±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 293
Total: 293
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Home
05: Home
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Statistics
09: Home
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Home
13: Home
14: Downloads
15: Home
16: Downloads
17: Member Screenshots
18: Downloads
19: Home
20: Community Forums
21: Home
22: Home
23: Home
24: Home
25: Community Forums
26: Home
27: Downloads
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: Downloads
31: Photo Gallery
32: Community Forums
33: Member Screenshots
34: Member Screenshots
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Downloads
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Home
43: Home
44: Home
45: Downloads
46: Community Forums
47: Home
48: Community Forums
49: Downloads
50: Community Forums
51: Home
52: Home
53: Community Forums
54: Supporters
55: Member Screenshots
56: Downloads
57: Member Screenshots
58: Member Screenshots
59: Your Account
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Member Screenshots
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Home
69: Home
70: Community Forums
71: Downloads
72: Home
73: Downloads
74: Community Forums
75: Home
76: Home
77: Home
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Photo Gallery
82: Member Screenshots
83: Community Forums
84: Photo Gallery
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Community Forums
88: Home
89: Photo Gallery
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: News
94: Home
95: News Archive
96: Home
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Downloads
101: Community Forums
102: Member Screenshots
103: Downloads
104: Statistics
105: Community Forums
106: News
107: Home
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Member Screenshots
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Home
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Home
122: Home
123: Your Account
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Member Screenshots
131: Community Forums
132: Home
133: Member Screenshots
134: Home
135: Home
136: Community Forums
137: Home
138: Community Forums
139: Home
140: Home
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Member Screenshots
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Home
149: Member Screenshots
150: Community Forums
151: Downloads
152: Home
153: Home
154: Photo Gallery
155: Home
156: Home
157: Home
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Downloads
161: Home
162: Home
163: Home
164: Community Forums
165: Home
166: Home
167: Home
168: Home
169: Home
170: Home
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Home
175: Community Forums
176: Home
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Home
181: Member Screenshots
182: Home
183: Community Forums
184: Home
185: News
186: Home
187: Your Account
188: Home
189: Home
190: Home
191: Home
192: Home
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Home
197: Community Forums
198: Home
199: Home
200: Home
201: Home
202: Community Forums
203: Home
204: Home
205: Community Forums
206: Home
207: Home
208: Home
209: Home
210: Home
211: Home
212: News
213: Community Forums
214: Home
215: Photo Gallery
216: Home
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Home
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Home
224: Home
225: Home
226: Home
227: Home
228: Your Account
229: Community Forums
230: Home
231: Community Forums
232: Downloads
233: Community Forums
234: Home
235: Home
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Your Account
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Home
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Home
249: Home
250: Home
251: Home
252: Member Screenshots
253: Community Forums
254: Member Screenshots
255: Home
256: Home
257: Home
258: Community Forums
259: Home
260: Home
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Downloads
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: News
272: Home
273: Home
274: Member Screenshots
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Home
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: News
282: Downloads
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Downloads
287: Home
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Member Screenshots
292: Home
293: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
M551 Vietnam Question
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
cfbush2000
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 13, 2006
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:29 pm
Post subject: M551 Vietnam Question

Hello,
I'm doing a Vietnam era Sheridan and would like to add the stowage rack that some had mounted on the rear hull. I have a few pictures showing the racks from the side of the vehicle. What I have not been able to find is a picture from the back of the tank, showing the rack in full.
Any help (pictures, drawings, descriptions) would be welcome.
Thanks

Chuck Bush
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:34 pm
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

Chuck,
See if something here can help:

www.vhpamuseum.org/11t...hcav.shtml

Also check Howard Thompson's incredible 1/8th scale model of "Arizona"

www.sampson-jeff.com/t.../index.htm
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:03 pm
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

[img][/img][img][/img][img][/img]
Here are shots of the Sheridan at Fort Irwin, painted up in 11th ACR markings. I only have two shots that show the rear area of the turret. this vehicle is missing all its swim gear and the "tea cup" armor that was atop the turret MG. I hope this helps.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:17 pm
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

Jeff,
Sheridans in Vietnam service generally had an "add-on" rack or two (along with any number of other modifications) that expanded their carrying capacity. The one at Ft. Irwin lacks all of the typical VN mods.
I have closeups of the rear of the magnificent example at the MVTF ("Littlefield Collection"), but it is done up as a late example of a 3/73rd Armor, 82nd Abn. vehicle and not Vietnam.

Doug
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:45 pm
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

This is a "plain vanilla" M551 from my M551 AR/AAV Training Course at Ft. Knox in '71:


...and this, the 3/73rd Armor, 82nd Abn example at the MVTF (Littlefield's):
(Both are like the Ft. Irwin example...neither is typical of Sheridans in Vietnam service)



Refer to my first post in this thread for images of the VN style rack (and in Mr. Thompson's incredibly detailed model)
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:55 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

Hull racks (unofficial)...best views I have:


Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
cfbush2000
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 13, 2006
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:08 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

Thanks for the help Folks. Now I just need to get in gear and scratch the rack.

Chuck
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:11 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

Don't try to make it look too "finished"....it's just flat welded steel bits...easy to scratch build. Show us pics when you finish!
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:27 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

Look dear,

that nice Mr Kibbey has posted some more of his nice Sheridan photos- apparently he has been holding out on us! (Why, that...)

Mmmmmore puh-leaze, Mr Kibbey Wink

Cheers,

Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
cfbush2000
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 13, 2006
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:20 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

- Doug_Kibbey
Don't try to make it look too "finished"....it's just flat welded steel bits...easy to scratch build. Show us pics when you finish!


More info! If I may ask a bit more.
1. Was the rack welded directly to the deck? It looks like it is directly over the tool mounts. On some pics it looks elevated.
2. Did the rack extend over the lifting eyes?
3. I know, I'm obsessing here. I'm really an OOB kind of modeller, but sometimes get hung up on a point, like this.
Chuck.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:16 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

- cfbush2000

More info! If I may ask a bit more.
1. Was the rack welded directly to the deck? It looks like it is directly over the tool mounts. On some pics it looks elevated.
2. Did the rack extend over the lifting eyes?
3. I know, I'm obsessing here. I'm really an OOB kind of modeller, but sometimes get hung up on a point, like this.
Chuck.


Hi Chuck! Hi Folks!

1. NO, rack was steel, hull is aluminum, and even at the direct support level no one had welding gear for aluminum.

The rack had four legs which covered four bolt hole over the rear angled engine deck. If I remember right, those four bolts would be at the far corners of that deck.

2. I not sure, but after looking at C19s rack for a bit, it looks like the rear (bottom) leg is not at the corner of the rack. That would mean the rack does extend behond the edges of the engine deck and possible cover up the lift points some. One way to try and get the width is to find four 20 mm ammo cans, four five gallon water cans or four C-Ration boxs or a fix of water cans and boxes equal to four. Total of eight items in the rack. The 20 mm ammo cans where used by each crew member as a water and dust prouf storage box for personel gear.

3. You can only keep asking questions until you are not hung up.

Here is another (poor) side view of an empty rack for a Charlie Troop Sheridan that was headed home.



Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.


Last edited by Roy_A_Lingle on Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:27 am; edited 3 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:21 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

- cfbush2000
- Doug_Kibbey
Don't try to make it look too "finished"....it's just flat welded steel bits...easy to scratch build. Show us pics when you finish!


More info! If I may ask a bit more.
1. Was the rack welded directly to the deck? It looks like it is directly over the tool mounts. On some pics it looks elevated.
2. Did the rack extend over the lifting eyes?
3. I know, I'm obsessing here. I'm really an OOB kind of modeller, but sometimes get hung up on a point, like this.
Chuck.


Chuck,
I really can't give you any more info on what's a pretty minor detail to recall after 35 years, but I wouldn't sweat it too much either. A certain "latitude" for a field mod like this is acceptable given the improvised nature and circumstances (and some were likely damaged, repaired, altered).

It's the Roy and Doug tag team show...
Well...edit that...Roy got on while I was typing and posted the same pic of his I was putting up...better answer, too! And to the best of my knowledge, you can't weld aluminum to steel directly...but I've been wrong before. Rolling Eyes

that nice Mr Kibbey has posted some more of his nice Sheridan photos- apparently he has been holding out on us! (Why, that...)

Mmmmmore puh-leaze, Mr Kibbey


Not a bit of it Jens...haven't been holding out. Smile Most or all of those pics are either up on my VHPA pages, or had been posted on the "old" forum before...well maybe not the one of the bustle at Littlefield's. I editted a couple down to show some detail for Chuck. All my vehicle pics from VN have been posted on at least one site...usually more than one, over the years.
I have detail shots from the MVTF, but most of those are WAY esoteric and not really unique.

Something special you need?
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:53 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

Hi Folks!

Don't know if these will be of much help.

The top one comes out of "Find the Bastards...Then Pile On" by SMAJ Bill Squires, page 59.



This one is from article out of the January February 2000 issue of Armor magazine, page 23



Spot Report from the Doug and Roy team!
Doug what happiened to the HHT M88 operator?
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:03 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

- Roy_A_Lingle
Spot Report from the Doug and Roy team!
Doug what happiened to the HHT M88 operator?
Sgt, Scouts Out!


Roy...
'dunno....I emailed him and posted a reply on the old forum so he'd know where to find us. Then again, not everyone is as obsessive about checking in on the forum as some of us are.... Rolling Eyes
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
cfbush2000
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 13, 2006
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:13 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

You guys are amazing!
Roy...Those pics are just what I was looking for. Thanks.
I'll post a pic when I get the rack done.
Thanks again guys.
Chuck
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum