[img]https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10454321_10152725452608984_1279918317634585363_n.jpg?oh=3890507dab461698061b8765a5d98277&oe=54B1F3B7&__gda__=1422902433_7a1025acdcfa1d02cc6ac254024f9392[/img]

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