±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 331
Total: 331
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Home
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Your Account
07: Community Forums
08: Home
09: Community Forums
10: Home
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Photo Gallery
16: Home
17: Community Forums
18: Home
19: Your Account
20: Home
21: Photo Gallery
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Photo Gallery
26: Community Forums
27: Home
28: Photo Gallery
29: Photo Gallery
30: Home
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Photo Gallery
35: Photo Gallery
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Photo Gallery
40: Photo Gallery
41: Community Forums
42: Photo Gallery
43: Downloads
44: Photo Gallery
45: Community Forums
46: Photo Gallery
47: Community Forums
48: Downloads
49: Statistics
50: Community Forums
51: Photo Gallery
52: Community Forums
53: Home
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Photo Gallery
57: Photo Gallery
58: Photo Gallery
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: News Archive
63: Your Account
64: Community Forums
65: Home
66: Community Forums
67: Photo Gallery
68: Home
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Home
72: Community Forums
73: Photo Gallery
74: News Archive
75: News Archive
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Home
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: News Archive
82: Home
83: Community Forums
84: News Archive
85: Home
86: Home
87: Home
88: Home
89: Community Forums
90: Home
91: Home
92: Home
93: Home
94: Member Screenshots
95: Home
96: Downloads
97: Community Forums
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Downloads
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Home
106: Member Screenshots
107: Community Forums
108: Member Screenshots
109: Community Forums
110: Home
111: Home
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Member Screenshots
115: Community Forums
116: Downloads
117: Member Screenshots
118: Community Forums
119: Home
120: Home
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Member Screenshots
127: Community Forums
128: Statistics
129: News Archive
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: News Archive
134: Community Forums
135: News
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Home
141: Photo Gallery
142: Home
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Photo Gallery
152: Community Forums
153: Photo Gallery
154: Member Screenshots
155: Photo Gallery
156: Community Forums
157: News Archive
158: Member Screenshots
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Home
163: Home
164: Community Forums
165: Home
166: Home
167: Community Forums
168: Member Screenshots
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Home
172: Home
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Downloads
176: News Archive
177: Downloads
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Member Screenshots
181: Community Forums
182: Photo Gallery
183: Photo Gallery
184: Home
185: Statistics
186: Photo Gallery
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Home
190: Home
191: Photo Gallery
192: Photo Gallery
193: Community Forums
194: Photo Gallery
195: Community Forums
196: Downloads
197: Member Screenshots
198: Downloads
199: News
200: Photo Gallery
201: Community Forums
202: Photo Gallery
203: Photo Gallery
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Home
211: Home
212: Photo Gallery
213: Photo Gallery
214: Photo Gallery
215: Home
216: Home
217: Community Forums
218: Member Screenshots
219: Downloads
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Home
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Home
227: LinkToUs
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Home
231: Community Forums
232: Home
233: Home
234: Home
235: Community Forums
236: Home
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Photo Gallery
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Home
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Home
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Photo Gallery
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: News Archive
266: Home
267: News Archive
268: Home
269: Home
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Your Account
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Downloads
277: Home
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Photo Gallery
282: Community Forums
283: Member Screenshots
284: Photo Gallery
285: Community Forums
286: Member Screenshots
287: Photo Gallery
288: Community Forums
289: Downloads
290: Community Forums
291: Photo Gallery
292: Member Screenshots
293: Member Screenshots
294: Home
295: News
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Photo Gallery
299: Photo Gallery
300: Photo Gallery
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Photo Gallery
305: News
306: Community Forums
307: Member Screenshots
308: Community Forums
309: Photo Gallery
310: Member Screenshots
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Photo Gallery
315: Home
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Downloads
319: Home
320: Downloads
321: Home
322: Photo Gallery
323: News
324: Downloads
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Photo Gallery
328: Community Forums
329: Photo Gallery
330: Home
331: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Is this an M60A3?...
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:35 am
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

and i guess i am not understanding how the aluminum wheels would or would not correspond to the M142 tracks?
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
C_Sherman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 590

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:07 am
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

- SHAWN
okay, someone clue me in, how can you tell they are aluminum wheels?


The aluminum wheels have tri-angular reinforments around the inside rim, while the steel wheels do not. The steel wheels also have a lip around the inside rim, which has challenged model makers to depict correctly over the last few years.

Properly depicted, both types would have a shiny area on the inside surfaces of the roadwheel set, where the track center guides would rub them.

To answer another question, there was no relationship between the type of track and the type of roadwheels on a particular tank or model of tank. The newer type track was often fitted to older M60 and M60A1s, even those with aluminum roadwheels.

C

_________________
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it
will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
-Herm Albright

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:09 am
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

Hi Shawn! Hi Folks!

- SHAWN
and i guess i am not understanding how the aluminum wheels would or would not correspond to the M142 tracks?


That was an "Alertness Test" to see if anyone was paying attention to my flub up. Rolling Eyes

I don't why, but I was thinking that by the time the hex pad track came into service, the switch back to steel road wheels was done. Sad

I still think it is a bit odd that by the time a M-60A3 retired, one would still have a full set of aluminum wheels.
There is a M-60 here at Ft. Bliss that has a mix of aluminum and steel road wheels. I remember seeing photos of retired M-60A2s with all steel wheels. If a M-60 and some M-60A2s had been upgraded with steel wheels, now is it that a vehicle which retired much later ended up with a fill set of aluminum?

My misguided 2 cents.
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:39 am
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

I still think it is a bit odd that by the time a M-60A3 retired, one would still have a full set of aluminum wheels.


Not odd at all. Remember, a large number of M60A3 tanks were in the National Guard as well as the Reserves (when they still had tanks). These tanks sat virtually unused at MATES (ARNG) and ECS (USAR) sites at various locations throughout the country. (Virtually unused compared to an active duty tank). They were issued with aluminum road wheels and the wheels never got a chance to be worn out and replaced.

I'm sorry. I should have pointed out that my photo is an 18 year old Polaroid that has started to deteriorate. The compensating idler wheel is aluminum as well as the #3 road wheels (directly below my boots).

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

So I take it the glass-fibre roadwheels never made it into service? Smile

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:33 pm
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

So I take it the glass-fibre roadwheels never made it into service?


Only for the M41 of course :lol



Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
Russ_Buchan
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 26, 2006
Posts: 67

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:50 am
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

Hi, Shawn:

The aluminum wheels are identifiable by the rib-like ridges around the inner circumference of the roadwheels.

Apart from other drawbacks noted above, they messed up the nice swirly pattern of the waterhose at the washrack, where the smooth, non-ribbed M48 wheels cleaned up in a flash. Make that a splash.

Russ
Back to top
View user's profile
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

hello russ and everyone,
i had not known that the wheels for the 60 series were made of aluminum, never considered it, i just knew they were different from the 48 series of wheels, and associated them to either the 48's or 60's. have seen both types on all types of 48's/60's...
roy your question of the track type threw me... (no pun intended)
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
oldtop
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 17, 2006
Posts: 70

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:16 pm
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

Back to top
View user's profile
Tom_Willoughby
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 13

PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

The Wind sensor on an M60A3 was on the left rear turret corner. Grenade launchers were fitted on M60A1s in the late 70s, mine had them. The tank in question has the late thermal shroud like the slick M1s, I've even seen M1 gun tubes with the machined cut for the MRS. The M60A3 never had MRS not in the computer. Here is a picture of my last one with steel road wheels at Fort Drum NY.

Tom Willoughby
Back to top
View user's profile
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2068
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:43 am
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

It figures when I'm out of the loop an M60 discussion comes up,

Great picture Tom. Looks like an early 70's A1 rebuilt to A3. The two heavy lifting eyes on the hull between the 2 and 3 support rollers give it away.
A lot of interesting discussions, especially on the road wheels. Yes, a MATES tank would explain all aluminum road wheels. Some of those tanks never got used. Same problem with the M1's. If there's a problem during AT they get another and it just sits. The comments about the Aluminum wheels not holding up are true. Biggest problem was with the two piece wear plate. They came off real easy which let the center guides eat the wheel up. Then it eventually came off like Rob described. Seen it with 113's too when the wear plate wore out and the crew didn't catch it. Aluminum was not the problem. M1's have aluminum wheels too. But use a one piece wear plate with heavier bolts. Look at the Korean K1. It uses the same aluminum wheel as the 60, but now has a one piece plate. Late in the M60's life the steel hub of the 88 was used when the aluminum was unavailable. Notice how the aluminum hubs to the left and right protrude compared to the steel hub in the center. Aluminum wheels were thicker and would be too wide for the steel hub to mount safely. That's why 48's couldn't use them either.



Steel hubs along with the old friction snubbers from straight 60's, M1 front thermal shrouds, and the 105 tubes that were ground to accept MRS's and whatever else the MATES could use would keep the fleet up. The ground tubes is what led to some web sites saying the A3 had an MRS.
Jeff, Interesting serial number. I believe it should be 4039A. What's different is that someone sloppy welded plates over the stamped numbers. Not normal. Makes it hard to trust the number. especially since the serial number is on the deck. I only trust the rear hull or left front tow eye. Probably done during a local rebuild at DS/GS. Had an M60A1 local rebuild come in at Riley to replace a burned up tank in our platoon, what a pile of junk. Actually had bondo on it to make the sponson boxes look new.
If anyone needs pictures of stuff at the McCoy museum let me know, they have a T95 here that I believe Dontos posted before. Sorry for the long post, but hey, I've missed a lot.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:10 am
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

McCoy isn't too bad when its not arctic cold. The Commemorative Park is pretty cool. Check out the M-1. Its a real low SN.

USO brought in Ted Nugent while I was there, that was cool.

Did you find the Sheridan with the ITV's & the 114's?

Say Hello to FOB Anderson for me...HAHAHA

At least there is High Speed in the Billits now.

Don

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2068
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:40 am
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

Hey Dontos,
I'd rather be here this summer than Camp Justice, or even Camp Shelby. Nope haven't been out to the M551 yet. Been building on range 6. It's not bad, at least we have a real commisary here. Only thing I don't like is the the attitude the locals have towards military once you get away from Post. You drive a vehicle with GSA plates and they'll call you in for fraud any chance they get. One of our guys had his car spit on while he was eating at Pizza Hut. Not very fond of the Military from what I've experienced. Mississippi was a whole lot more friendly.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:53 am
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

Yeah, I forgot about that.

Fishing is good up there.

A good time to build models,.....Keeps you out of trouble.

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2068
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:00 am
Post subject: Re: Is this an M60A3?...

I should be busy anyway. It's the days off that drive you nuts. Don't build models anymore, haven't for years. Might take it up again.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum