±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 215
Total: 215
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Home
03: Home
04: Home
05: News Archive
06: Community Forums
07: Home
08: Home
09: Home
10: Community Forums
11: Home
12: Home
13: Home
14: News Archive
15: Home
16: Community Forums
17: Home
18: Downloads
19: Community Forums
20: Statistics
21: Home
22: Community Forums
23: Member Screenshots
24: Photo Gallery
25: Home
26: Downloads
27: Home
28: Community Forums
29: Downloads
30: Home
31: Community Forums
32: Photo Gallery
33: Home
34: Community Forums
35: Home
36: Statistics
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Home
40: Photo Gallery
41: Home
42: Downloads
43: Home
44: Home
45: Home
46: Home
47: Member Screenshots
48: Home
49: Home
50: Your Account
51: Home
52: Community Forums
53: Member Screenshots
54: Downloads
55: Home
56: Home
57: Home
58: Home
59: Home
60: Home
61: Home
62: Home
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Downloads
66: Home
67: Home
68: Community Forums
69: Home
70: Home
71: Community Forums
72: Member Screenshots
73: Home
74: Community Forums
75: Home
76: Community Forums
77: Home
78: Community Forums
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Home
82: Community Forums
83: Home
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Home
88: Home
89: Member Screenshots
90: Community Forums
91: Home
92: Community Forums
93: Member Screenshots
94: Downloads
95: Community Forums
96: Downloads
97: Home
98: Community Forums
99: Home
100: Member Screenshots
101: Community Forums
102: Home
103: Home
104: Home
105: Home
106: Community Forums
107: Home
108: Community Forums
109: Home
110: Community Forums
111: Home
112: Community Forums
113: Home
114: Home
115: Home
116: Community Forums
117: Home
118: Home
119: Home
120: Photo Gallery
121: Home
122: Community Forums
123: Home
124: Home
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Home
129: Home
130: Your Account
131: Home
132: Home
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Member Screenshots
136: Downloads
137: News Archive
138: Home
139: Community Forums
140: Home
141: Home
142: Member Screenshots
143: Home
144: Home
145: Photo Gallery
146: Home
147: Home
148: Home
149: Home
150: Community Forums
151: Member Screenshots
152: Home
153: Community Forums
154: Member Screenshots
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Downloads
158: Member Screenshots
159: News Archive
160: Statistics
161: Home
162: Member Screenshots
163: Community Forums
164: Photo Gallery
165: Downloads
166: Statistics
167: Member Screenshots
168: Community Forums
169: Member Screenshots
170: Photo Gallery
171: Home
172: Home
173: Home
174: News Archive
175: Home
176: Home
177: Downloads
178: Community Forums
179: Home
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Member Screenshots
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Photo Gallery
186: Community Forums
187: Home
188: Home
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Downloads
192: Home
193: Downloads
194: Home
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Home
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Home
204: Community Forums
205: Photo Gallery
206: Member Screenshots
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Member Screenshots
211: Home
212: Photo Gallery
213: Community Forums
214: Member Screenshots
215: Downloads

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Jim:

Now looking at the attached images you can see they are different tanks to the one at the museum but more about that particular tank later.

To Be Continued...

Waiting with bait on my breath.
Back to top
View user's profile
timroberts
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 71
Location: shrewsbury UK
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:58 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Theres nothing I like more than a good T55 debate.
By doing this we will unlock the mysteries.
TTFN
Tim
All photos on this post copyright of Jan Taljaard, thankyou Jan!
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
timroberts
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 71
Location: shrewsbury UK
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

some more
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
timroberts
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 71
Location: shrewsbury UK
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Hi Jim
You forgot to credit the text you quoted to this website
www.rhodesia.nl/quartz.htm
And you missed out a nice photo
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
timroberts
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 71
Location: shrewsbury UK
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:45 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

whats that supposed to mean Doug?
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

...watching with great interest as this snappy reparteé develops, nuthin' personal whatsoever. Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
timroberts
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 71
Location: shrewsbury UK
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Yes us British folk do appear to be having a difference of opinion here!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Carry on then...some of we bystanders stand to learn something about T-5X's from all this....
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Esa_Muikku
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 28, 2006
Posts: 26
Location: Tampere, Finland
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

1) All T-54s originally had a hull MG. The location can be seen in this picture taken of a cut-away T-54 Model 1951 at Parola Armour Museum in Finland:
www.ipmsfinland.org/ga...at/025.JPG . (BTW, those legs belong to me! Shocked )

During rebuilding and upgrade to T-54A or T-54B some had it removed and the hole blanked off, like this one:
www.thetankmaster.com/...54B_17.jpg
…and some not, like these ones:
img202.imageshack.us/m...3642wj.jpg
img485.imageshack.us/m...1423hv.jpg
tanksinmoscow.ru/T-34/...-54_41.jpg

2) 99 % of all the T-54 hulls can be distinguished by the interlocked upper and lower bow plates! See e.g.
tanksinmoscow.com/CMSA...-54_02.jpg
www.thetankmaster.com/...T54_18.JPG
which are very old non-modernized tanks with only one headlight and these younger ones with the headlight and infrared headlight for driver’s IR periscope TVN-2:
www.thetankmaster.com/...t-54_1.JPG
www.thetankmaster.com/...54_025.jpg
www.thetankmaster.com/...-54-07.JPG
www.militaryimages.net...48/si/T-55
photoka.info/t54/image...t54_38.htm
ipmslondon.tripod.com/.../id22.html
tanksinmoscow.ru/Kreks...-55_14.jpg
tanksinmoscow.ru/T-34/...-54_02.jpg
tanxheaven.com/den/T-5...949/02.JPG
tanxheaven.com/ludob/t...CT0619.JPG
tanxheaven.com/mc/t55-...FLW054.jpg
They all are T-54s although the caption or file name might say something else!!!

These are one of the few deviations:
www.boltonipms.co.uk/i...t54-09.jpg
www.thetankmaster.com/...T54_12.jpg

3) The upper and lower bow plates are not anymore interlocked in T-55 thus resulting in a straight weld seam. See e.g.
data.primeportal.net/t...3_of_3.JPG .
Notice, that if you have a straight weld seam, you then have to know and see other features of T-54 (fuel cap locations, hull rear plate joints, final drive housings etc.) to make a proof identification!

4) All Finnish T-55 tanks, built in the Soviet Union between1965-1972, have a hull MG! See e.g. the lower pic on page 103 in the book “The Finnish Armoured Vehicles 1918-1997� published by Apali Oy ( www.apali.fi ) or this photo:
www.ipmsfinland.org/ga...at/063.JPG
…or these photos of other Soviet-built T-55 tanks:
img217.imageshack.us/m...n020oo.jpg
data.primeportal.net/a...5%2001.jpg
www.militaryimages.net...05/si/T-55
photoka.info/t55/image.../t55_5.htm
tanksinmoscow.ru/T-34/...-55_05.jpg
tanxheaven.com/ludob/t...CT0649.JPG

5) The hull MG was deleted from the Soviet production tanks in early 1970s and also from licence production tanks from Poland or Czechoslovakia. These are Soviet tanks without hull MG:
tanksinmoscow.com/Pokl...-55_03.jpg
tanxheaven.com/jg/T55B...140048.JPG
tanxheaven.com/t55ng/DSC00091.JPG

These ones are rare examples of licence built T-55A tanks still having a hull MG:
www.thetankmaster.com/...T55_13.jpg
tanxheaven.com/t55/CNV00005.JPG

Bonus : This tank ( tanxheaven.com/zbc/t55...t55zbc.htm ) has started its life as a T-54 but has been rebuilt in Poland to be a T-55. It requires a lot of work!
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Thanks for posting links and not hot-linking all those images Esa...I don't think my mouse, or fingers, could stand scrolling all those!
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Hellfish6
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
Posts: 151
Location: Orlando
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:40 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Great info! So that museum tank is one of the same batch that went to Rhodesia. Interesting stuff. What camo pattern is that? Fictional? It doesn't match the Libyan camo on the Rhodie T-55.
Back to top
View user's profile
timroberts
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 71
Location: shrewsbury UK
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:22 am
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

" See e.g. the lower pic on page 103 in the book “The Finnish Armoured Vehicles 1918-1997� published by Apali Oy ( www.apali.fi )"

Esa is being very modest here, he co wrote this great book!

Thanks for the links Esa, and for the as always helpful information you provide.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:37 am
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

- Hellfish6
Great info! So that museum tank is one of the same batch that went to Rhodesia. Interesting stuff. What camo pattern is that? Fictional? It doesn't match the Libyan camo on the Rhodie T-55.


No as far as I can figure out it was applied whereever that particular tank went to be rebuilt... still trying to track the location & time period when this was done but I have two conflicting sources - one says it was around 1988 and was sent to a foreign company possibly south america? & the other says it was 1993-4 after the museum acquired it and it was borrowed by a local company to see if it was feasible to setup an upgrade production line and as it has an OMC Engineering badge on one of the mudguards that is probably the answer!

To be Continued...

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

- timroberts
Hi Jim
You forgot to credit the text you quoted to this website
www.rhodesia.nl/quartz.htm
And you missed out a nice photo


Nah - I didn't know about the site. I merely used some stuff that was sent to me by an ex-Rhodesian Army contact...

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 5
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum