±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 863
Total: 863
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Downloads
03: Home
04: Home
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Photo Gallery
10: Downloads
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Home
16: Member Screenshots
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: News Archive
21: Community Forums
22: Home
23: Downloads
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Downloads
28: Home
29: Home
30: News
31: Home
32: Downloads
33: Member Screenshots
34: News
35: Community Forums
36: Photo Gallery
37: Home
38: Community Forums
39: Member Screenshots
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Photo Gallery
43: Community Forums
44: Photo Gallery
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Photo Gallery
49: Community Forums
50: Tell a Friend
51: Home
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Home
55: Community Forums
56: Home
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: News
60: Community Forums
61: News Archive
62: Home
63: Home
64: Member Screenshots
65: Home
66: Member Screenshots
67: Community Forums
68: Downloads
69: Community Forums
70: Home
71: Home
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Photo Gallery
77: Community Forums
78: Member Screenshots
79: Community Forums
80: News
81: Downloads
82: Home
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Downloads
87: News Archive
88: Community Forums
89: Home
90: Home
91: Home
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: News
95: Community Forums
96: Home
97: Photo Gallery
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Home
101: Home
102: Community Forums
103: Member Screenshots
104: Community Forums
105: Downloads
106: Community Forums
107: Home
108: Downloads
109: Home
110: Downloads
111: Home
112: Your Account
113: Community Forums
114: Home
115: Community Forums
116: Member Screenshots
117: Community Forums
118: Home
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Home
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Downloads
126: News Archive
127: Home
128: Home
129: Home
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Home
133: Community Forums
134: News
135: Home
136: Downloads
137: Home
138: Home
139: Home
140: Downloads
141: Community Forums
142: News Archive
143: Home
144: Home
145: Home
146: Home
147: Member Screenshots
148: Home
149: Home
150: Member Screenshots
151: Photo Gallery
152: Home
153: Photo Gallery
154: Community Forums
155: Member Screenshots
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: News Archive
160: Photo Gallery
161: Member Screenshots
162: Downloads
163: Home
164: Home
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Home
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Home
174: Community Forums
175: Home
176: Home
177: Downloads
178: Member Screenshots
179: Community Forums
180: Home
181: Community Forums
182: Downloads
183: Home
184: News Archive
185: Member Screenshots
186: Member Screenshots
187: Home
188: Photo Gallery
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Your Account
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Photo Gallery
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Home
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Downloads
201: Home
202: Community Forums
203: Contact
204: Community Forums
205: Home
206: Community Forums
207: Home
208: Home
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Downloads
212: Photo Gallery
213: News Archive
214: Home
215: Home
216: Statistics
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Home
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Home
224: Community Forums
225: Home
226: Photo Gallery
227: Home
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Photo Gallery
231: Home
232: Your Account
233: Photo Gallery
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Home
238: Home
239: Home
240: Home
241: Photo Gallery
242: Home
243: Your Account
244: Home
245: Photo Gallery
246: Community Forums
247: Photo Gallery
248: Home
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Home
252: Community Forums
253: Home
254: Home
255: Home
256: Community Forums
257: Photo Gallery
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Home
262: Downloads
263: News Archive
264: News Archive
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Member Screenshots
272: Community Forums
273: Home
274: Community Forums
275: Home
276: Member Screenshots
277: Community Forums
278: Downloads
279: Member Screenshots
280: Community Forums
281: Member Screenshots
282: Community Forums
283: Home
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Downloads
287: Home
288: Home
289: Member Screenshots
290: Community Forums
291: Home
292: Home
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Home
296: Photo Gallery
297: Photo Gallery
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Member Screenshots
302: Community Forums
303: Home
304: Home
305: Downloads
306: Community Forums
307: Member Screenshots
308: Home
309: News Archive
310: Home
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Downloads
315: Downloads
316: News Archive
317: Photo Gallery
318: Community Forums
319: News Archive
320: Community Forums
321: Downloads
322: Home
323: News Archive
324: Photo Gallery
325: Member Screenshots
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Home
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Home
344: Home
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: News Archive
348: Downloads
349: Photo Gallery
350: Community Forums
351: Home
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Home
355: Community Forums
356: Home
357: Community Forums
358: Home
359: Home
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Home
367: Community Forums
368: Home
369: Home
370: Home
371: Community Forums
372: Home
373: Home
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: Community Forums
377: Home
378: Community Forums
379: Home
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Home
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Member Screenshots
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Home
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Home
394: Home
395: Member Screenshots
396: Photo Gallery
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Your Account
401: Home
402: Community Forums
403: Member Screenshots
404: Community Forums
405: Home
406: Photo Gallery
407: Home
408: Home
409: Home
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: News Archive
413: Home
414: Community Forums
415: Home
416: Home
417: Home
418: Photo Gallery
419: Home
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Home
425: Community Forums
426: Photo Gallery
427: Home
428: Home
429: Home
430: Home
431: Home
432: Home
433: Home
434: Photo Gallery
435: Home
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Home
440: Home
441: Community Forums
442: Photo Gallery
443: Home
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Home
447: Community Forums
448: Photo Gallery
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Home
454: Home
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Photo Gallery
459: Home
460: Downloads
461: Home
462: Photo Gallery
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Home
466: Your Account
467: Community Forums
468: Member Screenshots
469: News Archive
470: Search
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Home
474: Home
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Home
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: News Archive
483: Home
484: Community Forums
485: Home
486: Home
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Home
490: Home
491: Downloads
492: Member Screenshots
493: Home
494: Home
495: Photo Gallery
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Your Account
500: Home
501: Home
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Home
507: Home
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Member Screenshots
511: Home
512: Home
513: Photo Gallery
514: Community Forums
515: News Archive
516: Community Forums
517: Photo Gallery
518: Member Screenshots
519: Community Forums
520: Home
521: Home
522: Member Screenshots
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Home
526: Downloads
527: Home
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Home
531: Community Forums
532: Home
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Home
536: Home
537: Home
538: Community Forums
539: News Archive
540: Home
541: Home
542: News Archive
543: Community Forums
544: News
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Photo Gallery
548: Community Forums
549: Photo Gallery
550: Community Forums
551: Home
552: Home
553: Your Account
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Photo Gallery
557: Home
558: Downloads
559: Photo Gallery
560: Downloads
561: Community Forums
562: Home
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: Home
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Home
569: Member Screenshots
570: Home
571: Community Forums
572: Home
573: Home
574: Community Forums
575: Home
576: Member Screenshots
577: Member Screenshots
578: News Archive
579: Member Screenshots
580: Photo Gallery
581: Home
582: Community Forums
583: Home
584: Downloads
585: Home
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Home
590: Home
591: Member Screenshots
592: Community Forums
593: Home
594: Your Account
595: Community Forums
596: Home
597: Downloads
598: Home
599: News Archive
600: Photo Gallery
601: Community Forums
602: Downloads
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: Home
606: Photo Gallery
607: Home
608: Home
609: Community Forums
610: Home
611: Member Screenshots
612: Home
613: Community Forums
614: Downloads
615: Community Forums
616: News Archive
617: Home
618: Community Forums
619: Home
620: News Archive
621: Community Forums
622: News Archive
623: Home
624: Home
625: Home
626: Community Forums
627: Home
628: Community Forums
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: Home
634: Photo Gallery
635: Community Forums
636: News
637: Community Forums
638: Community Forums
639: Home
640: Home
641: Home
642: News Archive
643: Community Forums
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Home
647: Community Forums
648: Photo Gallery
649: News Archive
650: Home
651: Your Account
652: Home
653: Member Screenshots
654: Community Forums
655: Community Forums
656: Home
657: Photo Gallery
658: Community Forums
659: Downloads
660: Home
661: Home
662: Community Forums
663: Home
664: Community Forums
665: Home
666: Community Forums
667: Community Forums
668: Home
669: Community Forums
670: Community Forums
671: Home
672: Community Forums
673: Photo Gallery
674: Photo Gallery
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Home
679: Home
680: Community Forums
681: Photo Gallery
682: Community Forums
683: Home
684: Community Forums
685: Home
686: Photo Gallery
687: Home
688: Community Forums
689: Community Forums
690: Community Forums
691: Community Forums
692: Community Forums
693: Home
694: Community Forums
695: Home
696: Community Forums
697: Downloads
698: Home
699: Photo Gallery
700: Home
701: Community Forums
702: Downloads
703: Home
704: Home
705: Home
706: Community Forums
707: Home
708: Community Forums
709: Community Forums
710: Community Forums
711: Home
712: Home
713: Community Forums
714: Home
715: Community Forums
716: Community Forums
717: Home
718: News Archive
719: News
720: Home
721: Community Forums
722: Community Forums
723: Member Screenshots
724: Home
725: Community Forums
726: Community Forums
727: Photo Gallery
728: Community Forums
729: Home
730: Community Forums
731: News Archive
732: Home
733: Photo Gallery
734: Downloads
735: Home
736: Community Forums
737: Downloads
738: Community Forums
739: Home
740: Home
741: Home
742: Photo Gallery
743: Home
744: Home
745: Community Forums
746: Community Forums
747: Photo Gallery
748: Home
749: Downloads
750: Downloads
751: Home
752: Photo Gallery
753: Community Forums
754: Downloads
755: Community Forums
756: Home
757: Community Forums
758: Home
759: Downloads
760: Home
761: Member Screenshots
762: Home
763: Downloads
764: Home
765: Home
766: Community Forums
767: Community Forums
768: Community Forums
769: Photo Gallery
770: Home
771: Home
772: Community Forums
773: Community Forums
774: Downloads
775: Community Forums
776: Photo Gallery
777: Home
778: Community Forums
779: Community Forums
780: News Archive
781: Community Forums
782: Community Forums
783: Home
784: Photo Gallery
785: Community Forums
786: News
787: Home
788: Member Screenshots
789: Home
790: Home
791: Home
792: News Archive
793: News Archive
794: Member Screenshots
795: News Archive
796: Member Screenshots
797: Home
798: Community Forums
799: Community Forums
800: Photo Gallery
801: Home
802: Community Forums
803: Community Forums
804: Home
805: Home
806: Member Screenshots
807: Community Forums
808: Home
809: Community Forums
810: Community Forums
811: Community Forums
812: Home
813: Community Forums
814: Community Forums
815: Community Forums
816: Downloads
817: Home
818: Member Screenshots
819: News Archive
820: Member Screenshots
821: Treasury
822: Community Forums
823: News Archive
824: Your Account
825: Community Forums
826: Home
827: Community Forums
828: Home
829: Downloads
830: Photo Gallery
831: Home
832: Photo Gallery
833: Community Forums
834: Community Forums
835: Community Forums
836: Home
837: Community Forums
838: Home
839: Community Forums
840: Home
841: Community Forums
842: Community Forums
843: Community Forums
844: Home
845: Community Forums
846: Member Screenshots
847: Home
848: News Archive
849: Home
850: Community Forums
851: Home
852: Downloads
853: Home
854: Community Forums
855: Home
856: Home
857: Home
858: Photo Gallery
859: Downloads
860: Home
861: Community Forums
862: Photo Gallery
863: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:37 pm
Post subject: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

Hi Folks!

Found this great photo over at Army Images. Lots of mud on those two vehicles! The near one has part of a mine plow system and the far one has a tow bar on the front.



Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:47 pm
Post subject: Re: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

Roy

The near tank has the 'bra' which is for use with mounting the mine roller.

It is a cool photo!

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
jcneel
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 101
Location: Victoria, Texas
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:53 am
Post subject: Re: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

I found it interesting that the tanks appear to painting in a multi color camoflauge rather than in overall tan. Althougth the mud nearly conceals it.

It is a cool photo.

later

cn
Back to top
View user's profile
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:14 am
Post subject: Re: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

Thats not mulit-color tans and browns. Its more than likely, spilled oil or water cans that collected dirt and stained. Also looks like they recently ran through some water/wet mud which is bleeding through the side plates. Thats just the dirt and grime of a combat enviroment. I've seen many like it in Kuwait and here at Fort Irwin during rotations. That picture is from "Army Images"? Is that the same as Army Knowledge On-line (AKO)? This was the cover picture for that site yesterday and today. I have noticed other pictures from Army Images posted here and they always are within a day of being seen on AKO. I'm on AKO every day, its where my military e-mail account is located.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
toadmanstankpictures
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 704

PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:20 am
Post subject: Re: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

I just blew the picture up to 200% on photoshop and the near tank clearly shows on the turret stowage boxes green, black and brown going from left to right. The pattern shows up on the skirts as well. You can just make the black and green out on the background tank too.

_________________
Chris "toadman" Hughes
www.toadmanstankpictures.com
www.cafepress.com/toad...ksandstuff
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:06 am
Post subject: Re: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

OK, you got me. I blew it up to and sure enough, there's woodland camo bleeding through, and here is why (my take why). Those tanks are from the 1st Armored Division located in Germany. They probably recieved a very thin coat of tan paint before heading to the middle east. This picture was taken in Tal Afar, Iraq. The closest tank has "Amber Lynne" painted on its cannon, so it must be an "A" Company tank. 1st Armored is supposed to be relocating to Ft Bliss, TX., per- the 2005 BRAC recommendation. I'm sure they'll get a better coat of tan "CARC" paint once they are back stateside. Here's a quick quiz/question that I know the answer to, how did the 1st armored get the nickname "OldIronsides"?

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:04 am
Post subject: Re: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

Hey Folks!

The Army and the USMC has not bother to repaint most of the vehicles sent into Iraq starting with the first day of major combat.

Stop and think about the type of paint that is used now days and what has to be done to repaint a vehicle. That takes time and funding. With the type of combat that is going on in Iraq, it doesn't really matter what color a military vehicle is painted. Use what you have and save the cost of painting complete vehicles. Just wait and let the depots do that during the rebuild/upgrade (now called 'reset') phase of a vehicle's life.

If you go back to the later years of the Veitnam War, you will notice a lot of vehicles in need of painting. It's a waste of time and money most of the time during this type of warfare.

My take on painting military vehicles for this war.
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:23 am
Post subject: Re: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

Hello Roy,
A few questions about the tow bar, is this ''standard'' drill by M1 units on patrol in Iraq to have a towbar, and is this the same type of towbar which the recovery tank has?

I presume this is for towing a disabled comrade quick back to a saver place.

Why don't they use the towcables (safety regulations if the disabled tank can not use his brakes?)

The US tank force has a lot of experience now operating with tanks in an urban enviroment. The tankbattalions here are now training in urban warfare also but sometimes I personally have the feeling that we try to re-invent the wheel....... Maybe it something of pride that ''we'' not ask advice from somebody with experience.

Regards,
Lesley
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:30 am
Post subject: Re: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

Lesley

The tow bar is the same used by ARVs. Each platoon has one or two, based on availability. This insures that a platoon or section can affect recovery (possibly underfire) without the ARV presence.

As for MOUT (urban warfare) training. I would imagine that 'lessons learned' in Iraq, are being circulated throughout all the professional circles. Its better to use the mistakes / successes of others to prepare for the future.

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
panamadan
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 174

PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:25 pm
Post subject: Re: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

1AD nickname came from the USS Constitution. Served with 1AD from '83-'88. Dan
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:26 am
Post subject: Re: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

- L.Delsing
Hello Roy,

Why don't they use the towcables (safety regulations if the disabled tank can not use his brakes?)

Regards,
Lesley


Hi Lesley! Hi Folks!

I think the rest of your questions have been address.

Having done it both ways, I would say using a tow bar, if available, provides more control over the dead vehicle via using tow cables. Tow cables are good for very short moves, but anything with some distance plus being inside a city, I would go with a tow bar.

My 2 cents based on towing M114s, M113s, M551s.
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:48 am
Post subject: Re: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

Here is the answer for how the 1st Armored Div got it's nickname. "Panamaden", got it right but here is the detailed version.
Soon after the activation of the 1st Armored Division at Fort Knox on July 15, 1940, its first commander, Major General Bruce R. Magruder, began searching for an appropriate nickname for the division. In 1941 General George S. Patton Jr. had just named his 2nd Armored Division "Hell on Wheels" and everyone thought that the 1st Armored Division needed a name too. General Bruce Magruder, the Commander of the 1st Armored Division, announced a contest to find a suitable name for his Division. Approximately 200 names were submitted including "Fire and Brimstone" and "Kentucky Wonders." The General took them home to study over the weekend but failed to find any that appealed to him. While mulling the matter over, he happened to glance at a picture of the U.S.S. Constitution that he had bought during a drive for funds for the preservation of that famous fighting ship known as "Old Ironsides." That ended the search for a name. Impressed with the parallel between the early development of the tank and the Navy's "Old Ironsides" spirit of daring and durability he decided the 1st Armored Division should also be named "Old Ironsides." Thus a famous warship of the US Navy and the famous 1st Armored Division of the US Army are historically and appropriately welded by name "Old Ironsides."

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:58 pm
Post subject: Re: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

Hello Don and Roy,
Interesting those towbars in a platoon. I will ask about it here, the only problem is that in our unit only the recovery tank is authorised for a tow bar and I think they cost some euro's..... So filling in a form with a NSN for 3 extra towbars will ring some bells at brigade level.....

About the lessons learned, I really hope there is some form of cooperation. But until this moment I've seen only one written NL document about operating with tanks in a MOUT enviroment which was written by a good willing NCO which was ordered to think and write something about it.

Unfortunately a lot of info from higher level don't come through at the company or even battalion level.

Regards,
Lesley
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:27 pm
Post subject: Re: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

- L.Delsing


About the lessons learned, I really hope there is some form of cooperation. But until this moment I've seen only one written NL document about operating with tanks in a MOUT enviroment which was written by a good willing NCO which was ordered to think and write something about it.

Unfortunately a lot of info from higher level don't come through at the company or even battalion level.

Regards,
Lesley


Hi Lesley! Hi Folks!

Hey Lesley, would suggest reading "Heavy Metal, A Tank Company Battle To Baghdad. Written by a Tank Company Commander. One of the tank companies that made the left hooking desert run up to Baghdad and made the two thunder runs throught town.

May not be the best, but it make be helpful. Some tank on tank but a lot of tankers having to do things that normally infantry or MP would have done if there had been enough to go around.

Lesley, if it is not available to you localy, contact me via privite messages and I will mail you a copy.

ISBN 1-57488-856-0
by Capt. Jason Conroy, USA, with Ron Martz
Potomac Books, Inc. 22841, Quicksilver Drive
Dulles, Virginia 20166

Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:33 am
Post subject: Re: 1st Armored Division Abrams on Patrol

- SFC_Jeff_Button

That picture is from "Army Images"? Is that the same as Army Knowledge On-line (AKO)? This was the cover picture for that site yesterday and today. I have noticed other pictures from Army Images posted here and they always are within a day of being seen on AKO. I'm on AKO every day, its where my military e-mail account is located.


Hi Jeff! Hi Folks!

AKO is a User ID/Password protected system with some low level classified data.
Army Images is part of the DOD Unclassified public information site.

For the main DOD site you can go to:

www.defenselink.mil

Or go directly to the U.S. Army site at:

www.army.mil

You can find the link to images along the left side under 'Army News' forth item down.

The DOD site has also has an image site with photos from all DOD elements. There is a 'Website' link to a page with links to the individual serivces' websites plus just about all things under DOD like the latest Budget reports.

Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum