±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 275
Total: 275
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Downloads
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: Home
08: Home
09: Home
10: Home
11: Community Forums
12: Home
13: Photo Gallery
14: Home
15: Community Forums
16: Member Screenshots
17: Community Forums
18: News
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Home
24: Downloads
25: Statistics
26: Community Forums
27: Statistics
28: Statistics
29: Photo Gallery
30: Community Forums
31: Home
32: Home
33: Community Forums
34: Home
35: Home
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Photo Gallery
40: Home
41: Statistics
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: News Archive
45: Community Forums
46: Home
47: Statistics
48: Home
49: News
50: Community Forums
51: Home
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: News Archive
57: Home
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Statistics
61: Community Forums
62: Downloads
63: Member Screenshots
64: Community Forums
65: Photo Gallery
66: Community Forums
67: Photo Gallery
68: Community Forums
69: Photo Gallery
70: Community Forums
71: Photo Gallery
72: Community Forums
73: Home
74: Home
75: Community Forums
76: News Archive
77: Photo Gallery
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Photo Gallery
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Photo Gallery
85: Photo Gallery
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Photo Gallery
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Home
93: News Archive
94: Community Forums
95: Downloads
96: Home
97: Home
98: Home
99: Home
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Home
107: Downloads
108: Photo Gallery
109: Community Forums
110: Photo Gallery
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Home
116: Photo Gallery
117: Downloads
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Photo Gallery
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Home
129: Photo Gallery
130: Photo Gallery
131: Photo Gallery
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Photo Gallery
135: Member Screenshots
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Home
141: Community Forums
142: Home
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Photo Gallery
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Photo Gallery
160: Photo Gallery
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Photo Gallery
165: Community Forums
166: Photo Gallery
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Home
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Photo Gallery
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Photo Gallery
194: Photo Gallery
195: Community Forums
196: Photo Gallery
197: Home
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Photo Gallery
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Home
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Photo Gallery
215: Home
216: Community Forums
217: Home
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Home
221: Home
222: Community Forums
223: Home
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Downloads
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Your Account
231: Home
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Downloads
237: Community Forums
238: Photo Gallery
239: Photo Gallery
240: Photo Gallery
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Photo Gallery
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Home
255: Photo Gallery
256: Downloads
257: Community Forums
258: Home
259: Home
260: Home
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Home
264: Your Account
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Home
270: Downloads
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Home
274: Community Forums
275: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Blackjack
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:48 pm
Post subject: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

I attempted a few Google searches with little success to see what I could come up with regarding the Hungarian Army's uniforms and equipment circa 1944-45 during the seige of Budapest. Does anyone have any info? I'm aware of the rather expensive Axis-Europe volumes on the Royal Hungarian Army, but their prices put them out of reach for me at present. Thanksin advance for any suggestions.
Back to top
View user's profile
DCCLarke
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 62

PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

Hi Blackjack! Check out this thread on the Axis History Forum:

forum.axishistory.com/...n+uniforms

Do a search and you'll find other threads.

For a good book from the Hungarian viewpoint of the Battle of Budapest, try to buy Krisztian Ungvary's "The Battle for Budapest".

Best Regards,
David
Back to top
View user's profile
Blackjack
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

Thanks David. If the Battle of Budapest is the same as Seige of Budapest then I'm in for a good read soon as I asked my local library to reserve a copy for me which I should get soon. Thanks for the link as well. Might be a good read after reading Norman Davies Uprising '44 about the Warsaw Uprising and Anthony Beevor's Berlin 1945.
Back to top
View user's profile
DCCLarke
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 62

PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

Hi Blackjack! "Seige of Budapest" is a different book, it's by James Lucas but Ungvary wrote the Forward. I haven't read Lucas' book, but I tend to like him as a writer. IMHO, Ungvary's book drags a little in spots, primarily because it was written for a Hungarian audience and doesn't concentrate much on the German units involved. But it can't be beat for telling the story from the Hungarian side.

I was drawn to it because among the units cut off in Budapest was an Hungarian armored unit armed with Zrinyi assault guns, one of my pet obscure armored vehicles in WWII.

Best Regards,
David
Back to top
View user's profile
DCCLarke
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 62

PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

Zyrinyi:



Best,
David
Back to top
View user's profile
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

If you are really cheap, but a member in good standing at your local library, do an Interlibrary Loan of the best books. Pay the shipping charges, read cover to cover and make colour photocopies of everything you think might be needed later on.
Back to top
View user's profile
Blackjack
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:41 am
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

Thanks for the suggestion, but the book is put out by a small publisher, and although the Library of Congress has two copies, they're not lending it out. I searched interlibrary loan for other libraries that may have it but it being from a small publisher and the subject matter don't seem to help things.
Back to top
View user's profile
Robert_A_Mosher
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

Where was the picture taken? It looks an awful lot like the Italian Semovente SP gun.

Robert A. Mosher
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Blackjack
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

Looks like Kubinka judging from the green.
Back to top
View user's profile
Robert_A_Mosher
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

It does look very like Kubinka. And now that I look at my copy of the catalog I find and entry for a 105mm self propelled gun built on the Turan chassis in 1942, identified as "40/43M Erini"

Thanks!!

Robert A. Mosher
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
DCCLarke
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 62

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:41 am
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

The Italians had an active Military Advisory Mission in Hungary during the war, I've always thought that had something to do with the Zrinyi's similarity to the Semovente. Only about 62 Zrinyis were actually prduced, but they did see battle against the Soviets and Rumanians.

Best,
David
Back to top
View user's profile
Robert_A_Mosher
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

David -
Interesting about the Italians being in Hungary, I didn't know that - of course, I suspect that there's also some simple engineering convergence going on here. You give different engineers the same kind of problem and the answers are going to look pretty much alike. There's a certain general similarity to the German selfpropelled guns as well.

Robert A. Mosher
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
David_Reasoner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 127
Location: South Central Kentucky
PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

- Robert_A_Mosher
David -
Interesting about the Italians being in Hungary, I didn't know that - of course, I suspect that there's also some simple engineering convergence going on here. You give different engineers the same kind of problem and the answers are going to look pretty much alike. There's a certain general similarity to the German selfpropelled guns as well.

Robert A. Mosher


The Italians were very influential in the Hungarian military during the war. The first AFV's purchased by the Hungarian Army were L3/33 tankettes. Likewise, the Hungarian Air Force used largely Italian aircraft at the start of the war, Fiat CR.32 and CR.42 fighters, Caproni Ca.135 bombers. The wartime Hungarian-built Heja fighter was a license built derivative of the Italian Re.2000 fighter.

David
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum