±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 693
Total: 693
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Downloads
03: Home
04: Home
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: Home
08: Member Screenshots
09: Home
10: Home
11: Home
12: Home
13: Home
14: Home
15: Home
16: Community Forums
17: Home
18: Home
19: Home
20: Home
21: Community Forums
22: Home
23: Home
24: Home
25: Home
26: Home
27: Home
28: Home
29: Statistics
30: Community Forums
31: Photo Gallery
32: Community Forums
33: News Archive
34: Home
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Home
38: Home
39: Home
40: Photo Gallery
41: Photo Gallery
42: Home
43: Photo Gallery
44: Photo Gallery
45: Home
46: Home
47: Home
48: Home
49: Home
50: Home
51: Community Forums
52: Home
53: Photo Gallery
54: Community Forums
55: Member Screenshots
56: Home
57: Photo Gallery
58: Photo Gallery
59: Photo Gallery
60: Photo Gallery
61: Photo Gallery
62: Home
63: Photo Gallery
64: Home
65: Home
66: Home
67: Home
68: Home
69: Home
70: Home
71: Photo Gallery
72: Photo Gallery
73: Home
74: Home
75: Home
76: Home
77: Home
78: Home
79: Community Forums
80: Photo Gallery
81: Photo Gallery
82: Home
83: Home
84: Home
85: Home
86: Your Account
87: Home
88: Home
89: Home
90: Photo Gallery
91: Home
92: Community Forums
93: Home
94: Home
95: Your Account
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Home
99: Community Forums
100: Home
101: Home
102: News
103: Home
104: Community Forums
105: Photo Gallery
106: News Archive
107: Home
108: Downloads
109: Community Forums
110: Home
111: Home
112: Home
113: Home
114: Home
115: Photo Gallery
116: Home
117: Home
118: Community Forums
119: Home
120: Home
121: Home
122: Home
123: Community Forums
124: Home
125: Community Forums
126: Home
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Home
130: Downloads
131: Community Forums
132: Home
133: Home
134: Home
135: Home
136: Home
137: Home
138: Home
139: Home
140: Home
141: Home
142: Home
143: Community Forums
144: Home
145: Home
146: Home
147: Community Forums
148: Home
149: Community Forums
150: Home
151: Photo Gallery
152: Home
153: Community Forums
154: Home
155: Home
156: Member Screenshots
157: Home
158: Home
159: Home
160: Your Account
161: Home
162: Home
163: Home
164: Community Forums
165: Home
166: Home
167: Home
168: Photo Gallery
169: Photo Gallery
170: Home
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Downloads
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Photo Gallery
177: Home
178: Photo Gallery
179: Home
180: Community Forums
181: Home
182: Photo Gallery
183: Home
184: Home
185: Photo Gallery
186: Home
187: Photo Gallery
188: Home
189: Community Forums
190: Home
191: Community Forums
192: Photo Gallery
193: Home
194: Home
195: Downloads
196: Photo Gallery
197: Member Screenshots
198: Photo Gallery
199: Home
200: Photo Gallery
201: Downloads
202: Photo Gallery
203: Home
204: Home
205: Home
206: Photo Gallery
207: Home
208: Home
209: Community Forums
210: Photo Gallery
211: Photo Gallery
212: Home
213: Downloads
214: Home
215: Home
216: Home
217: Home
218: Home
219: Community Forums
220: Home
221: Home
222: Home
223: Home
224: Home
225: Member Screenshots
226: Downloads
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Home
231: Community Forums
232: Home
233: News
234: Home
235: Community Forums
236: Photo Gallery
237: Home
238: Home
239: Home
240: Community Forums
241: Downloads
242: Home
243: Community Forums
244: Home
245: Home
246: Community Forums
247: Member Screenshots
248: Home
249: Home
250: Member Screenshots
251: Home
252: Community Forums
253: Member Screenshots
254: Home
255: Home
256: Community Forums
257: Home
258: Home
259: Home
260: Home
261: Home
262: Home
263: Home
264: Home
265: Community Forums
266: Home
267: Home
268: Home
269: Member Screenshots
270: Home
271: Community Forums
272: Home
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Member Screenshots
277: Community Forums
278: Home
279: Home
280: Community Forums
281: Home
282: Home
283: Community Forums
284: Home
285: Home
286: Home
287: Home
288: Home
289: Home
290: Home
291: Home
292: Home
293: Home
294: News
295: Home
296: Photo Gallery
297: Downloads
298: Home
299: Home
300: Downloads
301: Home
302: Home
303: Home
304: Home
305: Home
306: Home
307: Home
308: Community Forums
309: Home
310: Member Screenshots
311: Photo Gallery
312: Photo Gallery
313: Community Forums
314: Home
315: Home
316: Member Screenshots
317: Home
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Home
321: Downloads
322: Photo Gallery
323: Downloads
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: News Archive
327: Home
328: Photo Gallery
329: Downloads
330: Home
331: Home
332: Community Forums
333: News Archive
334: Home
335: Home
336: Home
337: Home
338: Home
339: Community Forums
340: Home
341: Photo Gallery
342: Community Forums
343: Home
344: Home
345: Home
346: Home
347: Home
348: Home
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Photo Gallery
354: Home
355: Member Screenshots
356: Home
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Home
360: Home
361: Home
362: Home
363: Home
364: Home
365: Community Forums
366: Home
367: Home
368: Home
369: Home
370: Community Forums
371: Home
372: Home
373: Home
374: Home
375: Photo Gallery
376: Home
377: Home
378: Home
379: Home
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Home
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Home
386: Home
387: Home
388: Home
389: Home
390: Home
391: Home
392: Home
393: Home
394: Home
395: Home
396: Home
397: Home
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Home
401: Home
402: Home
403: Home
404: Home
405: Home
406: Home
407: Home
408: Home
409: Home
410: Home
411: Community Forums
412: Home
413: Home
414: Home
415: Home
416: Downloads
417: Home
418: Home
419: Home
420: Downloads
421: Home
422: Home
423: Home
424: Home
425: Photo Gallery
426: Home
427: Community Forums
428: Home
429: Home
430: Home
431: Community Forums
432: Photo Gallery
433: Home
434: Home
435: Your Account
436: Downloads
437: Photo Gallery
438: Community Forums
439: Home
440: Home
441: Member Screenshots
442: Home
443: Home
444: Home
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Member Screenshots
448: Home
449: Downloads
450: Member Screenshots
451: Home
452: Photo Gallery
453: Downloads
454: Community Forums
455: Home
456: Home
457: Home
458: Home
459: Home
460: Home
461: Downloads
462: Home
463: Home
464: Member Screenshots
465: News
466: Community Forums
467: Home
468: Home
469: Home
470: Photo Gallery
471: Downloads
472: Home
473: Home
474: Home
475: Home
476: Home
477: Home
478: Downloads
479: Home
480: Home
481: Community Forums
482: Home
483: Home
484: Home
485: Home
486: Home
487: Downloads
488: Home
489: Home
490: Home
491: Home
492: Home
493: Home
494: Home
495: Home
496: Community Forums
497: Home
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Home
501: Home
502: Community Forums
503: Home
504: Photo Gallery
505: Community Forums
506: Home
507: Downloads
508: Home
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: News
512: Community Forums
513: Community Forums
514: Photo Gallery
515: Home
516: Home
517: Home
518: Home
519: Home
520: Home
521: Home
522: Home
523: Home
524: Member Screenshots
525: Home
526: Home
527: Home
528: Home
529: Community Forums
530: Home
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Home
535: Community Forums
536: Home
537: Home
538: Home
539: Home
540: Home
541: Community Forums
542: Home
543: Home
544: Home
545: News Archive
546: Home
547: Home
548: Home
549: Home
550: Home
551: Home
552: Photo Gallery
553: Home
554: Home
555: Member Screenshots
556: Photo Gallery
557: Home
558: Home
559: Community Forums
560: Home
561: Home
562: Community Forums
563: Statistics
564: Home
565: Home
566: Home
567: Your Account
568: Home
569: Home
570: Home
571: Home
572: Home
573: Home
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Home
577: Home
578: Community Forums
579: Home
580: Search
581: Photo Gallery
582: Home
583: Home
584: Member Screenshots
585: Community Forums
586: Home
587: Home
588: Photo Gallery
589: Member Screenshots
590: Home
591: Home
592: Home
593: Home
594: Community Forums
595: Home
596: Home
597: Home
598: Home
599: Your Account
600: Home
601: Home
602: Home
603: Community Forums
604: Home
605: Home
606: Community Forums
607: Home
608: Photo Gallery
609: Community Forums
610: Community Forums
611: Home
612: Community Forums
613: Home
614: Home
615: Photo Gallery
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Home
619: Community Forums
620: Home
621: Your Account
622: News Archive
623: Home
624: Community Forums
625: Home
626: Home
627: Home
628: Home
629: Home
630: Community Forums
631: Home
632: Home
633: Member Screenshots
634: Home
635: Home
636: Home
637: Home
638: Community Forums
639: Community Forums
640: Home
641: Home
642: Home
643: Home
644: Home
645: Home
646: Photo Gallery
647: Home
648: Community Forums
649: Home
650: News Archive
651: Downloads
652: Home
653: Home
654: Photo Gallery
655: Home
656: Home
657: Home
658: Home
659: Home
660: Home
661: Home
662: Home
663: Home
664: Community Forums
665: Home
666: Community Forums
667: Home
668: Home
669: Community Forums
670: Home
671: Home
672: Community Forums
673: News Archive
674: Home
675: Home
676: Member Screenshots
677: Community Forums
678: Home
679: Community Forums
680: Home
681: Community Forums
682: Home
683: News
684: Home
685: Home
686: Home
687: Home
688: Home
689: Photo Gallery
690: Home
691: Home
692: Home
693: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Sir Bill ............ ! :: Archived
A general meeting place for all pilots!
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Revive this topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  Officer's Club

Topic Archived View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Uhu_BlueMax
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2005
Posts: 10

PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:34 am
Post subject: Sir Bill ............ !

It was only a matter of time

www.techspot.com/story17076.html

_________________
_________________________

Uns Gehöert Die Nacht!





The Owl's Barn
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website ICQ Number MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger
NS38th_Aristaeus
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 06, 2005
Posts: 394
Location: Pensacola, FL.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:43 am
Post subject: Re: Sir Bill ............ !

Well deserved.
Thanks for the great flt sim's Bill Mr. Green

_________________
CAN'T TALK GOTTA SHOOT.


www.NS38th.com
www.hawaiiclipper.com
www.pacificwrecks.com
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number AIM Address Photo Gallery
Uhu_Fledermaus
Aircraft Demolition Expert

Offline Offline
Joined: Nov 28, 2004
Posts: 4369
Location: Blaricum, The Netherlands ~GMT+1
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:11 am
Post subject: Re: Sir Bill ............ !



I'll probably have missed something, as far as I know that Honour is only bestowed on persons that have done something exceptional for the betterment of the British Empire..........I fail to discover what he has done for the good of the British Empire, except, maybe for trying to empty all our wallets as fast as possible.

Back to top
View user's profile ICQ Number MSN Messenger Photo Gallery
SnwMan0
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 04, 2005
Posts: 293
Location: Mn,USA
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:45 am
Post subject: Re: Sir Bill ............ !

Uhu_Fledermaus wrote:
I'll probably have missed something, as far as I know that Honour is only bestowed on persons that have done something exceptional for the betterment of the British Empire..........I fail to discover what he has done for the good of the British Empire, except, maybe for trying to empty all our wallets as fast as possible.




"(Gates) is one of the most important business leaders of his age. Microsoft technology has transformed business practices and his company has had a profound impact on the British economy." - UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.


Seem's like a much greater good for the British Empire...In my humble opinion.

_________________

Ullus Vicis , Ullus Qua.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website MSN Messenger Photo Gallery
JG300-Stoopy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 5840
Location: Group W bench
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:54 am
Post subject: Re: Sir Bill ............ !

Heck yeah - I think this is great.

And thanks, Snowman......I was about to say the same thing. It's funny how many of his detractors make a living - a pretty good one, when they stick with it long enough - using the very products and tools from a company run by the guy they like to claim to hate. Take those products and tools away and I'd bet the level of griping would rise a fair amount.....

Very occasionally I interview candidates for the position of software engineer - what we used to call programmers back in the day. The ones that make a point of boasting the ever-popular "I hate Bill Gates" attitude have always turned out to have barely-intern level skills at best...just my own observation.

_________________
"Once your reputation is ruined, you can live quite freely."


Last edited by JG300-Stoopy on Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:22 am; edited 3 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
401RCAF_Steveo
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 07, 2005
Posts: 95
Location: Albuquerque
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:50 am
Post subject: Re: Sir Bill ............ !

Somewhere along the line knighthood must have lost its true meaning...Isn't Elton John a knight?

_________________
Back to top
View user's profile
Uhu_BlueMax
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2005
Posts: 10

PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Sir Bill ............ !

The true meaning of Knighthood was lost when we got down off our horses, took off our armour and discarded our swords. Rolling Eyes

I have some gripes with Bill Gates (CFS3 springing to mind .......... Wink ) but getting whopping fines for having an astute business head is quite frightening!? Confused Shocked

Even though I may never agree with anything anybody says, I will fight to the death, for their right to say it Twisted Evil

_________________
_________________________

Uns Gehöert Die Nacht!





The Owl's Barn
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website ICQ Number MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger
JG300-Stoopy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 5840
Location: Group W bench
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Sir Bill ............ !

Damn Straight!

My own support is based on the simplistic viewpoint of Bill Gates as "programmer that done good". I don't think this is arguable, with a coding background beginning in 1971 (not bad considering he was 16 at the time) and first notable contribution being a co-developer of Altair BASIC in 1975 (his friend Paul Allen being the other primary team member).

Here's why event is singularly impressive, in my opinion:
For those not familiar, developing a BASIC language interpreter is far different than writing a program in the simple language called "BASIC" (stands for "Beginners All Purpose Instruction Set"). It means creating the under-the-hood guts that allows a computer to recognize and perform the instructions of that language, and this is done at a much "deeper" level in a much more difficult to use (but kinda fun) language, typically Assembly language or "assembler". I'm assuming this was the approach, common at the time. In other words, somebody's gotta do the dirty work and make the building blocks, in order to make life easier for the next guy.

It was even more difficult at the time since the initial work was done on a system that could only simulate what an Altair computer was like, and they really didn't even know if it would work until they demonstrated it to their prospective cient, Altair (who had published a request of a port - or translation if you prefer - of the existing BASIC language interpreter to their newfangled "microcomputer" system)....and their efforts did work, much to Altairs surprise, who say they had previously witnessed failures of such attemps by fifty previous people!

That's pretty much kicking some some serious coding tail for a kid his age, and you know what....it's stood the test of time & improvement.... friggin' "Visual BASIC" is the modern-day product you can buy off the shelf, and as someone on a developers forum stated so succinctly once, where else can you spend $350 and use that product to snag a $100K/yr job?

Point is, he's more than just a manager-CEO type...he immersed hiimself at the technical level at an early age, and saw the need or opportunity to provide tools and utilities to build applications with or on - even if you consider the tools of the time laughable by todays standards.

And...guys I'm sorry if this seems like ranting. Actually its the first time I've really said much on the subject. I've been programming since 1979 from assembler through all kinds of weirdness up to C++, and have learned enough to know I will never ever ever learn it all. But I sure do get tired of young kids out of college saying they "hate Bill Gates" like he got everything handed to him and didn't make opportunities for others.

As for knighthood, hey who knows huh? Only up to the Brits opinions & say as far as that goes, isn't it? Now, if Michael Jackson were up for Knighthood, I think I'd wanna say somethin' about that....like, cripes can't ya pick someone else from over here to use as an example 'Murcan?

Rumor going 'round is that US Citizens can't actually use the title of "Knight" anyway, I have no idea if that's true or not. I think the title "MicroKnight" has been bandied about plenty already today too, can't see anyone having an issue with that, kinda fitting huh!

Anyway....no he's not god either....and yes I like UNIX and it's derivatives too...... and hey yeah CFS3 was a let-down in ways but there's some other winners in the pile too....but...

Scheiss, lets go fly eh? Smile

S!

_________________
"Once your reputation is ruined, you can live quite freely."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
RAF92_Mustang
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2005
Posts: 422
Location: Just another walk in the clouds.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:35 am
Post subject: Re: Sir Bill ............ !

Wise words Stoopy!
- JG300-Stoopy
Scheiss, lets go fly eh? :):chug:


And I couldnt agree more... Mr. Green

_________________


Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
JG300-Stoopy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 5840
Location: Group W bench
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:03 am
Post subject: Re: Sir Bill ............ !

Yeah...thats what counts.....and sorry for the diatribe, S!

_________________
"Once your reputation is ruined, you can live quite freely."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Shadow_Bshwackr
Janitor

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 21, 2005
Posts: 7020
Location: Central Illinois, USA
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:51 am
Post subject: Re: Sir Bill ............ !

- JG300-Stoopy
Yeah...thats what counts.....and sorry for the diatribe, S!


LOL Stoopy, it wasn't that bad...lol AND..yes, flyin is much better...:jump:
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
JG300-Lurps
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 11, 2005
Posts: 167
Location: In back of the sty .... sighting in my Luger ....
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Sir Bill ............ !


You fellas have gotta forgive Stoopy ..... he's been on a coffee binge
back at the pigsty for a few weeks now ...... he does EVERYTHING in
volumes and EXTREMELY fast if I might add ....... Mr. Green
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Uhu_MAINEiac
Guest





PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:26 am
Post subject: Re: Sir Bill ............ !

My own support is based on the simplistic viewpoint of Bill Gates as "programmer that done good". I don't think this is arguable, with a coding background beginning in 1971 (not bad considering he was 16 at the time) and first notable contribution being a co-developer of Altair BASIC in 1975 (his friend Paul Allen being the other primary team member).


Hate to disagree, but I am the exact same age as Bill Gates and have been programming since about the same time he did. He was in the right place at the right time, but there were any number of hackers that could have accomplished the same thing, given the opportunity and motivation.

While Gates may well be a good programmer, his main skill seems to be recognizing trends in software and systems before anyone else does, and "stealing" the applicable technology and adapting it to the market.

Basic was in the public domain when Gates and Allen ported it to the Altair.
MS-DOS was based on Q-DOS. Gates aquired it for $50K. IBM paid MS$ to develop it into MS-DOS, then GAVE him the rights to it!
Windows GUI technology was "acquired" from XEROX and Apple.

I use the word "stealing" advisedly, since it was all legal, I only mean he fell into a lot of GREAT deals. Skillfull? Maybe, maybe not.

Has Gates been sucessful, sure; is he a superman....I doubt it.
Back to top
Uhu_Fledermaus
Aircraft Demolition Expert

Offline Offline
Joined: Nov 28, 2004
Posts: 4369
Location: Blaricum, The Netherlands ~GMT+1
PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:42 am
Post subject: Re: Sir Bill ............ !

Cool

Herr MAINEiac !!!!

Welcome to Com-Central !!

it's good to see ya !!

please pm me with your most recent details Wink


fled
Mr. Green
Back to top
View user's profile ICQ Number MSN Messenger Photo Gallery
JG300-Stoopy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 5840
Location: Group W bench
PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:47 pm
Post subject: Re: Sir Bill ............ !

Very good points, MAINEiac! I don't see much disagreement and wouldn't have a problem with any, anyhoo. Nice to meet you, anyway!

Opportunity....there's been plenty, and sure you still have to be in the right place at the right time. I haven't met many succesfull people yet who acknowledge some degree of luck in their careers. Motivation....a requirement for success no matter how you cut it! Sure, there were plenty others who could have ported BASIC over for the Altair - and many had already tried and failed. Doubtless others would have also succeeded, as exactly happened.

Great point about IBM too. But hey, word had it that they approached Digital Research first and got nowhere. And then look at MS's involvement with OS/2 and it's clear IBM sure liked to learn the hard way!

I'm a comparitively young pup that started a handful of years after you and Mr. Gates, but I'll be the first to admit to a lack of initiative and so I can't get behind the seemingly jealous mind set out there, is all. However I wouldn't trade my young years of skipping out of school/work to go surfing & chase tail at the beach for anything, so if another country decides to give him knighthood, well hey, farrr out man! Smile

And we're better virtual dogfighters than him anyway, I'd betcha!

_________________
"Once your reputation is ruined, you can live quite freely."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Revive this topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  Officer's Club
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next

Archive Revive
Username:
This is an archived topic - your reply will not be appended here.
Instead, a new topic will be generated in the active forum.
The new topic will provide a reference link to this archived topic.