±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 426
Total: 426
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Photo Gallery
03: Home
04: Member Screenshots
05: Photo Gallery
06: Member Screenshots
07: Home
08: Member Screenshots
09: Photo Gallery
10: Photo Gallery
11: Member Screenshots
12: Statistics
13: Photo Gallery
14: Statistics
15: Community Forums
16: Photo Gallery
17: Statistics
18: Member Screenshots
19: Downloads
20: Photo Gallery
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Home
24: Community Forums
25: Member Screenshots
26: Community Forums
27: Home
28: Community Forums
29: Photo Gallery
30: Photo Gallery
31: Photo Gallery
32: Photo Gallery
33: Photo Gallery
34: Photo Gallery
35: Downloads
36: Your Account
37: Member Screenshots
38: Community Forums
39: Member Screenshots
40: Community Forums
41: Member Screenshots
42: Downloads
43: Community Forums
44: Photo Gallery
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Member Screenshots
48: Member Screenshots
49: Photo Gallery
50: Community Forums
51: Downloads
52: Community Forums
53: Photo Gallery
54: Downloads
55: Photo Gallery
56: Downloads
57: Member Screenshots
58: Your Account
59: Community Forums
60: Member Screenshots
61: Photo Gallery
62: Photo Gallery
63: Community Forums
64: Downloads
65: Member Screenshots
66: Downloads
67: Downloads
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Member Screenshots
71: Home
72: Home
73: Photo Gallery
74: Member Screenshots
75: Member Screenshots
76: Downloads
77: Member Screenshots
78: Community Forums
79: Downloads
80: Photo Gallery
81: Home
82: Member Screenshots
83: Community Forums
84: Photo Gallery
85: Photo Gallery
86: Community Forums
87: Member Screenshots
88: Home
89: Downloads
90: Photo Gallery
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Home
95: Home
96: Member Screenshots
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Downloads
100: Downloads
101: Community Forums
102: Photo Gallery
103: Community Forums
104: Statistics
105: Community Forums
106: Home
107: Photo Gallery
108: Home
109: Photo Gallery
110: Member Screenshots
111: Community Forums
112: Downloads
113: Community Forums
114: Downloads
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Photo Gallery
118: Home
119: Photo Gallery
120: Photo Gallery
121: Downloads
122: Community Forums
123: Member Screenshots
124: Member Screenshots
125: Member Screenshots
126: Member Screenshots
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Photo Gallery
130: Photo Gallery
131: Community Forums
132: Photo Gallery
133: Photo Gallery
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Member Screenshots
137: Photo Gallery
138: Photo Gallery
139: Statistics
140: News Archive
141: Community Forums
142: Photo Gallery
143: Photo Gallery
144: Photo Gallery
145: Statistics
146: Member Screenshots
147: Downloads
148: Downloads
149: Community Forums
150: Photo Gallery
151: Downloads
152: Member Screenshots
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Photo Gallery
158: Downloads
159: Photo Gallery
160: Photo Gallery
161: Photo Gallery
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Downloads
165: Community Forums
166: Statistics
167: Member Screenshots
168: Member Screenshots
169: Photo Gallery
170: Community Forums
171: Photo Gallery
172: Community Forums
173: Photo Gallery
174: Downloads
175: Photo Gallery
176: Community Forums
177: Downloads
178: Community Forums
179: Photo Gallery
180: Downloads
181: Photo Gallery
182: Photo Gallery
183: Community Forums
184: Member Screenshots
185: Community Forums
186: News Archive
187: Downloads
188: Photo Gallery
189: Member Screenshots
190: Photo Gallery
191: Member Screenshots
192: Contact
193: Community Forums
194: Photo Gallery
195: Photo Gallery
196: Downloads
197: Statistics
198: Community Forums
199: Downloads
200: Member Screenshots
201: Community Forums
202: Statistics
203: Downloads
204: Home
205: Community Forums
206: Downloads
207: Community Forums
208: Photo Gallery
209: Community Forums
210: Photo Gallery
211: Photo Gallery
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Home
215: Downloads
216: Downloads
217: Downloads
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Downloads
221: Member Screenshots
222: Member Screenshots
223: News Archive
224: Community Forums
225: Photo Gallery
226: Downloads
227: Home
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Downloads
231: Photo Gallery
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Member Screenshots
235: Home
236: Community Forums
237: Member Screenshots
238: Photo Gallery
239: Member Screenshots
240: Home
241: Home
242: Community Forums
243: Photo Gallery
244: Member Screenshots
245: Photo Gallery
246: Member Screenshots
247: Photo Gallery
248: Downloads
249: Member Screenshots
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Photo Gallery
253: News
254: Community Forums
255: Photo Gallery
256: Photo Gallery
257: Your Account
258: Member Screenshots
259: Community Forums
260: Downloads
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Member Screenshots
264: Downloads
265: Member Screenshots
266: Home
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Member Screenshots
270: Community Forums
271: Member Screenshots
272: Photo Gallery
273: Photo Gallery
274: Member Screenshots
275: Member Screenshots
276: Downloads
277: News Archive
278: Photo Gallery
279: Home
280: Community Forums
281: Photo Gallery
282: Member Screenshots
283: Community Forums
284: News Archive
285: Photo Gallery
286: Community Forums
287: Member Screenshots
288: Photo Gallery
289: Photo Gallery
290: Home
291: Downloads
292: Home
293: Photo Gallery
294: Statistics
295: News Archive
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Member Screenshots
299: Home
300: Home
301: Downloads
302: Member Screenshots
303: Member Screenshots
304: News Archive
305: Downloads
306: Community Forums
307: Member Screenshots
308: Downloads
309: Community Forums
310: Home
311: Photo Gallery
312: Member Screenshots
313: Downloads
314: Community Forums
315: Statistics
316: Community Forums
317: Photo Gallery
318: Community Forums
319: Home
320: Downloads
321: Member Screenshots
322: Member Screenshots
323: Photo Gallery
324: Community Forums
325: Home
326: Member Screenshots
327: Photo Gallery
328: News Archive
329: Member Screenshots
330: Photo Gallery
331: Photo Gallery
332: Member Screenshots
333: Community Forums
334: News Archive
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Statistics
347: Home
348: Photo Gallery
349: Photo Gallery
350: Downloads
351: Home
352: Statistics
353: Downloads
354: Community Forums
355: Home
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Photo Gallery
371: Photo Gallery
372: Photo Gallery
373: Photo Gallery
374: Community Forums
375: Member Screenshots
376: Downloads
377: Community Forums
378: Member Screenshots
379: Home
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Member Screenshots
383: Photo Gallery
384: Statistics
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Member Screenshots
388: Home
389: Photo Gallery
390: Photo Gallery
391: Member Screenshots
392: Community Forums
393: Home
394: Home
395: Community Forums
396: Photo Gallery
397: Photo Gallery
398: Home
399: Community Forums
400: Member Screenshots
401: Home
402: Home
403: Home
404: Member Screenshots
405: Member Screenshots
406: Home
407: Home
408: Home
409: Home
410: Home
411: Home
412: Home
413: Member Screenshots
414: Home
415: Community Forums
416: Member Screenshots
417: Statistics
418: Home
419: Member Screenshots
420: Home
421: Community Forums
422: Home
423: Home
424: Home
425: Downloads
426: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Bastogne Barracks
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Walter
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 09, 2010
Posts: 618
Location: Arnhem
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 6:50 pm
Post subject: Bastogne Barracks

I was in Bastogne Barracks and saw this Cromwell in the workshop
According to P-O it is not yey documented in the PDF lists
Does anyone has more info about this one ?

Walter
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

What's the current status over there, is the collection open to the public on a regular basis?

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Walter
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 09, 2010
Posts: 618
Location: Arnhem
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

Open from Tuesday till Sunday
Guided tours only
departures 9 a.m - 10 a.m - 13 a.m and 14 a.m
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

Better than nothing, it's just that guided tours aren't good for taking pictures...
Do they have enough space around vehicles? How about light conditions?

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Walter
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 09, 2010
Posts: 618
Location: Arnhem
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 5:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

The space around the vehicles is reasonable
The light condition is not that good
It is one big Hall were your flash would disapear
Back to top
View user's profile
Costas_TT
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 15, 2012
Posts: 387

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 6:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

There's something very fishy about the turret ring of that Cromwell... I think the tank is essentially a Charioteer backdated to a Cromwell.

Note the bolt groups on the turret rings in these pics:
farm3.staticflickr.com/2110/2219393229_c28d9186f2_o.jpg

1.bp.blogspot.com/_yRN...rMaybe.JPG

military-vehicle-photo...m/5419.jpg

_________________
1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 7:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

- Costas_TT
There's something very fishy about the turret ring of that Cromwell... I think the tank is essentially a Charioteer backdated to a Cromwell.

Note the bolt groups on the turret rings in these pics:
farm3.staticflickr.com/2110/2219393229_c28d9186f2_o.jpg

1.bp.blogspot.com/_yRN...rMaybe.JPG

military-vehicle-photo...m/5419.jpg


Hello,

you may be right, but a Charioteer should have a welded armor plate over the BESA hull machinegun mount. I can see on Walter photos that the hull do have the machinegun munt, and no armor plate, so I'm not sure it is a former Charioteer...

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Costas_TT
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 15, 2012
Posts: 387

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

Maybe it was removed and the BESA refitted as part of the backdating process. The other possible alternative, a conversion of a Cromwell ARV seems unlikely, given the different configuration of the plating covering the turret opening. It wouldn't have the ring with the bolts.

If it turns out to be indeed a Charioteer, I'll hazard a guess as to its origin and go with Finland (a bunch of Charioteers were sold off recently) as the most likely source.

_________________
1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
ajmac
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Nov 14, 2011
Posts: 37

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:11 am
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

It must have been a charioteer, they had a larger diameter turret ring and it looks like this was a budget conversion, I just hope the turret is a replica and they didn't wreck an original! On hmvf you can follow a charioteer to Cromwell conversion using an original Cromwell Turret ring and turret, this too had an original besa mount installed when the welded plug / plate was removed.

_________________
Alastair McMurray
Lincoln, UK
..........
Loyd Carrier - Under Restoration
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

Hello Alastair,

glad to see you on this forum !!

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Costas_TT
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 15, 2012
Posts: 387

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

- ajmac
It must have been a charioteer, they had a larger diameter turret ring and it looks like this was a budget conversion, I just hope the turret is a replica and they didn't wreck an original! On hmvf you can follow a charioteer to Cromwell conversion using an original Cromwell Turret ring and turret, this too had an original besa mount installed when the welded plug / plate was removed.

So, there is a precedent for this. Thanks for confirming.

_________________
1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:45 am
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

Renault UE in Bastogne:
www.flickr.com/photos/...467793178/

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

this should answer the question :

"About 18 months ago, a Cromwell (Charioteer converted back) weekended outside my workshop, it was being transported to a museum at Bastogne if I recollect. Came from Norfolk way."

Richard Farrant, F.V. Restorations & Repairs - Specialising in Military Vehicles

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:53 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

two new Sherman tanks at Bastogne barracks, they were previously at Vissenaken :




P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum