Skip to main Skip to content Skip to menu

Com-Central.net

`±`Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

`±`User Info-big

Welcome Anonymous

Membership:

Latest: HighestAce

New Today: 0

New Yesterday: 0

Overall: 6648

People Online:

Members: 0

Visitors: 3754

Total: 3754

Who Is Where:

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!

Forum FAQ

Moderators

ID Help
A forum dedicated for the discussion of all kinds of artillery topics.

Forum Index › Artillery Forum

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author

Message

vagabond
Power User

Offline
Joined: Dec 05, 2009
Posts: 1388
Location: Constantly moving across US

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:52 am Post subject: ID Help
Hello All, Found these 2 pieces in Marietta, OH. What are they? Thanks! Cheers! VB

JiriTintera
Power User

Offline
Joined: Jun 21, 2007
Posts: 218
Location: Prague, Czech Republic

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:43 am Post subject: Re: ID Help
Dear Colleague, I assume that this is a Japanese 105mm howitzer type 91. Certainty eight out of ten. P. S. A similar appearance has howitzer Schneider. Photo source: War Memorials of Menasha & Neenah, Wisconsin warmemorials.us/artill...105mm.html

Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: ID Help
Great catch Jiri! There was something familiar with this pieces, but I failed to recognize it. Now I realized there are similarities with the italian 105/28 mod. 1913, since they are both based on a Schneider design. Massimo

CharlieC
Power User

Offline
Joined: Oct 24, 2012
Posts: 58

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:27 pm
Post subject: Re: ID Help

The French Canon de 105 L Schneider Mle 1913 TR, Italian Cannone 105/28 and Russian 107mm M1910 are variations on the same gun design by Schneider. (http://landships.info/landships/artillery_articles.html?load=/landships/artillery_articles/Schneider_105L_M1913.html).
The Schneider 105mm had a S-curved gun shield which wrapped around in front of the wheels - none of the guns above have this. Also the Schneider had a box trail unlike the split trail of the Marietta guns.

An image of the breech markings of the guns at Marietta would solve this in seconds.

Regards,

Charlie

_________________
landships.info

Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: ID Help
From what I can see, they should be japanese type 91. But I am not familiar with japanese artillery. Don't you think they are type 91 charlie? Massimo

JG300-Ascout
Power User

Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 6258
Location: Cyberspace

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: ID Help
All I can offer is that compared to the other two pieces, I'd say those Ohioans need to get their butts out there and give those guns some TLC. If they can keep one looking like that in Wisconsin, then Ohio has no excuse! _________________ "All facts go to clearly prove that Shades is a thrice-cursed traitor & mentally deranged person steeped in inveterate enmity toward mankind"

armyjunk2
Power User

Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: ID Help
Marietta, OH also has a Japanese 75mm Type 38 downtown at the Armory.

vagabond
Power User

Offline
Joined: Dec 05, 2009
Posts: 1388
Location: Constantly moving across US

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: ID Help
Hi All - Thanks for all the info!! More photos to clinch the ID Breech detail Cannon 1 Close up - Now I can see the Japanese characters Breech Detail Cannon 2 Cannon 2 close up So these are a pair of Japanese 105mm Type 91 - correct?

CharlieC
Power User

Offline
Joined: Oct 24, 2012
Posts: 58

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:19 pm
Post subject: Re: ID Help

Without an image of the breech markings one can't be certain but they look like Japanese Type 91 howitzers.

Edit: crossed post - definitely Japanese the number 1029 is flanked by Kanji characters. I'll try to get a translation of these. If it's a Type 91 there should be two lines of Kanji script just in front of the breech block on the top of the barrel.

It's probably worth a bit of research on the 105mm Schneider design - I've read that the Polish Army had 105mm Schneiders with split trails like the Type 91 called the Wz.29 - I don't know if that was a Schneider or Polish design.

Which Type 38 do they have at Marietta? - there were two types. The early one is a licence built Krupp 75mm export gun. The Type 38 Kai was extensively rebuilt with a box trail, equilibrators and rear positioned trunnions.

Regards,

Charlie

_________________
landships.info

armyjunk2
Power User

Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: ID Help
the first 2 are Japanese Type 91 howitzers. and this is the Type38

CharlieC
Power User

Offline
Joined: Oct 24, 2012
Posts: 58

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:20 am
Post subject: Re: ID Help

Definitely a Type 38 - the simple trail and lack of equilibrators is pretty diagnostic. The gun number and build date are on an oval brass plate on top of the breech block. The script on the breech ring says something like "Type 38 field gun" at the top and "Manufactured at Osaka Arsenal" at the bottom. I can translate the markings if you can get images of them.

Regards,

Charlie

_________________
landships.info

CharlieC
Power User

Offline
Joined: Oct 24, 2012
Posts: 58

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:48 am Post subject: Re: ID Help
The Kanji characters on the rear of the breech are the labels for the trigger assembly position (see attached). Regards, Charlie _________________ landships.info

vagabond
Power User

Offline
Joined: Dec 05, 2009
Posts: 1388
Location: Constantly moving across US

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:15 am Post subject: Re: ID Help
How Cool!!! Thanks everyone for the education and info! Cheers, VB

armyjunk2
Power User

Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: ID Help
Here is a pic of a Schneider 105mm captured from the Japanese. This is a Schneider not the Japanese copy.

Forum Index › Artillery Forum
Page 1 of 1

All times are GMT - 6 Hours

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Com-Central.net

Select Language

Login

`±`Recent Visitors

`±`User Info-big

Com-Central.net

Select Language

Login

±Recent Visitors

±User Info-big

`±`Recent Visitors

`±`User Info-big