±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 911
Total: 911
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: Photo Gallery
08: Photo Gallery
09: Photo Gallery
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Member Screenshots
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Member Screenshots
21: Community Forums
22: Photo Gallery
23: Downloads
24: Member Screenshots
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Photo Gallery
32: Community Forums
33: Downloads
34: Your Account
35: Home
36: Downloads
37: Photo Gallery
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Member Screenshots
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Home
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Photo Gallery
59: Member Screenshots
60: Member Screenshots
61: Photo Gallery
62: Downloads
63: Community Forums
64: News Archive
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Photo Gallery
72: Member Screenshots
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Downloads
76: Home
77: Member Screenshots
78: Community Forums
79: Photo Gallery
80: Community Forums
81: Photo Gallery
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Member Screenshots
85: Community Forums
86: Member Screenshots
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Home
98: Member Screenshots
99: Home
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Downloads
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Photo Gallery
109: Home
110: Community Forums
111: News Archive
112: Community Forums
113: Photo Gallery
114: Community Forums
115: Downloads
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Home
119: Your Account
120: News Archive
121: Member Screenshots
122: Photo Gallery
123: Photo Gallery
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Downloads
128: Member Screenshots
129: Home
130: Community Forums
131: Photo Gallery
132: Home
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Photo Gallery
137: Home
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Home
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Member Screenshots
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Home
149: Community Forums
150: Photo Gallery
151: Downloads
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Photo Gallery
157: Member Screenshots
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Home
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Your Account
168: Community Forums
169: Photo Gallery
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Photo Gallery
174: Home
175: Statistics
176: Photo Gallery
177: Community Forums
178: Home
179: Community Forums
180: Photo Gallery
181: Photo Gallery
182: Home
183: Photo Gallery
184: News
185: Home
186: Community Forums
187: Photo Gallery
188: Home
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Photo Gallery
192: Home
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Photo Gallery
197: Photo Gallery
198: Home
199: Photo Gallery
200: Community Forums
201: Photo Gallery
202: Community Forums
203: Photo Gallery
204: Community Forums
205: Photo Gallery
206: Photo Gallery
207: Community Forums
208: Photo Gallery
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Photo Gallery
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Photo Gallery
220: News Archive
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Home
225: Member Screenshots
226: Community Forums
227: Downloads
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Photo Gallery
232: Community Forums
233: Member Screenshots
234: Community Forums
235: Home
236: Photo Gallery
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Home
241: Community Forums
242: Home
243: Photo Gallery
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Member Screenshots
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Home
250: News Archive
251: Photo Gallery
252: Photo Gallery
253: Community Forums
254: Downloads
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Home
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Home
265: Community Forums
266: Member Screenshots
267: Community Forums
268: Member Screenshots
269: Community Forums
270: Photo Gallery
271: Community Forums
272: Photo Gallery
273: Community Forums
274: Photo Gallery
275: Community Forums
276: Photo Gallery
277: Your Account
278: Photo Gallery
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Home
282: Home
283: Photo Gallery
284: Home
285: Photo Gallery
286: Home
287: Home
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Home
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Member Screenshots
297: Home
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Home
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Photo Gallery
306: Community Forums
307: Photo Gallery
308: Community Forums
309: Home
310: Downloads
311: Community Forums
312: Home
313: Home
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Home
318: Downloads
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Member Screenshots
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Downloads
326: Home
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Home
330: Community Forums
331: Member Screenshots
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Photo Gallery
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Member Screenshots
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Photo Gallery
348: Community Forums
349: Downloads
350: Downloads
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Home
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Member Screenshots
358: Photo Gallery
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Downloads
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Member Screenshots
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Downloads
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Community Forums
373: Member Screenshots
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: News
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Member Screenshots
380: Downloads
381: Community Forums
382: Member Screenshots
383: Community Forums
384: Photo Gallery
385: Community Forums
386: Home
387: Downloads
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Member Screenshots
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Photo Gallery
394: Community Forums
395: Member Screenshots
396: Community Forums
397: Photo Gallery
398: Community Forums
399: Photo Gallery
400: Home
401: Downloads
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Photo Gallery
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Home
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Photo Gallery
414: Community Forums
415: Member Screenshots
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Photo Gallery
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Photo Gallery
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Member Screenshots
427: Community Forums
428: Member Screenshots
429: Photo Gallery
430: News
431: Photo Gallery
432: Community Forums
433: Downloads
434: Community Forums
435: Photo Gallery
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Photo Gallery
442: Community Forums
443: Member Screenshots
444: Community Forums
445: Home
446: Your Account
447: Community Forums
448: Member Screenshots
449: Downloads
450: Member Screenshots
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Statistics
459: Member Screenshots
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Downloads
463: Downloads
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Photo Gallery
477: Member Screenshots
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Photo Gallery
482: Downloads
483: Downloads
484: Photo Gallery
485: Community Forums
486: Member Screenshots
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Member Screenshots
497: Member Screenshots
498: Community Forums
499: Photo Gallery
500: Photo Gallery
501: Community Forums
502: Home
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Photo Gallery
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Downloads
513: Community Forums
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Downloads
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Downloads
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Community Forums
528: Member Screenshots
529: Community Forums
530: Home
531: Member Screenshots
532: Photo Gallery
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Downloads
536: Downloads
537: Community Forums
538: Downloads
539: News Archive
540: Home
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Downloads
544: Community Forums
545: Home
546: Downloads
547: Home
548: Home
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: News Archive
552: Photo Gallery
553: Photo Gallery
554: Photo Gallery
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Community Forums
559: Home
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: Your Account
566: Home
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: Member Screenshots
571: Home
572: Community Forums
573: Home
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Community Forums
577: Home
578: Community Forums
579: Photo Gallery
580: Home
581: Home
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Photo Gallery
588: Community Forums
589: Home
590: Home
591: Community Forums
592: Community Forums
593: Photo Gallery
594: Statistics
595: Community Forums
596: Community Forums
597: Home
598: Community Forums
599: Treasury
600: Community Forums
601: Community Forums
602: Home
603: Community Forums
604: Photo Gallery
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: Home
608: Home
609: Photo Gallery
610: Community Forums
611: Photo Gallery
612: Downloads
613: Photo Gallery
614: Community Forums
615: Home
616: Community Forums
617: Home
618: Home
619: Photo Gallery
620: Community Forums
621: Community Forums
622: Community Forums
623: Home
624: Community Forums
625: Community Forums
626: Community Forums
627: Community Forums
628: Community Forums
629: Community Forums
630: Photo Gallery
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Home
635: Downloads
636: Community Forums
637: Photo Gallery
638: Community Forums
639: Community Forums
640: Community Forums
641: Photo Gallery
642: Member Screenshots
643: Downloads
644: Photo Gallery
645: Home
646: Home
647: Community Forums
648: Home
649: Community Forums
650: Photo Gallery
651: Home
652: Community Forums
653: Community Forums
654: Community Forums
655: News Archive
656: Community Forums
657: Home
658: Community Forums
659: Home
660: Community Forums
661: Community Forums
662: Community Forums
663: Home
664: News Archive
665: Community Forums
666: Community Forums
667: Photo Gallery
668: Community Forums
669: Community Forums
670: Home
671: Community Forums
672: Community Forums
673: Member Screenshots
674: Photo Gallery
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Your Account
678: Community Forums
679: Community Forums
680: Downloads
681: Member Screenshots
682: Community Forums
683: Search
684: Community Forums
685: Member Screenshots
686: Member Screenshots
687: Photo Gallery
688: Community Forums
689: Photo Gallery
690: Photo Gallery
691: Home
692: Community Forums
693: Community Forums
694: Community Forums
695: Home
696: Photo Gallery
697: Community Forums
698: Home
699: Community Forums
700: Photo Gallery
701: Community Forums
702: Home
703: Community Forums
704: Community Forums
705: Photo Gallery
706: Home
707: Community Forums
708: Photo Gallery
709: Community Forums
710: Community Forums
711: Your Account
712: Community Forums
713: Community Forums
714: Community Forums
715: Community Forums
716: Community Forums
717: Home
718: Community Forums
719: Downloads
720: Community Forums
721: Community Forums
722: Community Forums
723: Photo Gallery
724: Home
725: Your Account
726: Home
727: Photo Gallery
728: Home
729: Home
730: Member Screenshots
731: Community Forums
732: Community Forums
733: Community Forums
734: Community Forums
735: Community Forums
736: Photo Gallery
737: Community Forums
738: Photo Gallery
739: Community Forums
740: Downloads
741: Home
742: Community Forums
743: Home
744: Community Forums
745: Home
746: Community Forums
747: Home
748: Home
749: Home
750: Community Forums
751: Community Forums
752: Home
753: Home
754: Community Forums
755: Community Forums
756: Community Forums
757: Photo Gallery
758: Community Forums
759: Community Forums
760: Photo Gallery
761: Community Forums
762: Member Screenshots
763: Photo Gallery
764: Community Forums
765: Member Screenshots
766: Community Forums
767: Member Screenshots
768: Community Forums
769: News Archive
770: Community Forums
771: Community Forums
772: Photo Gallery
773: Statistics
774: Community Forums
775: Member Screenshots
776: Community Forums
777: Community Forums
778: Community Forums
779: Community Forums
780: Community Forums
781: Community Forums
782: Community Forums
783: Community Forums
784: Community Forums
785: Member Screenshots
786: Community Forums
787: Community Forums
788: News Archive
789: Community Forums
790: Community Forums
791: Downloads
792: News Archive
793: Community Forums
794: Photo Gallery
795: Photo Gallery
796: News Archive
797: Photo Gallery
798: Community Forums
799: Community Forums
800: Photo Gallery
801: Member Screenshots
802: Community Forums
803: Home
804: Community Forums
805: Member Screenshots
806: Community Forums
807: Home
808: Community Forums
809: Community Forums
810: Community Forums
811: Member Screenshots
812: Community Forums
813: Community Forums
814: Community Forums
815: Community Forums
816: Community Forums
817: News
818: Downloads
819: Member Screenshots
820: Community Forums
821: Community Forums
822: Community Forums
823: Community Forums
824: Community Forums
825: Photo Gallery
826: Member Screenshots
827: Member Screenshots
828: Photo Gallery
829: Community Forums
830: Community Forums
831: Community Forums
832: Community Forums
833: Photo Gallery
834: Downloads
835: Photo Gallery
836: Photo Gallery
837: Community Forums
838: Photo Gallery
839: Downloads
840: Community Forums
841: Community Forums
842: Community Forums
843: Community Forums
844: Community Forums
845: Home
846: Community Forums
847: Community Forums
848: Photo Gallery
849: Member Screenshots
850: Community Forums
851: Community Forums
852: Community Forums
853: Community Forums
854: Community Forums
855: Community Forums
856: Member Screenshots
857: Home
858: Community Forums
859: Downloads
860: Member Screenshots
861: Community Forums
862: Photo Gallery
863: Community Forums
864: Community Forums
865: Community Forums
866: Member Screenshots
867: Member Screenshots
868: Photo Gallery
869: Photo Gallery
870: Community Forums
871: Community Forums
872: Community Forums
873: Community Forums
874: Community Forums
875: Community Forums
876: Community Forums
877: Community Forums
878: Community Forums
879: Photo Gallery
880: Community Forums
881: Community Forums
882: Community Forums
883: Photo Gallery
884: Community Forums
885: Home
886: Member Screenshots
887: Home
888: Photo Gallery
889: Member Screenshots
890: Community Forums
891: Community Forums
892: Community Forums
893: Photo Gallery
894: Community Forums
895: Community Forums
896: Community Forums
897: Photo Gallery
898: Community Forums
899: Downloads
900: Community Forums
901: Community Forums
902: Downloads
903: Community Forums
904: Downloads
905: Community Forums
906: Community Forums
907: Community Forums
908: Photo Gallery
909: Community Forums
910: Community Forums
911: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
US Army Shermans in Normandy
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
ajmac
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Nov 14, 2011
Posts: 37

PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:11 pm
Post subject: US Army Shermans in Normandy

I have seen hundreds of photos of British and Canadian Shermans in Normandy but not too much info on the types used by the US army before Cobra began. As the 76mm M4A1s were left in England, at least initially, what was the prime US Sherman from D-Day until the Breakout? From the photos that I have seen I presume M4s and M4A1 75mm types, would there have been any M4A3 initially or did those only arrive at large hatch versions after the start of Cobra?

_________________
Alastair McMurray
Lincoln, UK
..........
Loyd Carrier - Under Restoration
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:54 pm
Post subject: Re: US Army Shermans in Normandy

Alastair,

the M4A3 76mm arrived later, I would say that the first US units got them in August 1944 (the book "Son of Sherman" states that "the first of the new M4A3s arrived in the ETO during the summer of 1944"). I know that some units of the French 2nd Armored Division received theirs in August 1944. There was no use of Ford small hatch M4A3(75) tanks in Normandy, so before Cobra there were only M4(75) and M4A1(75) tanks in the US Army.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
claude_GILLONO
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 80

PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:49 am
Post subject: Re: US Army Shermans in Normandy

There were also M4 105mm Assault Guns (the Large Hatch M4 with the 105mm howitzer) - the M4A3 variant also arrived later.
HTH
Back to top
View user's profile
binder001
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 363

PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:59 pm
Post subject: Re: US Army Shermans in Normandy

All the US armored units - divisional or non-divisional went to Normandy with a mix of M4 and/or M4A1 medium tanks. Some units had received M4 s with 105mm howitzers before moving to the Continent, others received them in France. There were a few M4s with the late-DTA hull (aka "composite hull"). Many of those show up in photos of the 6th Armore Division about the time of the breakout and drive into Brittany and across France. The standard light tank for US forces was the M5A1. The M4A3 type came later in the summer/fall. The M4A3 76mm went into use circa 8/44 (reportedly a couple were first issued to the French 2eme DB), the 75mm version came slightly later, then the 105mm howitzer type, then the M4A3E2 later in the fall. The planners for Overlord standardized on the M4/M4A1 to facilitate logistics.

It is my opinion, from studying photos that the armored divisions and tank battalions arriving in Europe in the summer were totally equipped with radial engined M4/M4A1s - 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th Armored Divisions. The units that landed in the fall seem to have all, or at least a high proportion, of M4A3s; 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th. The 1945 arrivals (8th, 13th, 16th, 20th) came entirely with later model M4A3s.

Of course, once a unit had been in combat for a while they took whatever replacemnt vehicles were available (the US Army had a medium tank shortage in the ETO until well into 1945).
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:16 pm
Post subject: Re: US Army Shermans in Normandy

- claude_GILLONO
There were also M4 105mm Assault Guns (the Large Hatch M4 with the 105mm howitzer) - the M4A3 variant also arrived later.
HTH


you're right Claude, M4(105) tanks showed up in Normandy in July 1944, so possibly just before Cobra.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
ajmac
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Nov 14, 2011
Posts: 37

PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:18 pm
Post subject: Re: US Army Shermans in Normandy

Thanks to all

_________________
Alastair McMurray
Lincoln, UK
..........
Loyd Carrier - Under Restoration
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum