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David_Reasoner · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: Yet another AFV quiz!

Neil_Baumgardner · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another AFV quiz!

That is a good one. For some reason I'd want to say it looks French...

Neil

bsmart · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another AFV quiz!

Have no idea but to me it looks like a movie mockup. I can't pull up tthe detail enough to really look at the writing but I lean toward a cyrillic alphabet.

I think we are looking at a movie prop and set from the 20s or 30's

Dontos · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another AFV quiz!

Thats what I thought, a movie prop. Perhaps from Soviet Union in the 20's or 30's?

David_Reasoner · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another AFV quiz!

Nope, nope, and nope. Although I agree it certainly looks like a mockup, it was apparently for real.

This may be too broad a hint, but the French and the Soviets were both supporters of the using army.

David

Dontos · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another AFV quiz!

Belgium?

piney · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another AFV quiz!

Spanish Civil War?

Jeff Lewis

David_Reasoner · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another AFV quiz!

- Dontos

Belgium?

Nope. Wrong side of France, geographically speaking.

David

David_Reasoner · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another AFV quiz!

- piney

Spanish Civil War?

Jeff Lewis

Bingo! We have a winner!

Any of you guys translate very well?

"Este extraÃƒÂ±o carro de combate fue fotografiado en la carretera de Huesca (Barbastro). Estaba armado con una ametralladora montada en una torreta giratoria. en el lateral de las cadenas lleva inscrito lo siguiente "Grupo de ConstrucciÃƒÂ³n Tanques de Barbastro".

El misterio sobre este extraÃƒÂ±o tanque ha quedado por fin resuelto gracias al artÃƒÂculo "Blindados republicanos de fabricaciÃƒÂ³n artesanal 'El modelo BarbastroÃ‚Â´" de Luis Alfonso Arcarazo GarcÃƒÂa, gracias a los datos facilitados por su propio constructor, D. Constancio RÃƒÂ¡miz. Hemos adoptado el nombre que propone el autor del artÃƒÂculo al que hacemos referencia para este blindado que nos parece muy adecuado: "Carro Modelo Barbastro".

Para saber mÃƒÂ¡s sobre su historia y caracterÃƒÂsticas de construcciÃƒÂ³n aconsejamos leer este artÃƒÂculo, que podrÃƒÂ¡ encontrar en:

www.barranque.com/guer...anques.htm "

David

Dontos · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another AFV quiz!

I'll agree with 'Piney' (Love the Avatar, BTW)

Spanish Nationalists?

...Supporters...
...Wrong side of France...

Thats the ticket!

David_Reasoner · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another AFV quiz!

- Dontos

I'll agree with 'Piney' (Love the Avatar, BTW)

Spanish Nationalists?

...Supporters...
...Wrong side of France...

Thats the ticket!

Republicans, actually. The Nationalists were the guys with all the German and Italian equipment. I'm curious what the story behind this vehicle is and I don't read Spanish all that well.

David

Neil_Baumgardner · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another AFV quiz!

Here's Altavista's very rough translation (often more amusing than helpful):

"Tank in the Highway of Huesca with the legend "Group Construction of Barbastro Tanks", possibly is the made one in Barbastro.

"The model was very similar to the one of the photography, but the constructed one in Barbastro did not go fairing, being the chains to the air. In order to equal its aspect, since its construction took control of diverse materials, a grayish painting layer occurred him. Reviewing the diverse cars of the time we can say that its aspect was similar to the car to the light Tank Trubia or to the Euzkadi, with the centered cylindrical turret, although the "single Barbastro" had a machine gun, and had to be greater to give capacity to four crew members."

David_Reasoner · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another AFV quiz!

Trying to scan through the linked article, about all I could make out was that it used Oruga agricultural tractor parts and an American engine.

David

Neil_Baumgardner · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another AFV quiz!

This page seems to indicate it was of local manufacture:

republicaomuerte.iespa...bastro.htm

Spanish:

"Este extraÃƒÂ±o carro de combate fue fotografiado en la carretera de Huesca (Barbastro). Estaba armado con una ametralladora montada en una torreta giratoria. en el lateral de las cadenas lleva inscrito lo siguiente "Grupo de ConstrucciÃƒÂ³n Tanques de Barbastro".

"El misterio sobre este extraÃƒÂ±o tanque ha quedado por fin resuelto gracias al artÃƒÂculo "Blindados republicanos de fabricaciÃƒÂ³n artesanal 'El modelo BarbastroÃ‚Â´" de Luis Alfonso Arcarazo GarcÃƒÂa, gracias a los datos facilitados por su propio constructor, D. Constancio RÃƒÂ¡miz. Hemos adoptado el nombre que propone el autor del artÃƒÂculo al que hacemos referencia para este blindado que nos parece muy adecuado: "Carro Modelo Barbastro"."

Babelfish translation:

"This strange car battle was photographed in the highway of Huesca (Barbastro). It was armed with a machine gun mounted in a revolving turret. in the lateral one of the chains it takes enrolled to the following "Group of Construction Tanks of Barbastro".

"The mystery on this strange tank has been finally solved republican thanks to the article "Armored of artisan manufacture ' the BarbastroÃ‚Â´ model" of Luis Alfonso Arcarazo Garci'a, thanks to the data facilitated by its own constructor, D. Constancio RÃƒÂ¡miz. We have adopted the name that the author of the article proposes to which we make reference for this armoring that seems to us very suitable: "Car Barbastro Model"."

Neil

David_Reasoner · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another AFV quiz!

Another tractor-based "tank" from the same conflict:

The FAI were the Spanish Anarchist political party and the CNT was a major trade/labor syndicate.

David

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