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Vicksburg MS, AFV collection
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 10:00 pm
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I was looking through some old issues of Wheels & Tracks recently when I noticed an article about an AFV collection near Vicksburg Mississippi at the Corps of Engineers Waterway Experimental Station. It showed some interesting vehicles such as M274 Mule, KID tractor, XM410E1, V3 Combat Test Vehicle, XM808, M116 Husky, M5A4 HST, M4 HST, M56 (T101) Scorpion, M114A1, M48 Patton, and others. It is issue 35 (1991), page 46, for those who also accumulate such things. I don't see this collection in the AFV Register, and am wondering if anyone out there happens to know the status of it? I looked for it on Google Maps, but, although the station is there, I cannot see any AFVs. The images of this location are not high enough resolution. Anyone?

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Vicksburg MS, AFV collection
I found their website and shot an email to the public affairs office.

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Vicksburg MS, AFV collection
M274 "Mule" interesting? That's the first time I've heard that said.

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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Vicksburg MS, AFV collection
I've made contact with the WES PAO. They still have a few vehicles, but most were given to museums or used as targets. He is going to catalog what they still have (and possibly take pictures) and get back to me.

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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Vicksburg MS, AFV collection
Thanks for doing the digital legwork on this Neil. I should have thought of the PAO angle myself. I await with interest to see what is left there. Judging from the pictures in W&T, they used to have a small but nice collection which included some rare vehicles.

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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Vicksburg MS, AFV collection
Alf, thanks fot the heads up. Would you mind scanning that article and sending it to me? The PAO is interested to see it. Thanks!

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 12:41 am Post subject: Re: Vicksburg MS, AFV collection
Bunch of AFVs in this area: binged.it/LoDmNb This looks like a gate guard: binged.it/LoEalk Wingy thingy: binged.it/LoEL6z Off topic, what do you guys think these things are? binged.it/LoFAMI And these? binged.it/KDfws0

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 5:21 am Post subject: Re: Vicksburg MS, AFV collection
About the last link, aren't these Hawk missile domes to protect them against the weather? nl.123rf.com/photo_100...rland.html regards Lesley

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 2:52 pm
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I don't think so. They look like they might be pressure vessels for building up large volumes of compressed air to allow it to be released for experimental purposes.

Remember the Corps of Engineers is responsible for flood control and navigation on the Mississippi and other inland waterways. That is a huge organization and with Vicksburg being along the Mississippi I think it is probably the primary purpose for most development at that site

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Vicksburg MS, AFV collection
They're not pressure vessels, definately an easily retractable cover for something.

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Vicksburg MS, AFV collection
- Dennis_Smith Bunch of AFVs in this area: binged.it/LoDmNb Dennis, Thanks - that is the display area from the article. It looks like the XM800W is still there for example. Neil

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Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 1:10 am
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Here are some current photos of the collection sent to me by the PAO.

According to the PAO most vehicles are in bad shape. Since 9-11 they don't do tours and the vehicles are no longer maintained. Many vehicles were surpluses and donated to museums.

First the "true" AFVs:

M48A1 Patton

M60A0

M113 "Hotrod" - "two Chrysler 440s yoked together that got 70+ mph, unofficial land speed record for tracked vehicle until M1 with no governors took the title"

M56 Scorpion

M116 Husky

XM800W ARSV chassis

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Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 1:16 am Post subject: Re: Vicksburg MS, AFV collection
Amphibious softskins - seems to me these would be a good fit at the Army Transportation Museum. XM759 Marginal Terrain Vehicle - the Camp Pendleton Marine Corps Mechanized Museum has one, another one is in storage at Quantico Lockheed Terra Star Marsh Screw Mexa-Clark Truck Riverine Utility Craft (assembled) Riverine Utility Craft (disassembled) "Candidate" PLS Truck Unknown - Help?

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Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 1:27 am Post subject: Re: Vicksburg MS, AFV collection
"Missing" vehicles previously identified in the 1991 Wheels & Tracks article: KID amphibious tractor M4 High Speed Tractor M5A4 High Speed Tractor M37 truck M114 M274 Mule Nodwell RN10 Polecat personnel carrier XM410 truck XM808 Twister V3 Combat Test Vehicle

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Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Vicksburg MS, AFV collection
Hi Neil. Your unknown is the experimental COE version of the AMG Heavy Hummer, known as the Hummer Truck. This one appears to be in the low bed configuration. (source: Squadron/Signal Hummer/Humvee in action) By the way, the PLS candidate above it, even with the GMC logo on the front, is basically a MAN. _________________ 1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.

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