±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 307
Total: 307
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Home
05: Home
06: Community Forums
07: Home
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Home
11: Photo Gallery
12: Member Screenshots
13: Statistics
14: Community Forums
15: Home
16: News Archive
17: Member Screenshots
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Statistics
23: Downloads
24: Photo Gallery
25: Community Forums
26: Home
27: Downloads
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: Member Screenshots
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Member Screenshots
34: Photo Gallery
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Home
38: Community Forums
39: Photo Gallery
40: Your Account
41: Community Forums
42: Member Screenshots
43: Home
44: News Archive
45: Home
46: Home
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Photo Gallery
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Home
56: Community Forums
57: Member Screenshots
58: Downloads
59: Community Forums
60: Photo Gallery
61: Photo Gallery
62: Home
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Home
67: Photo Gallery
68: Community Forums
69: Photo Gallery
70: Home
71: News Archive
72: Home
73: Home
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Home
77: Member Screenshots
78: Home
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Photo Gallery
82: Community Forums
83: Member Screenshots
84: Downloads
85: Home
86: Community Forums
87: Home
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Photo Gallery
92: Member Screenshots
93: Statistics
94: Member Screenshots
95: Community Forums
96: Home
97: Home
98: Community Forums
99: Home
100: Member Screenshots
101: Community Forums
102: Member Screenshots
103: Home
104: Home
105: Community Forums
106: Home
107: Community Forums
108: Your Account
109: Member Screenshots
110: Home
111: Community Forums
112: Photo Gallery
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Home
116: LinkToUs
117: Home
118: Home
119: Photo Gallery
120: Community Forums
121: Downloads
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Member Screenshots
125: Your Account
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Member Screenshots
130: Statistics
131: Community Forums
132: Home
133: Photo Gallery
134: Community Forums
135: Home
136: Member Screenshots
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Home
140: Home
141: Home
142: Home
143: Home
144: News Archive
145: Community Forums
146: Home
147: Home
148: Home
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Member Screenshots
153: Member Screenshots
154: Member Screenshots
155: Home
156: Community Forums
157: Downloads
158: Member Screenshots
159: Community Forums
160: Home
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Home
164: Downloads
165: Home
166: Downloads
167: Home
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Home
171: Community Forums
172: Member Screenshots
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Home
177: Home
178: Community Forums
179: Downloads
180: Member Screenshots
181: Home
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Home
185: Photo Gallery
186: Community Forums
187: Member Screenshots
188: Member Screenshots
189: Community Forums
190: Home
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Home
195: Home
196: Community Forums
197: Member Screenshots
198: Downloads
199: Home
200: Home
201: Community Forums
202: Member Screenshots
203: Community Forums
204: Home
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Photo Gallery
209: Community Forums
210: Your Account
211: Community Forums
212: Member Screenshots
213: Photo Gallery
214: Photo Gallery
215: Home
216: Home
217: Community Forums
218: Member Screenshots
219: Community Forums
220: Downloads
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Member Screenshots
226: Community Forums
227: News Archive
228: Home
229: Community Forums
230: Home
231: Community Forums
232: Photo Gallery
233: Photo Gallery
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Home
239: Statistics
240: Photo Gallery
241: Your Account
242: Home
243: Community Forums
244: Home
245: Home
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Photo Gallery
250: Community Forums
251: Home
252: Photo Gallery
253: Member Screenshots
254: Community Forums
255: Home
256: Photo Gallery
257: Community Forums
258: Home
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Home
262: Downloads
263: Member Screenshots
264: Photo Gallery
265: Community Forums
266: Home
267: Home
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Photo Gallery
273: Community Forums
274: Member Screenshots
275: Downloads
276: Home
277: Home
278: Home
279: Statistics
280: Community Forums
281: Home
282: Downloads
283: Photo Gallery
284: Home
285: Statistics
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Member Screenshots
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Home
293: Home
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Home
299: Home
300: Community Forums
301: Member Screenshots
302: Home
303: Home
304: News Archive
305: Community Forums
306: Home
307: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Po-lice M113 details shots....
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:11 pm
Post subject: Po-lice M113 details shots....

Courtesy of a recent contact from another activity, I have a few shots to share of this M113 seeing LE duty in Pennsylvania. I'll just let the donor (anonymity is requested for understandable reasons...thus I've also obscured the faces...) give the background, apart from pointing out the surfboard bracket and mounting points for smoke dischargers still being present...and call your attention to the apparent "dual exhausts" (don't know what's up with that...). I've posed a few additional questions about this vehicle and will post the answers if I get 'em...
It's also my impression that the left side track tension might be in need of adjustment...
_______________________________________________________

"we have the two APC's in Bucks County PA (which is a residential area North East of Philly). My team is South Centeral Bucks County (S.R.T.)

The M113 has been a great tool for us... some of our vehicles have taken fire in the past, so a little armor is very good.... and we do practice wounded office/civilian rescues were the APC, makes our work a lot safer! Our 113 does have the rubber pads in the tracks, and it is suprisingly easy on paved roads, even on hot asphalt it leaves very little damage! (I am sure you know a lot more about APC's then I ever will!) We did depoly it last year on a murder.... in which a guy shot his girlfriend and later himself..... all the neighbor's interviews on t.v. could say was.... "Yeah some guy shot his girlfriend...... BUT, the cops have a tank!"
_________________________________________________________




Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Dirk
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 115
Location: South Africa
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:20 am
Post subject: Re: Po-lice M113 details shots....

Very cool pics - thanks for posting !

Would be interesting to model a 1/35 LE M113 - without the 106 RR Wink

Cheers

Dirk
Back to top
View user's profile
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:37 pm
Post subject: Re: Po-lice M113 details shots....

Looking at the inside, I cant really see the drivers area, but my guess is that this is an A2 model, with the laterals instead of the steering wheel of the A3's. For police use, an "ACAV" model would make more sense, in my opinion. Riot control, TC protection, and just the intimidation factor! How do police agencies come by these and does anyone know the going price?

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Po-lice M113 details shots....

Found this nugget on a website that breathlessly prompts the US Army to reissue M113 "Gavins" (gag) to the troops in Iraq.

"Track Commander's Cupola Shield Kit, Machine Gun / 2510-00-121-8990; and, Shield, Protective / 2510-01-006-4587

TC's cupola gunshields + side gunshields for the two troop hatch MGs

The NSN number for the complete Gun Shield Kit including the cargo hatch side shields is NSN 2590-00-121-8990. AMDF price is $11,708.00."

See what happens when powerful tools are left in unsupervised hands - you get smartalec answers.
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Po-lice M113 details shots....

For police use, an "ACAV" model would make more sense, in my opinion.


Found this nugget on a website that breathlessly prompts the US Army to reissue M113 "Gavins" (gag) to the troops in Iraq.

"Track Commander's Cupola Shield Kit, Machine Gun / 2510-00-121-8990; and, Shield, Protective / 2510-01-006-4587

TC's cupola gunshields + side gunshields for the two troop hatch MGs

The NSN number for the complete Gun Shield Kit including the cargo hatch side shields is NSN 2590-00-121-8990. AMDF price is $11,708.00."

See what happens when powerful tools are left in unsupervised hands - you get smartalec answers.


Actually, the contributor of these pics lamented not having M2's and M60's, but only as a joke. Obviously a PR nightmare for any dept. (which is probably why he's a sniper when doing "special duty")

BTW, Roy and I were both on record as advocating the reissue of M113s with ACAV kits early on in the latest iteration of the Iraq war (sans the "G" word)...back when troops were getting blowed up real good in unarmored HMMWV's and such. These would have been a quick, off-the-shelf solution to the lack of protection available..especially during that first year. Since then, the IED's have gotten more sophisticated and the speeds faster...so it's an idea a bit past it's moment for the guys out front.

Nor were we "breathless" about it...that sort of apoplectic manifestation is only to be found at certain websites (and we can tell who's been slumming, can't we Wink )
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
JeffStringer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 637

PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Po-lice M113 details shots....

What's with the "Blank Look" on their faces? Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:02 pm
Post subject: Re: Po-lice M113 details shots....

The number of muzzles the SWAT guys point at a bad guy increases their chances of resolving the situation. Being able to get uncomfortably close to a standoff or hostage taking greatly increases SWAT's psychological control of the "customer".

Waiting behind a phalanx of gun shields for small arms is a great idea. The officers are well protected, and then there are the comforts of home while waiting for the negotiators to convince the rascal(s) to come out peaceful like.

The RCMP used borrowed military Bisons at one standoff in BC to get weapons teams into position when the map recce (and lookouts) determined their stalk was going to be compromised.
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:40 am
Post subject: Re: Po-lice M113 details shots....

Hi Doug! Hi Folks!

- Doug_Kibbey

call your attention to the apparent "dual exhausts" (don't know what's up with that...)




The dual exhausts.

In the photo of the inside. Those dual armored exhaust pipes are connected to the OD green item behind the officer's head that is setting next to the engine compartment bulkhead on the right side of the hull.

In Vietnam our vehicles had wedge shaped blocks bolted over those openings. Most M-113s found in Korea or Germany had those items which we didn't need in Vietnam.

Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:13 am
Post subject: Re: Po-lice M113 details shots....

Hi Jeff! Hi Folks!

- SFC_Jeff_Button

How do police agencies come by these and does anyone know the going price?


As I understand the system, it works something a bit like this.

The U.S. Military declares an item of equipment, surplus or excess.

In this case, the US Army has more M113 APCs that it needs.

Item/items are placed on a DOD list of surplus/excess for any DOD element that has a need for said item.

If all items are not claimed by another DOD office, then they are placed on a U.S. Goverment list of surplus/excess for any Federal or State agency that has a need for that item. In this case a local police department saw a need for two M113s. They requested two vehicles. After the transfer is approved, the vehicles are de-mil-ed. In the case of a M-113 APC, the flex mount for the M2 50 cal machine gun is removed. The police department must pick the vehicles up and is responable for transport to they area. Vehicles come as is and any repairs are done by the gaining agency.

Remember some time back, someone post a photo of a XM800W that had been used by the USAF as an EOD vehicle. Same thing. The Army put the Wheeled XM800s on the list as surplus/excess. Someone in the Air Force thought they would make good EOD vehicles.

Somewhere in there, museums get a chance to request or buy a surplus/excess item. If no agency makes a claim then, in the case of the M113, the Army finds other ways of getting rid of them. Like dropping them in the ocean or shipping to White Sands Missile Range for use as hard targets. Evil or Very Mad

As far as I know, the state and federal agenies requesting surplus/excess equipment only pay to have it picked up and transported to their location. After that agency is done with the item, if is doesn't go to an approved museum/collection/memorial, then it is returned to DOD for proper disposal a strap junk.

Anyway, that is my take on how it works.
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 11:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Po-lice M113 details shots....

More M113 shots (same vehicle) data plate, drivers compartment (SOOOOOO much cleaner than I'm used to seeing...) and engine bay...



Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum