±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 404
Total: 404
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Community Forums
03: Home
04: Community Forums
05: Downloads
06: Community Forums
07: Photo Gallery
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Home
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Photo Gallery
17: Home
18: Community Forums
19: Home
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Home
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Home
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Home
30: Community Forums
31: Home
32: Member Screenshots
33: Home
34: Community Forums
35: Photo Gallery
36: Home
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Photo Gallery
40: Supporters
41: Home
42: Photo Gallery
43: Home
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Photo Gallery
47: Community Forums
48: News
49: Home
50: Photo Gallery
51: Community Forums
52: Photo Gallery
53: Downloads
54: Home
55: Community Forums
56: Statistics
57: Community Forums
58: Member Screenshots
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Home
63: Community Forums
64: Home
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Home
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Home
71: Home
72: Community Forums
73: Member Screenshots
74: Home
75: Home
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Home
83: Home
84: Home
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Downloads
88: Home
89: Home
90: Photo Gallery
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Home
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Home
97: Home
98: Community Forums
99: Photo Gallery
100: Community Forums
101: Downloads
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Photo Gallery
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Home
108: Home
109: News Archive
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Home
117: Home
118: Photo Gallery
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Community Forums
122: Photo Gallery
123: Community Forums
124: Home
125: Community Forums
126: Home
127: Community Forums
128: News Archive
129: Home
130: Home
131: Community Forums
132: Photo Gallery
133: Photo Gallery
134: Photo Gallery
135: Community Forums
136: Photo Gallery
137: Community Forums
138: Photo Gallery
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Home
146: Community Forums
147: Home
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Home
154: Photo Gallery
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: News
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Member Screenshots
162: Community Forums
163: Member Screenshots
164: Community Forums
165: Home
166: Community Forums
167: Home
168: Home
169: Home
170: Home
171: Home
172: Member Screenshots
173: Home
174: Home
175: Your Account
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Photo Gallery
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Home
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Downloads
186: Photo Gallery
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: News Archive
190: Community Forums
191: Home
192: Downloads
193: Community Forums
194: Home
195: Home
196: Community Forums
197: Photo Gallery
198: Home
199: Community Forums
200: Home
201: Home
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Home
206: Home
207: Home
208: Home
209: Home
210: Home
211: Home
212: Home
213: Community Forums
214: Home
215: Home
216: Community Forums
217: Member Screenshots
218: Contact
219: Community Forums
220: Home
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Home
225: News Archive
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Photo Gallery
231: Community Forums
232: Downloads
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Home
236: Community Forums
237: Home
238: Home
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Photo Gallery
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Home
246: Home
247: Home
248: Community Forums
249: Photo Gallery
250: Home
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Home
257: Home
258: Home
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Downloads
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Home
266: Home
267: Home
268: Home
269: News
270: Your Account
271: Home
272: Community Forums
273: Home
274: Home
275: Community Forums
276: Member Screenshots
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Home
280: Community Forums
281: Photo Gallery
282: Member Screenshots
283: Downloads
284: Community Forums
285: Home
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Member Screenshots
289: Home
290: Home
291: Home
292: Community Forums
293: Home
294: News Archive
295: Community Forums
296: Home
297: Home
298: News Archive
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Home
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Home
306: Home
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Home
311: Home
312: Home
313: Home
314: Community Forums
315: Photo Gallery
316: Home
317: Community Forums
318: Home
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Home
323: Downloads
324: Photo Gallery
325: Photo Gallery
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: News Archive
331: Community Forums
332: Home
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Home
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Member Screenshots
340: Photo Gallery
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Downloads
345: Downloads
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Downloads
350: Photo Gallery
351: Home
352: Home
353: Home
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Home
357: Community Forums
358: Home
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Home
363: Community Forums
364: Home
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Photo Gallery
369: Home
370: Community Forums
371: Photo Gallery
372: Home
373: Home
374: Community Forums
375: Home
376: Community Forums
377: Member Screenshots
378: Home
379: Home
380: Member Screenshots
381: Home
382: News
383: Home
384: Your Account
385: Community Forums
386: Home
387: Treasury
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Home
391: Community Forums
392: Photo Gallery
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Photo Gallery
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Home
399: Home
400: Home
401: Home
402: Home
403: News
404: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress
A forum dedicated for the discussion of all kinds of artillery topics.
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  Artillery Forum

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 4:04 pm
Post subject: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress

The artillery collection here kind of surprised me. I knew there was artillery, but I wasn't prepared to the amount and variety.

This is an Hungarian gun, same design as German 3.7 cm Pak, using 40 mm Bofors ammo


4 cm M40 by Massimo Foti, on Flickr
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 4:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress

Very rare german gun from WW II


5 cm Flak 41 by Massimo Foti, on Flickr
Back to top
View user's profile
Costas_TT
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 15, 2012
Posts: 387

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:47 pm
Post subject: Re: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress

Massimo, this is a 40mm Bofors with an unusual (user fitted) shield. Specifically, this is a Hungarian Bofors. The 5cm Flak fed from the left side and was generally very different. I will post links to more pictures, with and without the shields, soon.

_________________
1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.


Last edited by Costas_TT on Fri May 18, 2012 5:55 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Costas_TT
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 15, 2012
Posts: 387

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:50 pm
Post subject: Re: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress

worldwartwozone.com/fo...an-forces/ (scroll down to find it)

www.flamesofwar.com/ho...art_id=300

ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=6473

www.ww2incolor.com/hun...+1942.html


And now for the juicy part:
www.ww2incolor.com/mod...5_002.html

www.ww2incolor.com/mod...2_003.html

www.ww2incolor.com/mod...1_005.html

www.ww2incolor.com/mod...12004.html

www.ww2incolor.com/mod...12002.html

_________________
1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 8:51 pm
Post subject: Re: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress

Thanks for spotting this, I trusted the Museum blindly... I just looked around for the 5 cm Flak and I agree, it's a completely different beast!

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Costas_TT
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 15, 2012
Posts: 387

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 9:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress

You are most welcome. It is a very interesting modification to the piece and I'd never seen it before. I arrived at the conclusion of its Hungarian origin by a process of deduction, assuming it was a captured weapon from WW-II and Hungary was the nearest country with a significant number of Bofors guns. A quick Google search just confirmed the hunch.

_________________
1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 6:20 am
Post subject: Re: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress

There are other weapons of Hungarian origin over there too.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 9:36 am
Post subject: Re: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress


7.5 cm Gebirgsgeschutz 36 by Massimo Foti, on Flickr
Back to top
View user's profile
Costas_TT
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 15, 2012
Posts: 387

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 9:38 am
Post subject: Re: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress

- Massimo_Foti
There are other weapons of Hungarian origin over there too.

Massimo


So I noticed. Wink


_________________
1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 6:47 pm
Post subject: Re: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress

There is a great assortment of pack artillery. Here is a classic Skoda 75/13 from WW I:


7.5 cm Gebirgshaubitze M 15 by Massimo Foti, on Flickr
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 6:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress

After WW I Skoda added a longer barrel. This version was also used by Yugoslavian Army:


7.5 cm Gebirgshaubitze M 28 by Massimo Foti, on Flickr
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:28 am
Post subject: Re: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress

We have been talking about the Skoda 100 mm howitzer and its evolution in the past. This is the original WW I design, used by the Austro-Hungarian Army. After WW I many were captured by the Italian Army and used up to WW II. Additional guns were manufactured in Italy too, named 100/17:


10 cm Feldhaubitze M 14 by Massimo Foti, on Flickr
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:31 am
Post subject: Re: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress

After WW I, Skoda kept the same basic design with a longer barrel. This gun served, among others, in Poland and Yugoslavia. Relevant numbers were captured by the Germans and turned to the Italian Army, where they served as 100/22:


10 cm 14/19 Skoda by Massimo Foti, on Flickr
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:33 am
Post subject: Re: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress

It's worth noting that the 10 cm Skoda was available both as field and mountain howitzer. The mountain version can be splitted into three load and has smaller wheels (see the 14/19 above)

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:46 am
Post subject: Re: Belgrade. Kalemegdan Fortress

The original 10 cm evolved even more, once again with a longer barrel:


105mm Skoda D9 by Massimo Foti, on Flickr

At the end of 1930s Romanian Army ordered Skoda 10cm mountain howizers (factory designation 8, 100mm L/25, analog to field gun M1934). Because of German occupation, this order remained unfulfilled. As a compensation, Germans offered 105mm Skoda D9 howitzers (L/24) made for Afghanistan, from the captured Skoda stock; having not a better option (all Europe was artillery-hungry) Romanians accepted the deal; they became M1939 model.
The gun still spots Afghan markings.

Looking at this gun allowed me to finally identify another two pieces in Bucharest that are in front of the Museum over there and not too easily accessible:
www.flickr.com/photos/...4595717860

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  Artillery Forum
Page 1 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum