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The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:56 am Post subject: Re: AFV in Greece
- Tichenor The Sherman from the Palis Foundation seems to be a Grizzly. Michel Question to all Sherman tanks experts is the vehicle a Grizzly ? www.palisfoundation.co...s/vehicles

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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:28 am Post subject: Re: AFV in Greece
Anyone a grid of the location(s) of the PALIS foundation? Regards, Lesley

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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:53 am Post subject: Re: AFV in Greece
- L.Delsing Anyone a grid of the location(s) of the PALIS foundation? Regards, Lesley Here www.aviationmuseum.eu/...dation.htm

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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:17 pm
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Hi Folks!

- bialy-r

- Tichenor

The Sherman from the Palis Foundation seems to be a Grizzly.
Michel

Question to all Sherman tanks experts is the vehicle a Grizzly ?
www.palisfoundation.co...s/vehicles

From what I understand, that Sherman is a US build M-4A1.
The detail difference can be seen in the tracks and the sprockets.

Grizzlys use a type of track block call "Canadian Dry Pin" (CDP) which uses a single pin to contect one block to another. What is called a "dead track". That type of track block requires a sprocket with a different type tooth pattern from the other types. The teeth look somewhat like a single finger.

All the other Shermans use a "live track" with two pins per block contected by "end connecters" and the sprocket teeth look like pyramids pointing outward from the center.

If I am looking at the correct vehicle, then that vehicle has a "live track" block assemble.

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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:55 pm
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Grizzlys use a type of track block call "Canadian Dry Pin" (CDP)

That's correct, however lots of Grizzly owners have changed the tracks to more common Sherman type tracks.

that Sherman is a US build M-4A1

Not necessary, Canadian Grizzlys used American cast hulls. All where build by General Steel hence the G in the shield. I know it's not enough to be sure its a Grizzly but the chance of a surviving M4A1 casted by General steel is much smaller than a Grizzly in this part of the world.

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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:27 am Post subject: Re: AFV in Greece
More from the Athens Army Park: www.militaryphotos.net...-Army-Park _________________ 1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.

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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:35 pm
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- bialy-r

- Tichenor

The Sherman from the Palis Foundation seems to be a Grizzly.

Michel

Question to all Sherman tanks experts is the vehicle a Grizzly ?

www.palisfoundation.co...s/vehicles

Hard to say.. given that a lot of ex-Grizzly tanks have been sold by Portugal in the 1980s, there is more chances that it is a Grizzly rather than an M4A1. Hard to say.

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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:54 am
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- Tichenor

Not necessary, Canadian Grizzlys used American cast hulls. All where build by General Steel hence the G in the shield. I know it's not enough to be sure its a Grizzly but the chance of a surviving M4A1 casted by General steel is much smaller than a Grizzly in this part of the world.

I'll second that. There used to be a Grizzly named Angel of Freedom in Belgium. If this is the same, it is a Grizzly which was retrofitted with rubber tracks (the orginal CDP track being weighed in at the scrapman...) and a non-original engine. I know the Belgian owner sold it, so it could well have ended up in Greece.

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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: AFV in Greece
A company dealing in old military vehicles: www.hatzikiriakos.gr/i...ng=english _________________ 1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: AFV in Greece
A link to a zip file with a nice collection of walkaround and interior photos showing the Army Park M52: maquetland.com/zip/zip/m52.zip _________________ 1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.

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Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 9:38 am Post subject: Re: AFV in Greece
Monument M24 inside an Army facility: _________________ 1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.

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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: AFV in Greece
Vehicles in the collection of the Air Force Museum: www.haf.gr/el/media/ph...=20&page=1 www.haf.gr/el/media/ph...=20&page=5 _________________ 1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.

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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:19 am Post subject: Re: AFV in Greece
More from the War Museum in Thessaloniki, courtesy of Panoramio: www.panoramio.com/phot...ser=913681 www.panoramio.com/phot...ser=913681 www.panoramio.com/phot...er=2609564 www.panoramio.com/phot...er=3756135 _________________ 1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.

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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:52 am
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More preserved AFVs, from the Army's own site (museum page)

Rethymnon: White M3A1 Scout car, M24 Chaffee, M42 Duster.

Armor Training Center: Photo Gallery The photo of the A27L Centaur is an old one, before it was repainted in a more correct scheme.

Komotini: M8 Greyhound (diesel), BMP-1A1 Ost, AMX-30B.

Kalamata: M8 Greyhound (diesel), M48A5 Patton.

Didymoteicho: Marmon-Herrington Mk IVF, photos 1 & 2.

Officers' Academy: AMX-30B, M48 Patton, M44, M52, M59, M59A1, M24 Chaffee, M42 Duster.

Artillery Officers' School: M42 Duster, M52.

Fort Lisse: M42 Duster.

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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: AFV in Greece
Is it a Centaur or a Cromwell? There aren't many preserved Centaurs. It's not a good picture but what are the tracks? They look like 432 APC tracks similar to what the Overloon museum did with their Cromwell.

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