±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 318
Total: 318
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Member Screenshots
11: Community Forums
12: Home
13: Home
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Home
18: Photo Gallery
19: Home
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Home
23: Home
24: Home
25: Home
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Home
33: Community Forums
34: Photo Gallery
35: Home
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Home
39: Home
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Member Screenshots
43: Photo Gallery
44: Community Forums
45: Photo Gallery
46: Your Account
47: Home
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Photo Gallery
54: Home
55: Home
56: Community Forums
57: Home
58: Statistics
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Downloads
62: Community Forums
63: Downloads
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Home
68: Community Forums
69: Photo Gallery
70: Community Forums
71: Home
72: Home
73: Home
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Home
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Home
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Home
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Home
88: Community Forums
89: Home
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Home
93: Community Forums
94: Home
95: Home
96: Home
97: Photo Gallery
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Home
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Member Screenshots
107: Member Screenshots
108: Home
109: Community Forums
110: Home
111: Member Screenshots
112: Home
113: Home
114: News Archive
115: Downloads
116: Member Screenshots
117: Home
118: Home
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Community Forums
122: Home
123: Home
124: Community Forums
125: Photo Gallery
126: News Archive
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Home
131: Community Forums
132: Photo Gallery
133: Home
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Home
142: Home
143: Community Forums
144: Home
145: Photo Gallery
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Photo Gallery
149: Community Forums
150: Home
151: Community Forums
152: Home
153: Community Forums
154: Downloads
155: Community Forums
156: Home
157: Downloads
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Home
161: Photo Gallery
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Home
166: Home
167: Home
168: Home
169: Home
170: Home
171: Community Forums
172: Home
173: News Archive
174: News Archive
175: Community Forums
176: News Archive
177: Home
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Your Account
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Photo Gallery
184: Community Forums
185: Home
186: Home
187: Home
188: Home
189: Home
190: Home
191: News
192: Home
193: Photo Gallery
194: Home
195: Home
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: News
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Home
203: Home
204: Home
205: Community Forums
206: Home
207: Community Forums
208: Home
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Home
212: Home
213: Community Forums
214: Home
215: Community Forums
216: Home
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Photo Gallery
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Downloads
223: Community Forums
224: Home
225: Downloads
226: Downloads
227: Community Forums
228: Home
229: Home
230: News Archive
231: News
232: Photo Gallery
233: Home
234: Home
235: Home
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Home
239: Home
240: Community Forums
241: Home
242: Home
243: Home
244: Home
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Home
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Photo Gallery
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Home
256: Home
257: Home
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Home
261: Home
262: Community Forums
263: Home
264: Home
265: Home
266: Home
267: Downloads
268: Home
269: Home
270: Home
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Home
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Home
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Home
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Photo Gallery
287: Home
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Home
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Tell a Friend
295: Home
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Home
300: Community Forums
301: Photo Gallery
302: Photo Gallery
303: Home
304: Home
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Home
309: Community Forums
310: Member Screenshots
311: Photo Gallery
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Photo Gallery
316: Photo Gallery
317: Community Forums
318: Statistics

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
M48 vs M60
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
JeffStringer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 637

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:58 pm
Post subject: M48 vs M60

What is the most visible difference between the M48 tank and the M60 tank with the M48 turret?

Thanks in advance!
Back to top
View user's profile
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:36 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 vs M60

Ok, I might be wrong but for me, the M48 has 5 return support rollers while the M60 has 3. Secondly and probably even more noticable is the front of the hull. The M48 has a rounded nose while the M60 has a straight, sharper edge to it between the fenders. Those would be the two things I would look for. The real experts will probably list a lot more items to distinguish the two apart.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Tanklord
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 817
Location: Louisiana
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:38 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 vs M60

The front of the hull is the easiest way if they both have the M48-M60 Slick style turrets.

M-48 hull front is rounded, sort of boat shaped.
M-60 hull is straight across, and bottom and top halfs come to a sharp edge.

HTH Smile

_________________
The only thing to do when a son-of-a-bitch looks
cross-eyed at you is to beat the hell out of him right
then and there
Back to top
View user's profile Yahoo Messenger
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:47 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 vs M60

The biggest question is which version of the M48 vs which version of the M60??

That could qualify as many as 8 tanks.

Here is a frontal of an M48A1. I'm searching for several other versions of M48 that I know I have floating around.

As for M60, Joe D seems to have a good 'corner' on that one...



Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
mike_Duplessis
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 236

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:52 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 vs M60

Interestingly, the M60 bow ha a flat face because it was originally planned to include a kind of fiberglass sandwich armor. But the cost was too high so they opted for standard solid steel... BUT the Soviet T64 turned up eventually sporting - you guessed it - fiberglass sandwich armor bow! My my, whotta coincidence!

Another visual difference between M48 and M60 are the cast aluminum roadwheels nstead of steel on the M48. The M60 cast wheels are distinguished by reinforcing ribs running around the outside bead. Pretty late in M60's career they reverted back to steel wheels again.
Back to top
View user's profile
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:08 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 vs M60

[img][/img][img][/img]
In these shots of the Fort Irwin M48 and M60A3, you can see the difference in the return rollers, and the front leading edge of the hulls.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:28 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 vs M60

The only thing you can really count on is the shape of the hull, for all the reasons listed by the 'Weed. At a glance, if it isn't the A5, the gun is the quick way...unless it's been upgunned, as was often done (Israelis, too).

I musta' been one of the last AIT classes to train on the M48 in 1971...I've always wondered when that switched over....


Last edited by Doug_Kibbey on Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:39 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
JeffStringer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 637

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:37 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 vs M60

Aaahhhh, thanks everyone!


I know a little here and there, but it's never too late to learn a few more things! Smile
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:41 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 vs M60

Headlight shrouds...forgot the headlight shrouds (and these might be the same on the A5...gotta' check).
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
jcneel
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 101
Location: Victoria, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:42 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 vs M60

Actually the turret for the early M60 (A-nuthin') is slightly different than the M48 turrets. The back end of the turret is more squared off than is the M48 turrets. Below is a picture of the AEF M60 early turret conversion as compared to the Academy M48A5 turret. The differences check out when looking in Hunnicut's Patton book (a great reference if you can get one).

Looks like the other main differences have been addressed by the others already...




hth

Chris Neel
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:51 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 vs M60

Hi Folks!

One more item that helps, no matter which direction the point of view is from as long as it can be seen.

The TC's cupola!
All the 48 cupolas are much smaller and mounted a M2HB machine gun.
All the 60 cupolas are much bigger and mounted the M85 machine gun.

Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.


Last edited by Roy_A_Lingle on Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:31 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:58 pm
Post subject: Re: M48 vs M60

- Roy_A_Lingle
Hi Folks!

All the 48 cupolas are much smaller and mounted a M2HB machine gun.
All the 60 cupolas are much bigger and mounted the M85 machine gun.

Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out!


...and both were next to useless.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2068
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:57 am
Post subject: Re: M48 vs M60

That’s was a really good question,
What really throws a wrench in the works is the ability to interchange the turret between the two. BDAR manuals at the time outlined the ability to do just that. The rings diameters were the same. There are 48’s with 60 turrets and 60’s with 48 turrets. They are mostly Non-US models. Taiwan has put modified 48 turrets (LRF/STAB/Thermal) on surplus 60 hulls they got from the US. I think they call them CM-11’s. Get's very confusing. As far as US models here are the simple ways I tell the difference, all are 90mm except A4/A5.

M48, Open cupola, 5 support rollers, gas powered with exhaust center deck, small drivers hatch.
M48A1, M1 closed cupola with M2 TT .50cal, same deck/gas, 5 support rollers, large drivers hatch.
M48A2, Same cupola, new low IR deck with rear grills, gas powered, 3 support rollers.
M48A2C, Same as above but has newer Fire Control system. Longer bore evacuator.
M48A3, Rebuilt 48/48A1, has new IR deck, turret same as A2C, uses M60 components, Diesel engine, also has air cleaner boxes like the M60. 5 support rollers. Some have vision block ring installed between M1 cupola and turret. The prototype of this used an A2 model so it had 3 support rollers.
M48A4, Experiment, Used old straight 60/105mm turrets left over from A2 production. Has the same hull as A3. Cupola is the M19 with M85 .50 cal. Project cancelled.
M48A5, M48A3 up gunned with M68 105 cannon. All I’ve ever seen had low profile cupolas (Israeli?).

They also took an M60 and mounted an M48A5 turret to it. I believe Fort Knox has it. Then you have the oddities created for hard targets. The idea is if it fits, put it together. I’ve seen M60A2 turrets on 48A1 hulls. None of these creations were operational, just an easy way to make targets.

Difference’s between 48 and straight 60 turret.

M60 has M19 cupola with M85 MG. It’s much bigger.
M60 has rear stowage mount for M2 .50 cal.
M60 turret has a more squared right rear. (Like models shown)
M60 base for cupola is larger, sits higher and has a slot cut at the 3 and 6 o’clock position.

Please chime if there’s anything to add or correct, I don’t have my references. My rule of thumb is the hull determines the tank, boat shape front = M48, Flat M60. But that's me.

Hope this helps. Thanks for the vote of confidence Dontos and Doug, I still liked my M85, lot's of places to store pogey bait in the ammo box.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
JeffStringer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 637

PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:04 am
Post subject: Re: M48 vs M60

WOW! I guess there really aren't any stupid questions!


Thanks guys ... I can now consider myself well informed!
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:08 am
Post subject: Re: M48 vs M60

Joe

I knew you'd be up to it. Two things:

M60 hull with M48 turret is in fact in the collection. Damn thing looks brand new. It is a prototype M60.

M48 chassis mounted with M60A2 turret is up on Zussman Range (MOUT site). I've seen it a number of times. The turret has some remote operability when the full system is used for a training unit. Its between the 'school' and the water tower.

Isn't there an tension adjusting arm w/roller between the last roadwheel and the sproket? (M48A?)

Lifelong 'Jedi-tanker' (Abrams tanker Cool ) I never played with the 'dinosaur M60' except here with the Museum. Razz

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum