±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 697
Total: 697
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Downloads
02: Home
03: Member Screenshots
04: Community Forums
05: Home
06: Home
07: Photo Gallery
08: Home
09: Home
10: Member Screenshots
11: Community Forums
12: Member Screenshots
13: Downloads
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Photo Gallery
18: Home
19: Community Forums
20: Photo Gallery
21: Photo Gallery
22: Home
23: Home
24: Home
25: Photo Gallery
26: Community Forums
27: Photo Gallery
28: Member Screenshots
29: Photo Gallery
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Photo Gallery
33: Member Screenshots
34: Photo Gallery
35: Photo Gallery
36: Member Screenshots
37: Home
38: Home
39: Community Forums
40: Home
41: Home
42: Photo Gallery
43: Home
44: Community Forums
45: Photo Gallery
46: Home
47: Downloads
48: Downloads
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Home
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Home
58: Photo Gallery
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Downloads
62: Member Screenshots
63: Community Forums
64: Photo Gallery
65: Downloads
66: Community Forums
67: Home
68: Home
69: Home
70: Downloads
71: Your Account
72: News Archive
73: Photo Gallery
74: Photo Gallery
75: Photo Gallery
76: Photo Gallery
77: News Archive
78: Home
79: News
80: Home
81: Member Screenshots
82: Downloads
83: Photo Gallery
84: Member Screenshots
85: Home
86: Home
87: News
88: Photo Gallery
89: Downloads
90: Home
91: Home
92: Photo Gallery
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Member Screenshots
98: Home
99: Community Forums
100: Member Screenshots
101: Home
102: Community Forums
103: Photo Gallery
104: Member Screenshots
105: Community Forums
106: Photo Gallery
107: Community Forums
108: Home
109: Community Forums
110: Home
111: Downloads
112: Downloads
113: Community Forums
114: Home
115: Home
116: Home
117: Community Forums
118: Your Account
119: Downloads
120: Member Screenshots
121: Photo Gallery
122: Photo Gallery
123: Member Screenshots
124: Downloads
125: Member Screenshots
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Photo Gallery
129: Home
130: Photo Gallery
131: Community Forums
132: Member Screenshots
133: Home
134: Community Forums
135: Home
136: Home
137: Community Forums
138: Photo Gallery
139: Community Forums
140: Member Screenshots
141: Community Forums
142: Photo Gallery
143: Community Forums
144: Statistics
145: Community Forums
146: Member Screenshots
147: Community Forums
148: Home
149: Home
150: Home
151: Community Forums
152: Home
153: Community Forums
154: Home
155: Home
156: Home
157: Member Screenshots
158: Home
159: Home
160: Community Forums
161: Home
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Home
165: Community Forums
166: Home
167: Member Screenshots
168: Downloads
169: Home
170: Member Screenshots
171: Home
172: Community Forums
173: Home
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Home
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Home
183: Home
184: Photo Gallery
185: Community Forums
186: Member Screenshots
187: Home
188: Home
189: Member Screenshots
190: Downloads
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Member Screenshots
194: Photo Gallery
195: Community Forums
196: Photo Gallery
197: Member Screenshots
198: Photo Gallery
199: Member Screenshots
200: Downloads
201: News Archive
202: Home
203: Community Forums
204: Home
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Downloads
208: Community Forums
209: Home
210: Downloads
211: Photo Gallery
212: Home
213: Home
214: Member Screenshots
215: Photo Gallery
216: Home
217: Photo Gallery
218: Downloads
219: Photo Gallery
220: Home
221: Community Forums
222: Home
223: Home
224: Community Forums
225: Home
226: Member Screenshots
227: Downloads
228: Community Forums
229: Member Screenshots
230: Home
231: Member Screenshots
232: Community Forums
233: Home
234: Home
235: Photo Gallery
236: Home
237: Community Forums
238: Member Screenshots
239: Photo Gallery
240: Photo Gallery
241: Home
242: Community Forums
243: Statistics
244: Community Forums
245: Home
246: Home
247: Home
248: Home
249: Community Forums
250: Home
251: News Archive
252: Home
253: Home
254: Photo Gallery
255: Community Forums
256: Home
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Member Screenshots
260: Home
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Downloads
264: Home
265: Community Forums
266: Downloads
267: Member Screenshots
268: Photo Gallery
269: Downloads
270: Photo Gallery
271: Home
272: Downloads
273: Photo Gallery
274: Member Screenshots
275: Home
276: Member Screenshots
277: Community Forums
278: Home
279: Home
280: Downloads
281: Home
282: Photo Gallery
283: Home
284: Home
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Member Screenshots
288: Home
289: Photo Gallery
290: Home
291: Home
292: Downloads
293: Downloads
294: Photo Gallery
295: Community Forums
296: Member Screenshots
297: Community Forums
298: Home
299: Community Forums
300: Home
301: Home
302: Photo Gallery
303: Downloads
304: Home
305: Photo Gallery
306: Community Forums
307: Member Screenshots
308: Home
309: Member Screenshots
310: Home
311: Home
312: Home
313: Home
314: Community Forums
315: Home
316: Member Screenshots
317: Community Forums
318: Photo Gallery
319: Home
320: Photo Gallery
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Downloads
324: Home
325: Photo Gallery
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Photo Gallery
330: Home
331: Home
332: Home
333: Community Forums
334: Home
335: Community Forums
336: Home
337: Photo Gallery
338: Home
339: News
340: Home
341: Home
342: Home
343: Member Screenshots
344: Photo Gallery
345: Photo Gallery
346: Home
347: Community Forums
348: Home
349: Member Screenshots
350: Community Forums
351: Member Screenshots
352: Member Screenshots
353: Photo Gallery
354: Home
355: Downloads
356: Home
357: Home
358: Home
359: Home
360: Home
361: Member Screenshots
362: Your Account
363: Home
364: Photo Gallery
365: Member Screenshots
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: Downloads
370: Community Forums
371: Member Screenshots
372: Home
373: Photo Gallery
374: Home
375: Home
376: Home
377: Community Forums
378: Photo Gallery
379: Downloads
380: Home
381: Community Forums
382: Member Screenshots
383: Home
384: News
385: Community Forums
386: Member Screenshots
387: Community Forums
388: Photo Gallery
389: Community Forums
390: Photo Gallery
391: Member Screenshots
392: Home
393: Photo Gallery
394: Home
395: Photo Gallery
396: Downloads
397: Community Forums
398: Home
399: Home
400: Home
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Your Account
404: Photo Gallery
405: Home
406: Community Forums
407: Home
408: Downloads
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Downloads
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Home
415: Home
416: Home
417: Home
418: Home
419: Home
420: Community Forums
421: Member Screenshots
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Home
425: Member Screenshots
426: Community Forums
427: Downloads
428: Home
429: Home
430: Home
431: Member Screenshots
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Statistics
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Photo Gallery
438: Home
439: Member Screenshots
440: Community Forums
441: Photo Gallery
442: Home
443: Downloads
444: Community Forums
445: Home
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Member Screenshots
449: Home
450: Community Forums
451: Photo Gallery
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Home
456: Home
457: Member Screenshots
458: Downloads
459: Home
460: Photo Gallery
461: Home
462: Community Forums
463: Home
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Photo Gallery
467: Home
468: Home
469: Photo Gallery
470: Your Account
471: Home
472: Community Forums
473: Home
474: Photo Gallery
475: Community Forums
476: Downloads
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Photo Gallery
483: Downloads
484: Community Forums
485: Home
486: Home
487: Community Forums
488: Home
489: Home
490: Home
491: Statistics
492: Member Screenshots
493: Home
494: News
495: Community Forums
496: Member Screenshots
497: Home
498: Photo Gallery
499: Downloads
500: Community Forums
501: Member Screenshots
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Home
505: Home
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Photo Gallery
509: Home
510: Home
511: Downloads
512: Community Forums
513: Photo Gallery
514: Community Forums
515: Member Screenshots
516: Community Forums
517: Member Screenshots
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Downloads
521: Home
522: Member Screenshots
523: Home
524: Community Forums
525: Member Screenshots
526: Home
527: Photo Gallery
528: Community Forums
529: Home
530: Home
531: Home
532: Member Screenshots
533: Home
534: Community Forums
535: Home
536: Downloads
537: Home
538: Photo Gallery
539: Community Forums
540: Member Screenshots
541: Home
542: Photo Gallery
543: Downloads
544: Community Forums
545: Your Account
546: Community Forums
547: Home
548: Home
549: Home
550: Photo Gallery
551: Community Forums
552: Home
553: Home
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Member Screenshots
557: Community Forums
558: Community Forums
559: Home
560: Home
561: Downloads
562: Downloads
563: Home
564: Downloads
565: Photo Gallery
566: Photo Gallery
567: Home
568: Home
569: Member Screenshots
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Member Screenshots
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Member Screenshots
576: Community Forums
577: Community Forums
578: Photo Gallery
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Photo Gallery
582: Downloads
583: Home
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Home
587: Photo Gallery
588: Photo Gallery
589: Photo Gallery
590: Community Forums
591: Community Forums
592: Home
593: Downloads
594: Community Forums
595: Community Forums
596: Home
597: Member Screenshots
598: Home
599: Member Screenshots
600: Member Screenshots
601: Home
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: Downloads
605: Community Forums
606: Home
607: Community Forums
608: Home
609: Community Forums
610: Home
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Home
614: Downloads
615: Community Forums
616: Member Screenshots
617: Home
618: Community Forums
619: Member Screenshots
620: Home
621: Home
622: Member Screenshots
623: Home
624: Community Forums
625: Home
626: Community Forums
627: Photo Gallery
628: Member Screenshots
629: Community Forums
630: Home
631: Community Forums
632: Home
633: Downloads
634: Community Forums
635: Home
636: Community Forums
637: Member Screenshots
638: Member Screenshots
639: Community Forums
640: Home
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Member Screenshots
645: Member Screenshots
646: Photo Gallery
647: Member Screenshots
648: Community Forums
649: Home
650: Community Forums
651: Home
652: Photo Gallery
653: Community Forums
654: Community Forums
655: Home
656: Home
657: Home
658: Community Forums
659: Community Forums
660: Home
661: Downloads
662: Downloads
663: Downloads
664: Home
665: News Archive
666: Community Forums
667: Home
668: Community Forums
669: Member Screenshots
670: Community Forums
671: Home
672: Photo Gallery
673: Photo Gallery
674: Home
675: Home
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Photo Gallery
679: Home
680: Community Forums
681: Home
682: Downloads
683: Member Screenshots
684: Home
685: Member Screenshots
686: Member Screenshots
687: Downloads
688: Home
689: Photo Gallery
690: Home
691: Community Forums
692: Photo Gallery
693: Community Forums
694: Home
695: Photo Gallery
696: Downloads
697: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Kerry_Brunner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:57 pm
Post subject: Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI

I'm looking for photos and/or drawings of the Canadian Autocar MG Carrier used by the CEF during WWI. Can anyone help?

Kerry

nailcreek @ hotmail.com
Back to top
View user's profile
J.McGillivray
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 149

PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:51 am
Post subject: Re: Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI

The armoured Autocar was used by the 1st Canadian Motor Machine-gun Brigade. The unit had its first parade on the 2nd of Sept, 1914, making it the first armoured unit in the British Commonwealth. The following is from the book ‘Worthy� by LarryWorthington:

“The 1st Canadian Motor Machine-Gun Brigade was the brilliant brain-child of Raymond Brutinel, a former French Army officer. It was believed he had been one of those persecuted during the Dreyfus case, and had left France in consequence. An engineer, he was living in Canada at the outbreak of war and conceived the idea of creating a mobile force having armoured protection. It was a revolutionary idea, but he managed to raise money privately, Sir Clifford Sifton and Sir John Eaton being among those who contributed substantially.

“The Minister of Defence having approved the force, Brutinel went to the United States and bought a number of delivery trucks called Autocars, quantities of light armour plate from Bethlehem Steel, and machine-guns from the Colt factory at Hartford, Connecticut. It was illegal to ship arms to Canada, and Germans working in the factory did their best to prevent it. But in spite of them, the guns were smuggled out of the factory and across the border, arriving intact at Lansdowne Park in Ottawa where the unit was to assemble.

“Brutinel then advertised for recruits for an armoured automobile brigade, and flocking to enlist were mining men from the North Country, who could turn a hand to anything. (Among them was Fred Thompson of Haileybury, who had fought in the Honduras Navy six years before.)

“With Major Brutinel in command the 1st Canadian Automobile Brigade, four batteries strong, sailed for England December, 1914. The batteries were named for their sponsors: two Sifton, one Eaton and one Borden. Later a fifth was added, the Yukon Battery, recruited in Dawson City and equipped by the famous Yukoner, Joe Boyle. Shortly after arriving in England the name of the unit was changed to the 1st Canadian Motor Machine-Gun Brigade.

“The Brigade went to France in 1915, but armoured cars as fighting machines were useless in trench warfare. The vehicles were nearly scrapped, but Brutinel fought to keep them, using them for supplies and administrative work. Gradually he increased his mechanized transport with lorries.

“Brutinel was a truly brilliant soldier. He introduced the idea of machine-gunners fighting as a unit instead of a gun here and a gun there. He developed a system called "interlocking defensive cross-fire" which was devastating to an enemy. Also, using massed machine-guns, he trained gunners to shoot from a map over the heads of allied troops, like artillery. (indirect fire).

“The doctrines of the 1st Canadian Motors made military history, and the unit was used to demonstrate to the British General Staff what could be done. Before long a Canadian Machine-Gun Corps was authorized with Brutinel, promoted to brigadier general, in command. Later machine-gun battalions were formed.

“The 1st Canadian Motor Machine-Gun Brigade saw considerable action, but it wasn't until March, 1918, that they went into battle in the role in which they were originally conceived.

“On March 21st, under the command of Colonel W. K. Walker, the Motors were ordered to move up to the Somme to support the British 5th Army. The armoured cars were renovated and the Canadians, as a mobile unit, more than justified their existence - fighting a rear-guard action in the March Retreat that defeated the British 5th Army.
“Previously Brutinel had convinced General Currie that there was a definite role for a large completely mechanized force, and this operation confirmed it. The outcome was the formation of a 2nd motor machine-gun brigade and authorization for a mobile formation under the command of Brigadier General Brutinel, named the Canadian Independent Force. Besides the two motor machine-gun brigades (which were actually battalions), the Force comprised one battery of field artillery, one field company of engineers, one battalion of cyclists, and a mortar unit. Motor bikes were used by signallers, despatch riders, and also for reconnaissance.

“The Canadian Independent Force was the first mechanized formation in the Commonwealth armies and a forerunner of the armoured division. They fought their first major engagement on August 8th, 1918, and thereafter saw almost continuous action until the Armistice.�









www.rcaca.org/En/indexLM.asp?ID=20
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:25 am
Post subject: Re: Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI

Could this be the first "guntruck"?

Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Kerry_Brunner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:55 am
Post subject: Re: Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI

Somewhere I seem to recall that there was one in a museum somewhere ... is this true??
Back to top
View user's profile
J.McGillivray
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 149

PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:41 am
Post subject: Re: Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI

There is an armoured Autocar on display in the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa.

www.warmuseum.ca/cwm/cwme.asp
Back to top
View user's profile
Kerry_Brunner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:50 am
Post subject: Re: Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI

Thanks ... has anyone ever done a full series of photos and drawings? This one would be a lot of fun to build in 1/35th or 1/16th scale!
Back to top
View user's profile
J.McGillivray
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 149

PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:01 am
Post subject: Re: Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI

The Canadian war diaries from the First World War are on line at Archivianet. Here are the diaries of the Motor MG units:

data4.collectionscanad...ml&r=0&f=S
Back to top
View user's profile
J.McGillivray
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 149

PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:07 am
Post subject: Re: Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI

You can order 1/35 scale drawings from George Bradford on the original AFV News site. It is C-28.

www.afvnews.ca/1-35g.html
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:47 pm
Post subject: Re: Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI

Here is a picture of the CWM's MG carrier at Vimy House back in April 2004.



Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
J.McGillivray
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 149

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:33 am
Post subject: Re: Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI

Here are some photos of the Autocar at the Canadian War museum which I took yesterday. (Note that the white rectangle on the side of the Autocar is just a sign put up by the CWM asking people not to climb on the vehicle.)













Back to top
View user's profile
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:39 am
Post subject: Re: Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI

www.warmuseum.ca/cwm/l...ery_e.html

The URL to the CWM posted previously is the generic entry point. This is a more specific, but not much better part of their site.
Back to top
View user's profile
J.McGillivray
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 149

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI

Here is an article about the history of the Canada’s first armoured unit.

www.wlu.ca/lcmsds/cmh/...%20War.pdf
Back to top
View user's profile
BruceClark
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 109

PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:07 pm
Post subject: Re: Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI

FYI
Clive Law of Service Publications recently published a book all about the Autocar, relying heavily on the Worthy's preserved car in CWM. Includes scale drawings:

www.perthmilitarymodel...ow017.html

Cheers!
Bruce
Back to top
View user's profile
Jim_Coles
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 56

PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Canadian Autocar MG Carrier - WWI

There's also an article with photos and 1:48 plans in AFV News Vol 42-1 (Jan-Apr 2007) which is available as a back copy on George's AFV News site. Note that the list of available issues isn't up to date, but the snailmail and e-mail contact addresses are there.
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum