±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 344
Total: 344
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: News Archive
04: Community Forums
05: Member Screenshots
06: Community Forums
07: Member Screenshots
08: Member Screenshots
09: Downloads
10: Member Screenshots
11: Community Forums
12: Treasury
13: Member Screenshots
14: Downloads
15: Member Screenshots
16: Community Forums
17: Photo Gallery
18: Community Forums
19: Home
20: Home
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Member Screenshots
24: Downloads
25: Photo Gallery
26: Member Screenshots
27: Community Forums
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Your Account
32: Community Forums
33: Home
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Home
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Member Screenshots
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Downloads
46: Member Screenshots
47: Member Screenshots
48: Community Forums
49: Photo Gallery
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Home
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Member Screenshots
59: Home
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Home
65: Member Screenshots
66: Community Forums
67: Photo Gallery
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Home
81: Community Forums
82: Member Screenshots
83: News Archive
84: Member Screenshots
85: Member Screenshots
86: Community Forums
87: Home
88: Home
89: Community Forums
90: Statistics
91: Community Forums
92: Member Screenshots
93: Photo Gallery
94: Community Forums
95: Home
96: Downloads
97: Home
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Member Screenshots
101: Photo Gallery
102: Member Screenshots
103: Community Forums
104: Member Screenshots
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Photo Gallery
108: Photo Gallery
109: Home
110: Member Screenshots
111: Home
112: Community Forums
113: Your Account
114: Home
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Home
118: Community Forums
119: Member Screenshots
120: Community Forums
121: Home
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Photo Gallery
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Home
130: Community Forums
131: Home
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Home
137: Member Screenshots
138: Community Forums
139: Home
140: Home
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Downloads
144: Downloads
145: Community Forums
146: Home
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Photo Gallery
150: Community Forums
151: Home
152: Home
153: Community Forums
154: Home
155: Member Screenshots
156: Member Screenshots
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Member Screenshots
161: Member Screenshots
162: Community Forums
163: Home
164: Community Forums
165: Member Screenshots
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Photo Gallery
172: News Archive
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Member Screenshots
177: Home
178: Community Forums
179: Your Account
180: Home
181: Photo Gallery
182: Community Forums
183: Member Screenshots
184: Home
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: News Archive
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Member Screenshots
193: Home
194: Community Forums
195: Member Screenshots
196: Statistics
197: Community Forums
198: News
199: Community Forums
200: Downloads
201: Home
202: Photo Gallery
203: Home
204: Photo Gallery
205: Community Forums
206: Downloads
207: News
208: Community Forums
209: Member Screenshots
210: Community Forums
211: Home
212: Community Forums
213: Member Screenshots
214: Member Screenshots
215: Home
216: Community Forums
217: Home
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Downloads
221: Home
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Home
225: Community Forums
226: Member Screenshots
227: Community Forums
228: Member Screenshots
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Downloads
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Downloads
235: Member Screenshots
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Your Account
239: Statistics
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Photo Gallery
243: Home
244: Photo Gallery
245: Community Forums
246: Photo Gallery
247: Home
248: Home
249: Home
250: News
251: Downloads
252: Statistics
253: Community Forums
254: Member Screenshots
255: Photo Gallery
256: Home
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Home
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Photo Gallery
265: Downloads
266: Member Screenshots
267: News Archive
268: Community Forums
269: Home
270: Statistics
271: Member Screenshots
272: Member Screenshots
273: Community Forums
274: Member Screenshots
275: Home
276: Downloads
277: Home
278: Home
279: Statistics
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Home
283: Home
284: Home
285: Home
286: Community Forums
287: Member Screenshots
288: Member Screenshots
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Home
294: Home
295: Community Forums
296: Downloads
297: Community Forums
298: Home
299: Home
300: Member Screenshots
301: News Archive
302: News Archive
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Member Screenshots
309: Home
310: Photo Gallery
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Photo Gallery
314: Community Forums
315: Home
316: Home
317: Member Screenshots
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Downloads
321: Community Forums
322: Member Screenshots
323: Community Forums
324: Downloads
325: Photo Gallery
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Home
330: News
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Downloads
334: Home
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Home
340: Community Forums
341: Home
342: Downloads
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Blackjack
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:48 pm
Post subject: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

I attempted a few Google searches with little success to see what I could come up with regarding the Hungarian Army's uniforms and equipment circa 1944-45 during the seige of Budapest. Does anyone have any info? I'm aware of the rather expensive Axis-Europe volumes on the Royal Hungarian Army, but their prices put them out of reach for me at present. Thanksin advance for any suggestions.
Back to top
View user's profile
DCCLarke
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 62

PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

Hi Blackjack! Check out this thread on the Axis History Forum:

forum.axishistory.com/...n+uniforms

Do a search and you'll find other threads.

For a good book from the Hungarian viewpoint of the Battle of Budapest, try to buy Krisztian Ungvary's "The Battle for Budapest".

Best Regards,
David
Back to top
View user's profile
Blackjack
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

Thanks David. If the Battle of Budapest is the same as Seige of Budapest then I'm in for a good read soon as I asked my local library to reserve a copy for me which I should get soon. Thanks for the link as well. Might be a good read after reading Norman Davies Uprising '44 about the Warsaw Uprising and Anthony Beevor's Berlin 1945.
Back to top
View user's profile
DCCLarke
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 62

PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

Hi Blackjack! "Seige of Budapest" is a different book, it's by James Lucas but Ungvary wrote the Forward. I haven't read Lucas' book, but I tend to like him as a writer. IMHO, Ungvary's book drags a little in spots, primarily because it was written for a Hungarian audience and doesn't concentrate much on the German units involved. But it can't be beat for telling the story from the Hungarian side.

I was drawn to it because among the units cut off in Budapest was an Hungarian armored unit armed with Zrinyi assault guns, one of my pet obscure armored vehicles in WWII.

Best Regards,
David
Back to top
View user's profile
DCCLarke
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 62

PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

Zyrinyi:



Best,
David
Back to top
View user's profile
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

If you are really cheap, but a member in good standing at your local library, do an Interlibrary Loan of the best books. Pay the shipping charges, read cover to cover and make colour photocopies of everything you think might be needed later on.
Back to top
View user's profile
Blackjack
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:41 am
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

Thanks for the suggestion, but the book is put out by a small publisher, and although the Library of Congress has two copies, they're not lending it out. I searched interlibrary loan for other libraries that may have it but it being from a small publisher and the subject matter don't seem to help things.
Back to top
View user's profile
Robert_A_Mosher
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

Where was the picture taken? It looks an awful lot like the Italian Semovente SP gun.

Robert A. Mosher
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Blackjack
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

Looks like Kubinka judging from the green.
Back to top
View user's profile
Robert_A_Mosher
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

It does look very like Kubinka. And now that I look at my copy of the catalog I find and entry for a 105mm self propelled gun built on the Turan chassis in 1942, identified as "40/43M Erini"

Thanks!!

Robert A. Mosher
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
DCCLarke
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 62

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:41 am
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

The Italians had an active Military Advisory Mission in Hungary during the war, I've always thought that had something to do with the Zrinyi's similarity to the Semovente. Only about 62 Zrinyis were actually prduced, but they did see battle against the Soviets and Rumanians.

Best,
David
Back to top
View user's profile
Robert_A_Mosher
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

David -
Interesting about the Italians being in Hungary, I didn't know that - of course, I suspect that there's also some simple engineering convergence going on here. You give different engineers the same kind of problem and the answers are going to look pretty much alike. There's a certain general similarity to the German selfpropelled guns as well.

Robert A. Mosher
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
David_Reasoner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 127
Location: South Central Kentucky
PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Hungarian Army circa '44-'45/Seige of Budapest?

- Robert_A_Mosher
David -
Interesting about the Italians being in Hungary, I didn't know that - of course, I suspect that there's also some simple engineering convergence going on here. You give different engineers the same kind of problem and the answers are going to look pretty much alike. There's a certain general similarity to the German selfpropelled guns as well.

Robert A. Mosher


The Italians were very influential in the Hungarian military during the war. The first AFV's purchased by the Hungarian Army were L3/33 tankettes. Likewise, the Hungarian Air Force used largely Italian aircraft at the start of the war, Fiat CR.32 and CR.42 fighters, Caproni Ca.135 bombers. The wartime Hungarian-built Heja fighter was a license built derivative of the Italian Re.2000 fighter.

David
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum