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armyjunk2 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Sep 22, 2006 Posts: 1416

Anyone else notice that this is the same vehicle but in some of the pics it has road wheels and in some pics they're missing, This doesn't appear to be the vehicle that's at Kubinka, but I guess it could be. Maybe a end of the War repair job?

This pic it's missing the 6th road wheel

This pic appears to be missing maybe the 3rd and 6th road wheel and the track is off

JG300-Ascout · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Elephants

I confess to never having noticed the toothed sprockets front and rear before. Presumably these were not all driven and one set is an idler with teeth for "insurance"?

Costas_TT · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Feb 15, 2012 Posts: 387

From wiki:

What appears to be two sets of drive sprockets, at either end of the vehicle per side, actually comprises a front sprocket that engaged the track with a drum brake unit built into its hub to act as the track brake, with the electric drive motor at the rear on each side, powering the track's rear drive sprocket.

By the way, the lack of a hull MG and certain other features make this a Ferdinand.

Pzkpfw-e · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jul 21, 2010 Posts: 1202

The Russians captured numerous Elephants/Ferdinands.
grayknight.narod.ru/Fe...rsk_43.htm
The one pictured above, is Fgst.No.150090, late of the 1/s.Pz.Jg.Abt.653, number 122.
Kubinka's example is Fgst.No.15072, late 1/s.Pz.Jg.Abt.654 number 501.
Both examples are shown in the grayknight link.

Koluchiy · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: May 19, 2009 Posts: 178

This is a Ferdinand.

vehicle that's at Kubinka, but I guess it could be

Wow! If so, the repair job is outstanding! Laughing

Kubinka' Ferdinand looks too nice to be the vehicle on the photos.

but in some of the pics it has road wheels and in some pics they're missing
...
Maybe a end of the War repair job?

Vise versa.
First, it was in relatively good condition... But Russians take it to the firing range. So it became little more damaged (some additional holes appeared, some changes:) to the construction of the suspension also were made). After that it was pulled to the exhibition. During this process it was continued to be damaged - pulling is not good for damaged vehicles.
After that it was moved several times at the exhibition - the exhibition was significantly increased from 1943 to 1945 :).
During this processes it was continued to suffer damages - first, the 6th road wheel had flyed out, than the track link were broken and the 3rd wheel was lost.
In 1948, this Ferd was turned into the metal for Russia.

Taranov · Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Elephants

In Kubinka preserved Ferdinand Fahrgestell Nr. 150072 from s. Pz. Jäg. Abt. 654, deck number 501. This vehicle never was on the trophy exposition.

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