±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 589
Total: 589
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Member Screenshots
03: Community Forums
04: Photo Gallery
05: Member Screenshots
06: Downloads
07: Home
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Home
11: Photo Gallery
12: Community Forums
13: Home
14: Photo Gallery
15: Downloads
16: Member Screenshots
17: Home
18: Home
19: Home
20: Home
21: Home
22: Home
23: Member Screenshots
24: Photo Gallery
25: Community Forums
26: Photo Gallery
27: Home
28: Downloads
29: Home
30: Community Forums
31: Home
32: Member Screenshots
33: Community Forums
34: Photo Gallery
35: Photo Gallery
36: Downloads
37: Member Screenshots
38: Home
39: Home
40: Community Forums
41: Downloads
42: Home
43: Photo Gallery
44: Member Screenshots
45: Community Forums
46: Home
47: Member Screenshots
48: Member Screenshots
49: Home
50: Home
51: Member Screenshots
52: Home
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Home
57: Photo Gallery
58: Home
59: Home
60: Member Screenshots
61: Photo Gallery
62: Home
63: Community Forums
64: Member Screenshots
65: Home
66: Photo Gallery
67: Downloads
68: Downloads
69: Home
70: Photo Gallery
71: Downloads
72: Community Forums
73: Home
74: Home
75: Home
76: Home
77: Community Forums
78: Member Screenshots
79: Home
80: Member Screenshots
81: Home
82: Home
83: Home
84: Community Forums
85: Member Screenshots
86: Home
87: Member Screenshots
88: Community Forums
89: Home
90: Photo Gallery
91: Home
92: Member Screenshots
93: Home
94: Home
95: Home
96: Photo Gallery
97: Home
98: Member Screenshots
99: Member Screenshots
100: Home
101: Member Screenshots
102: Photo Gallery
103: Home
104: Downloads
105: Home
106: Home
107: Community Forums
108: Home
109: Home
110: Home
111: Home
112: Home
113: Member Screenshots
114: Home
115: Community Forums
116: Downloads
117: Member Screenshots
118: Home
119: Downloads
120: Home
121: Home
122: Community Forums
123: Downloads
124: Home
125: Photo Gallery
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Downloads
130: Member Screenshots
131: Home
132: Home
133: Photo Gallery
134: Community Forums
135: Statistics
136: Member Screenshots
137: Member Screenshots
138: Home
139: Photo Gallery
140: Community Forums
141: Photo Gallery
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Home
145: Statistics
146: Home
147: Photo Gallery
148: Photo Gallery
149: Downloads
150: Community Forums
151: Member Screenshots
152: Photo Gallery
153: Member Screenshots
154: Home
155: Member Screenshots
156: Member Screenshots
157: Statistics
158: Member Screenshots
159: Photo Gallery
160: Member Screenshots
161: Community Forums
162: Member Screenshots
163: Home
164: Photo Gallery
165: Statistics
166: Community Forums
167: Member Screenshots
168: News Archive
169: Your Account
170: Statistics
171: Statistics
172: Community Forums
173: Downloads
174: Home
175: Downloads
176: Photo Gallery
177: Home
178: Member Screenshots
179: Photo Gallery
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Statistics
185: Member Screenshots
186: Downloads
187: Member Screenshots
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Photo Gallery
191: Downloads
192: Community Forums
193: Home
194: Community Forums
195: Home
196: News Archive
197: Member Screenshots
198: Home
199: Photo Gallery
200: Member Screenshots
201: Community Forums
202: Home
203: Member Screenshots
204: Home
205: Home
206: Community Forums
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Photo Gallery
210: Downloads
211: Statistics
212: Member Screenshots
213: Photo Gallery
214: Home
215: Community Forums
216: Member Screenshots
217: Home
218: Photo Gallery
219: Member Screenshots
220: Home
221: Downloads
222: Community Forums
223: Home
224: Home
225: Photo Gallery
226: Home
227: Member Screenshots
228: Photo Gallery
229: Member Screenshots
230: Member Screenshots
231: Photo Gallery
232: Member Screenshots
233: Home
234: Community Forums
235: Home
236: Member Screenshots
237: Home
238: Community Forums
239: Downloads
240: Home
241: Downloads
242: Member Screenshots
243: Member Screenshots
244: Community Forums
245: Member Screenshots
246: Home
247: Home
248: Community Forums
249: Photo Gallery
250: News Archive
251: Downloads
252: Photo Gallery
253: Community Forums
254: Member Screenshots
255: Downloads
256: Photo Gallery
257: Home
258: Home
259: Downloads
260: Home
261: Home
262: Community Forums
263: Downloads
264: Home
265: News
266: Home
267: Downloads
268: Photo Gallery
269: Community Forums
270: Member Screenshots
271: Statistics
272: Member Screenshots
273: Home
274: Photo Gallery
275: Photo Gallery
276: Member Screenshots
277: Member Screenshots
278: Member Screenshots
279: Home
280: Home
281: Member Screenshots
282: Downloads
283: Statistics
284: Home
285: Member Screenshots
286: Home
287: Community Forums
288: Home
289: Member Screenshots
290: Home
291: Member Screenshots
292: Photo Gallery
293: Member Screenshots
294: Photo Gallery
295: Photo Gallery
296: Member Screenshots
297: Member Screenshots
298: Community Forums
299: Photo Gallery
300: Member Screenshots
301: Home
302: Downloads
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Home
306: News Archive
307: Photo Gallery
308: Home
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Member Screenshots
312: Photo Gallery
313: News
314: Photo Gallery
315: Community Forums
316: Home
317: Home
318: Community Forums
319: Home
320: Member Screenshots
321: Home
322: Community Forums
323: Home
324: Member Screenshots
325: Home
326: Community Forums
327: Home
328: News Archive
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Home
332: Treasury
333: Community Forums
334: Member Screenshots
335: Community Forums
336: News Archive
337: Member Screenshots
338: Photo Gallery
339: Photo Gallery
340: Downloads
341: Member Screenshots
342: Home
343: Photo Gallery
344: Photo Gallery
345: Statistics
346: News Archive
347: Home
348: Member Screenshots
349: Member Screenshots
350: Statistics
351: Community Forums
352: Photo Gallery
353: Photo Gallery
354: News Archive
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Home
359: Photo Gallery
360: Community Forums
361: Member Screenshots
362: Member Screenshots
363: Member Screenshots
364: Member Screenshots
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Member Screenshots
368: Photo Gallery
369: Community Forums
370: Member Screenshots
371: Home
372: Home
373: Community Forums
374: Home
375: News Archive
376: Member Screenshots
377: Home
378: Community Forums
379: Home
380: Home
381: Photo Gallery
382: Home
383: Downloads
384: Photo Gallery
385: Home
386: Photo Gallery
387: Community Forums
388: Home
389: Photo Gallery
390: Member Screenshots
391: Home
392: Community Forums
393: Home
394: Statistics
395: Member Screenshots
396: Home
397: Home
398: Home
399: Home
400: Home
401: Home
402: Home
403: Home
404: Home
405: Home
406: Member Screenshots
407: Home
408: Community Forums
409: Home
410: News Archive
411: Home
412: Statistics
413: Photo Gallery
414: Community Forums
415: Photo Gallery
416: Home
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Home
420: Home
421: Home
422: Member Screenshots
423: Photo Gallery
424: News Archive
425: Community Forums
426: Photo Gallery
427: Member Screenshots
428: Downloads
429: Photo Gallery
430: Downloads
431: News Archive
432: Downloads
433: Statistics
434: Member Screenshots
435: Community Forums
436: Photo Gallery
437: Home
438: Member Screenshots
439: Member Screenshots
440: Home
441: Home
442: News Archive
443: Home
444: Home
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Home
449: Home
450: Member Screenshots
451: Photo Gallery
452: Home
453: Home
454: Member Screenshots
455: News Archive
456: Home
457: Member Screenshots
458: Home
459: Downloads
460: Member Screenshots
461: Home
462: Member Screenshots
463: Downloads
464: Photo Gallery
465: Community Forums
466: Member Screenshots
467: Community Forums
468: Member Screenshots
469: Home
470: Home
471: Photo Gallery
472: Home
473: Home
474: Member Screenshots
475: Community Forums
476: Photo Gallery
477: Photo Gallery
478: Downloads
479: Community Forums
480: Home
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Photo Gallery
484: Home
485: Home
486: Home
487: Home
488: Member Screenshots
489: Photo Gallery
490: Community Forums
491: Home
492: Home
493: Community Forums
494: Member Screenshots
495: Member Screenshots
496: Photo Gallery
497: Home
498: Home
499: Photo Gallery
500: Member Screenshots
501: Photo Gallery
502: Home
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Home
507: Home
508: Home
509: Member Screenshots
510: Home
511: Photo Gallery
512: Home
513: Member Screenshots
514: Home
515: Home
516: Home
517: Community Forums
518: Home
519: Home
520: Home
521: Home
522: Member Screenshots
523: News Archive
524: Photo Gallery
525: Home
526: Home
527: Home
528: Home
529: Home
530: Member Screenshots
531: Home
532: Community Forums
533: Downloads
534: Home
535: Photo Gallery
536: Community Forums
537: Downloads
538: Photo Gallery
539: Member Screenshots
540: Downloads
541: Home
542: Member Screenshots
543: Member Screenshots
544: Member Screenshots
545: Home
546: Home
547: Member Screenshots
548: Community Forums
549: Home
550: Home
551: Home
552: News Archive
553: Community Forums
554: Photo Gallery
555: Downloads
556: Member Screenshots
557: Community Forums
558: Home
559: Photo Gallery
560: News
561: Home
562: Community Forums
563: Home
564: Home
565: Home
566: News Archive
567: Home
568: Home
569: Community Forums
570: Home
571: Photo Gallery
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Home
575: Home
576: Community Forums
577: Photo Gallery
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Member Screenshots
582: Photo Gallery
583: Member Screenshots
584: Community Forums
585: Home
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: Member Screenshots
589: Downloads

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Pros and Cons of Windows Vista :: Archived
This is a forum for Software related items such as OS', Virus notices, cool or free programs, etc. Gaming software should go in the gaming folder pertaining to the current info.
Post new topic    Revive this topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  Software

Topic Archived View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Shadow_Bshwackr
Janitor

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 21, 2005
Posts: 7019
Location: Central Illinois, USA
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:36 pm
Post subject: Pros and Cons of Windows Vista

Here's some interesting points about the upcoming release of Windows Vista and some comments from Beta testers. I'll let you make up your own mind, but both articles are worth reading IMO... Wink

First, the Pros...

Why Windows Vista Won't Suck

Major Kernel Overhaul

Many users view Windows XP (and Windows 2000, and previous Windows versions) as unsafe. No matter how many patches and updates Microsoft releases, the foundation of the OS itself�the kernel�is designed and built in a way that prevents it from being truly secure. The only solution, it is argued, is to redesign and rebuild the kernel with a focus on security and stability.

Well, that's sort of what Microsoft is doing with Vista. Rewriting the kernel completely would break too many applications, so that's not really an option. While the kernel in Vista is still primarily the same one as in Windows 2000 and XP, there have been some significant changes to tighten up security. Fewer parts of the OS as a whole run in Kernel mode - most drivers run in User mode, for instance. Things that run in Kernel mode are prevented from installing without verified security certificates, and even then they require administrator-level user permission. In Vista, it should be much more difficult for unauthorized programs (like Viruses and Trojans) to affect the core of the OS and secretly harm your system. In theory, you practically have to invite one in. Of course, the security of the kernel is unproven and will remain so until the OS ships and is out "in the wild," but it's encouraging that Microsoft has done everything they can to enhance stability and security while maintaining backward compatibility, which is no easy task.

That's not all, of course. Microsoft has made it their aim to make life easier on developers by improving and simplifying the way software interfaces with the system and the underlying hardware. Naturally, performance has been a major concern, too.

Take, for example, heaps. Most Windows XP users don't know what a "heap" is (it deals with how developers allocate memory and make memory requests), but there are problems in Windows XP when developers deal with large heaps, heap fragmentation, etc. In the Vista kernel, they have cleaned that up, helping to prevent heap fragmentation and gracefully deal with large heap requests. If that sounds like a bunch of technobabble nonsense, don't worry. You don't have to know what it means, you just have to know that it makes life easier on developers and improves performance. And it doesn't stop with heaps. Lots of relatively little, commonly-used functions have been improved, like procedure calls.

Then there's power management. System power management queries between system drivers and the OS have gotten a major overhaul, so it should be easier for hardware vendors to make their devices work in low-power environments and seamlessly work with power-saving features like Hibernation and Sleep Mode. "What is Sleep Mode?" you ask? On desktop systems, turning off the power will, by default, put your computer in Sleep Mode, where all the data currently in use is saved to both RAM and the hard drive, and then turns everything off except for a few key components (CPU, RAM, a few chipset features).

Move the mouse or press a key and the computer "boots" in a few seconds. In reality, your computer never turned off, it just went into a super-low-power mode. On laptops, Sleep Mode works much the same way when you hit the power button or close the lid, except it doesn't take the time to double-save everything to a hard disk. Instead, it monitors battery life in the ultra-low-power Sleep Mode and, when the battery gets low, transfers the RAM contents to the hard disk. It's like Hibernate mode, only faster.

A key improvement to the root file system and memory management of Vista is a technology called SuperFetch. SuperFetch learns which applications and bits and pieces of the OS you use most and preloads them into memory, so you don't have to wait for a bunch of hard drive paging before your apps or documents load. Microsoft has developed a pretty sophisticated prioritization scheme that can even differentiate which applications you are most likely to use at different times (on the weekend vs. during the week, or late at night vs. in the middle of the afternoon).

The scheme is also smart enough to make sure background tasks like virus scanners don't get priority over the foreground tasks you're working on. In fact, the whole I/O system now has a priority structure not that different from services, so your computer shouldn't bog down when some peer-to-peer file trading program has to do a hash check on a big file or something. SuperFetch also takes advantage of external memory devices�plug in that spare 256MB USB key (any size will work, really) and Windows can cache a lot of the working set to it. It's not as fast as your system RAM, but it's much faster than randomly grabbing small bits of data from all over your hard drive.

The driver model of Vista has been totally changed. Many of the drivers that used to sit at the system (kernel) level are now at the user level, which means that when drivers fail, your whole system shouldn't crash. You should also be able to update most drivers without rebooting your system.

Oh, and this time, we should have good 64-bit support. The 64-bit version of Vista ships at the same time as the 32-bit version and has all the same features�it may even be on the same disc. Everyone making Vista drivers who we know of are making functionally identical 32- and 64-bit drivers. With Vista, 64-bit computing might finally meet critical mass.

Why should you care?
The kernel may not be "sexy," but it's critical. It's one of those things where, if it's done right, you just take it for granted. Well the kernel and related operations (like I/O) in Vista should be far more secure by design, so hopefully we'll see almost no viruses or Trojans, or at least not any that affect a large number of users. SuperFetch shows a lot of promise, since it can hide the slow performance with data loading and make your computer feel a lot more "snappy." The new driver model is definitely a great thing�fewer critical system failures from bad drivers and less rebooting when drivers get updated.


To continue reading the whole article... Click HERE!

To continue to the Cons...

y Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Oh! My aching head.

When I first saw ExtremeTech's Why Windows Vista Won't Suck, I thought: "Aha, sarcasm."

Nope. I was wrong.

They really were saying that Vista is pretty good.

Oh please.

First, let me say, I've been running Vista myself for quite some time. Next to me at this very moment is a Gateway 835GM. Under the hood, it has an Intel Pentium D 2.8GHz dual-core processor, an Intel 945G chipset, 1GB DDR2 (double data rate) DRAM, a 250GB SATA hard drive, and built-in Intel GMA (graphics media accelerator) 950 graphics. That's a fairly powerful machine. Which is a good thing, because it's the only PC in my office of 20 PCs that's got enough oomph to run the Windows Vista February CTP (Community Technology Preview) build 5308 without driving me into fits of rage.

Mind you, it's not enough machine for Vista. I could run any Linux with all the bells and whistles on it without a problem. But, even though this system meets Intel's recommendations for a Vista-capable Intel Professional Business Platform, it still doesn't have the graphics horsepower needed to carry off Vista's much ballyhooed three-dimensional Aero Glass interface.

My point is, though, that while I write a lot about Linux, and I prefer it, my real specialty is that I know operating systems of all types and sorts, including Vista.

So when I say Vista sucks, well, I know what I'm talking about.

"Suck" is a relative term, though. Vista will be better than XP, which has easily been Microsoft's best desktop operating system to date.

However, Vista also requires far more hardware oomph than previous Windows systems. I'd say Intel's recommendations are pretty much a minimum for Vista. I would only add that if you expect to see the fancy desktop, you need to invest in, say, an ATI Radeon XPress 200, an Nvidia nForce4, or a high-end graphics card.

The truth is that very, very few people are going to be upgrading their existing systems to Vista. To make it work well, you're really going to need a new computer. If you didn't buy your PC in 2006, I wouldn't even try to run Vista on it.

OK, so the first reason that Vista sucks is that, no matter what version you get, it's likely to be expensive. No matter what Microsoft ends up charging for it, the only way most people are likely to be running it is when they get a new PC.

Now, let's see what my colleagues at ExtremeTech have to say in Vista's defense ...

Vista is much safer and more secure. "The whole kernel has been reorganized and rewritten to help prevent software from affecting the system in unsavory ways."

Well, yes, this is certainly what Microsoft would have to do to make it truly secure. I've say that myself. Unfortunately, while Microsoft has worked hard on improving Vista's security, it's still pretty much the same old rickety kernel underneath it.

Need proof? In January, Microsoft shipped the first security patch for Vista. It was for the WMF (Windows Metafile) hole. You know, the one, that my security guru friend Larry Seltzer called, "one of those careless things Microsoft did years ago with little or no consideration for the security consequences."

Good job of cleaning up the core operating system, Microsoft!

Of course, Linux never had this kind of garbage to clean up in the first place.

The ExtremeTech guys also say that Microsoft has done a good job of cleaning up Windows' use of memory management and heaps. They're right about that.

What they don't mention is that Linux and Mac OS X have both done that kind of thing well for years. They also don't mention that for an application to actually get the most from these improvements, it will need to be rewritten. So, if you want to get the most from Vista, be sure to set some money aside for new applications as well as a new PC. You'll need it.

They also praise SuperFetch, Microsoft's new combination application pre-fetching technique and hyper-active virtual memory manager. Intelligent pre-fetching is a fine idea for boosting performance. You've been able to use it in any application written with the open-source GCC for years. Microsoft's execution of it, however, has one of the biggest "What were they thinking of?" mistakes I've seen in a long time.

You see, with SuperFetch you can a USB 2.0-based flash drive as a fetch buffer between your RAM and your hard disk. Let me spell that out for you. Vista will put part of your running application on a device that can be kicked off, knocked out, or that your dog can carry away as a chew toy. Do you see the problem here? Me too!

I also understand that Vista will have improved TCP/IP networking. It's nice to know that they've finally done something with that open-source BSD code that's the basis of their TCP/IP network protocol.

What ExtremeTech doesn't mention, though, is that Microsoft is also planning on making it so that you can use IPSec (IP security protocol) for internal network security. This is another of their "What were they thinking of?" moments.

IPSec works fine for VPNs (virtual private networks). But, as John Pescatore, an analyst at Gartner Inc., said about this scheme, "Once you try to encrypt internal communications, your network architecture breaks." He's got that right.

Next up, they say wonderful things about Home Premium Vista having Media Center capability being built into it. Maybe I'm just a little confused here, but after looking at the feature sets, the only thing I see that's changed here is that they'll be calling the next media-enabled Windows "Home Premium Vista" instead of "Media Center Vista."

They also praise this version for having CableCard support, with the result that you'll be able to record HD (high definition broadcasts) from cable instead of being stuck with OTA (over the air) HDTV, without turning your entertainment room into an electronics lab.

Excuse me, but that's not because Microsoft is being innovative. It's because they are still not shipping CableCard cards for PCs. Come the day they finally ship -- and I'm betting the ATI OCCUR makes it out first -- I suspect MythTV and the other open-source PVR (personal video recorder) projects will be right there.

The ExtremeTech crew also has nice things to say about Vista's audio support. Mea culpa, it is better than anything else out there. So, Linux desktop designers, it's time to get cracking on audio support. Vista's still won't be out, at the earliest, until the fourth quarter of this year, and that gives you plenty of time to play catch up.

DirectX10, which is mostly used for game graphics and in the aforementioned Aero, is also much improved. It's also, however, completely different from DirectX9. Current games, current graphic cards, won't be able to do anything with it, which is why Vista also supports DirectX 9.

Here again, I'll give the Microsoft guys come credit. DirecX10 is a big improvement for the gamers. It's still not going to make your PC the equal of a dedicated game console, however.

The folks from ExtremeTech also like the fact that Vista will have many more built-in applications. Isn't this why Microsoft got into trouble with the Department of Justice a while back? Isn't this the kind of thing that has both South Korea and the European Union raking them over the coals? Why, yes. Yes, it is.

Be that as it may, as I sit here looking at my SUSE 10 Linux desktop, I can't help but notice that I have, for free, every software application I could ever want. Advantage: Linux.

At the end of the story, the ExtremeTech crew 'fesses up that "We don't know that it's going to be great just yet." True. And, I don't know that it's going to suck yet, either.

Expensive? Yes. Awful? We'll see.

What I do know, is that I really don't see a thing, not one single thing, that will make the still undelivered Vista significantly better than the Linux or the Mac OS X desktops I have in front of me today.


-- Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols


To read this article with the links Enabled, Click HERE!

I for one am curious what MS plans on charging for the various versions of Vista...

Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Kitform
Bar Maid

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2005
Posts: 2011
Location: Cleveland. UK.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Pros and Cons of Windows Vista

It's like when Windows 98 was released, the Windows 95 computer could hardly cope, an upgrade was required then.

Vista looks as though it needs a computer with a bit more 'poke' than we currently use for games just to run the OS. Shocked Shocked
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Uhu_Fledermaus
Aircraft Demolition Expert

Offline Offline
Joined: Nov 28, 2004
Posts: 4369
Location: Blaricum, The Netherlands ~GMT+1
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Pros and Cons of Windows Vista

It's like when Windows 98 was released, the Windows 95 computer could hardly cope, an upgrade was required then.

Vista looks as though it needs a computer with a bit more 'poke' than we currently use for games just to run the OS. Shocked Shocked


your right Kit, have had alook at the "requirements" for fsX.

you'll need the most elaborate version of Vista to run it properly, the system to run that will set you back at nowaday prices something like 3,000 of your local currency.......................................not a pretty prospect to look forward to Sad

fled
Sad
Back to top
View user's profile ICQ Number MSN Messenger Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Revive this topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  Software
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours

Archive Revive
Username:
This is an archived topic - your reply will not be appended here.
Instead, a new topic will be generated in the active forum.
The new topic will provide a reference link to this archived topic.