±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 427
Total: 427
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Photo Gallery
06: Photo Gallery
07: Downloads
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Home
11: Community Forums
12: Photo Gallery
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Photo Gallery
18: Community Forums
19: Photo Gallery
20: Community Forums
21: Member Screenshots
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Member Screenshots
27: Member Screenshots
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: News
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Downloads
35: Photo Gallery
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Member Screenshots
40: Member Screenshots
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Statistics
44: Your Account
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Home
50: Community Forums
51: Downloads
52: Member Screenshots
53: Statistics
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: News Archive
58: Home
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Photo Gallery
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Home
68: Photo Gallery
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: News Archive
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Downloads
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Home
84: Photo Gallery
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Home
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Community Forums
94: Member Screenshots
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Home
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Downloads
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Home
111: Community Forums
112: Statistics
113: Community Forums
114: Photo Gallery
115: Downloads
116: Photo Gallery
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Photo Gallery
122: Photo Gallery
123: Home
124: Home
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Photo Gallery
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Photo Gallery
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Member Screenshots
138: Community Forums
139: Member Screenshots
140: Home
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Member Screenshots
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Member Screenshots
147: Member Screenshots
148: Community Forums
149: Downloads
150: Photo Gallery
151: Community Forums
152: Photo Gallery
153: News Archive
154: News Archive
155: Photo Gallery
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: News Archive
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Member Screenshots
164: Downloads
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Member Screenshots
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Photo Gallery
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Home
185: Community Forums
186: Member Screenshots
187: Downloads
188: Member Screenshots
189: News Archive
190: Community Forums
191: Member Screenshots
192: Member Screenshots
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Photo Gallery
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Home
202: Community Forums
203: Member Screenshots
204: Community Forums
205: Photo Gallery
206: Community Forums
207: Photo Gallery
208: Community Forums
209: Home
210: Photo Gallery
211: Community Forums
212: Photo Gallery
213: Community Forums
214: Home
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Statistics
219: Photo Gallery
220: Photo Gallery
221: Community Forums
222: Member Screenshots
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Member Screenshots
226: Photo Gallery
227: Home
228: Community Forums
229: Home
230: Photo Gallery
231: Community Forums
232: Photo Gallery
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Photo Gallery
236: Photo Gallery
237: Home
238: Photo Gallery
239: Community Forums
240: Member Screenshots
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Photo Gallery
247: Downloads
248: Home
249: Home
250: Community Forums
251: Home
252: Downloads
253: Community Forums
254: Home
255: Photo Gallery
256: Photo Gallery
257: News Archive
258: Home
259: Photo Gallery
260: Statistics
261: Home
262: Member Screenshots
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Photo Gallery
267: Home
268: Community Forums
269: Photo Gallery
270: Home
271: Home
272: Community Forums
273: Photo Gallery
274: Photo Gallery
275: Photo Gallery
276: Home
277: News
278: Community Forums
279: Your Account
280: Downloads
281: Community Forums
282: Home
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Member Screenshots
287: Member Screenshots
288: Community Forums
289: Photo Gallery
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Photo Gallery
293: Statistics
294: Your Account
295: Photo Gallery
296: Photo Gallery
297: Community Forums
298: News Archive
299: Community Forums
300: News Archive
301: Member Screenshots
302: Home
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: News Archive
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Home
310: Home
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Photo Gallery
314: Home
315: Tell a Friend
316: Community Forums
317: News
318: Community Forums
319: Home
320: Community Forums
321: Photo Gallery
322: Member Screenshots
323: Community Forums
324: Photo Gallery
325: Home
326: Member Screenshots
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Photo Gallery
333: Community Forums
334: Photo Gallery
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Photo Gallery
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Home
343: Home
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Home
347: Community Forums
348: Photo Gallery
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Photo Gallery
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Home
358: Community Forums
359: Member Screenshots
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Member Screenshots
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Member Screenshots
367: Home
368: Member Screenshots
369: Community Forums
370: Photo Gallery
371: Community Forums
372: Home
373: Member Screenshots
374: Member Screenshots
375: Community Forums
376: Community Forums
377: Photo Gallery
378: Community Forums
379: Member Screenshots
380: Community Forums
381: Photo Gallery
382: Your Account
383: Photo Gallery
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Photo Gallery
387: Community Forums
388: Member Screenshots
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Photo Gallery
392: Home
393: Community Forums
394: Statistics
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Downloads
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Downloads
404: Home
405: Community Forums
406: Member Screenshots
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Photo Gallery
414: Member Screenshots
415: Home
416: Community Forums
417: Home
418: Home
419: Community Forums
420: Home
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Home
424: Photo Gallery
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:13 am
Post subject: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...


Dontos, Is there anything special about this M1. Being a Mortar Magot, I dont know squat about M1's, (but I am learning quickly about older tanks!). There are at least three other M1's on post on display. They are at East Gate, and both the HQ's of 1st Cav and 4th ID. where do I find special markings, serial numbers, etc... I plan to photograph and post them eventually if they are of any signifigance.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Gomez75
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2006
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...

The M1E1 was the test platform for the Rhienmattal 120mm Gun. It is basically a vanilla M1 fitted with the German Gun. Or so I've read. About ten were converted.
Back to top
View user's profile
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...

I remember when they made the sign around 1994. It was pointed out then that the sign was in error and the M1E1 is the prototype for the M1A1. The sign leads one to believe that the M1E1 is a prototype of the initial M1.

The M1E1 was an M1IP with the 120mm.

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:52 am
Post subject: Re: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...

Does the M1 have an area where the serial number is stamped into it? There are at least 4 M1's on display here on the post. Each DIV HQ's had one, East Gate has one, and so does the 1st Cav museum. Is it me, or do new tanks not have the prominent "USA" numbers of tanks past?

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:08 am
Post subject: Re: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...

I want to keep this one alive because I want to know where to find the serial number on an M1. There are 4 on post that are on display that I know of. Three tan and one green. Also, anyone know where an M2 Bradley has its serial numbers?

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Hellfish6
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
Posts: 151
Location: Orlando
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:31 am
Post subject: Re: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...

Why do people want to know serial numbers on vehicles? (Serious question)
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:14 am
Post subject: Re: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...

HI HF6! Hi Folks!

- Hellfish6

Why do people want to know serial numbers on vehicles? (Serious question)


Helps with tracking the history of many of the different types of AFVs. Helps with keeping up with a vehicle when it is moved from one spot to another. Helps those who are trying to get and kept a count on the number of vehicles remaining.

Some of the members who hang out here find that type of info helpful with their research.

Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:29 am
Post subject: Re: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...

Jeff,
If they haven't been changed out the skirts will have a metal plate welded on each one with the serial number. The static model tanks I've seen usually had the ballistic skirts (1 and 2 left, 1,2,3 and 4 right)replaced with mock ups. A more reliable source is on the rear grill doors on earlier models, same type of plate. To the left of the right tail light they would stamp the number and also the registration from what I remember. Serial numbers would start with an "L" for Lima and "D" for Detroit. Majority are then followed by 4 or 5 digits, A1's ending around 13000 from what I remember. Don't use the skirt method for late model A2's since they used the old 105 hulls and the skirts retained the original numbers on all the ones I've seen. Rebuilds had the same front headlight gaurds as the 105 tanks where as the originals had the angle gaurds like the M1A1. Hope this helps. I will check the M1's here later and verify the locations. Just gotta be able to stay on the Net.

Joe D


Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...

Thanks Joe, I'll try and check the M1 pictured above today and see if this location is correct.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:37 pm
Post subject: Re: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...

- Roy_A_Lingle
HI HF6! Hi Folks!

- Hellfish6

Why do people want to know serial numbers on vehicles? (Serious question)


Helps with tracking the history of many of the different types of AFVs. Helps with keeping up with a vehicle when it is moved from one spot to another. Helps those who are trying to get and kept a count on the number of vehicles remaining.

Some of the members who hang out here find that type of info helpful with their research.

Sgt, Scouts Out!


Does anyone keep serial numbers of vehicles they crewed or worked on?

I know everytime I see a picture of an F-15 I try and see what the tail number is to see if it is one of the ones I remember from Langley. I know Aircraft have much more visible tail numbers than tanks do serial or registration numbers but I'm curious if tanks got reputations like planes did. For example 74-119 got a reputation as a Pig for all the problems it had. One time when a pilot came in to debrief after a ground abort on that plane another pilot looked over at him and said 'You need to take a little Hog chow out with you and tell the bird you'll give her a treat if you have a good flight' He then pulled a little baggie of animal food out of his flightsuit pocket. 'Everytime the Pig gives me a good flight I put a pinch right under the nose wheel'

What is even funnier is that years later after I was out of the Air Force I was talking to an E-7 at a PTA meeting. He was at the Pentagon and in the staff that shuffled planes to National Guard and Reserve units. I mentioned that I wondered what had happened to some of our old birds and told him the 4-119 story. He almost broke out laughing. He said he wished he had heard that a month before. They had just finished reassigning planes with some going to the boneyard and some going to other units. he remembered having to decide if 4-118 or 4-119 went to storage or to another unit. They had sent 4-118 to storage and 4-119 to a unit. 4-119 ground aborted on it's delivery flight, had an IFE (in flight emergency) one one of it's first flights at the new unit and hadn't flown since.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Hellfish6
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
Posts: 151
Location: Orlando
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...

- Roy_A_Lingle
HI HF6! Hi Folks!

- Hellfish6

Why do people want to know serial numbers on vehicles? (Serious question)


Helps with tracking the history of many of the different types of AFVs. Helps with keeping up with a vehicle when it is moved from one spot to another. Helps those who are trying to get and kept a count on the number of vehicles remaining.

Some of the members who hang out here find that type of info helpful with their research.

Sgt, Scouts Out!


Good to know. Thanks!
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...

- bsmart
- Roy_A_Lingle
HI HF6! Hi Folks!

- Hellfish6

Why do people want to know serial numbers on vehicles? (Serious question)


Helps with tracking the history of many of the different types of AFVs. Helps with keeping up with a vehicle when it is moved from one spot to another. Helps those who are trying to get and kept a count on the number of vehicles remaining.

Some of the members who hang out here find that type of info helpful with their research.

Sgt, Scouts Out!


Does anyone keep serial numbers of vehicles they crewed or worked on?

I know everytime I see a picture of an F-15 I try and see what the tail number is to see if it is one of the ones I remember from Langley. I know Aircraft have much more visible tail numbers than tanks do serial or registration numbers but I'm curious if tanks got reputations like planes did. For example 74-119 got a reputation as a Pig for all the problems it had. One time when a pilot came in to debrief after a ground abort on that plane another pilot looked over at him and said 'You need to take a little Hog chow out with you and tell the bird you'll give her a treat if you have a good flight' He then pulled a little baggie of animal food out of his flightsuit pocket. 'Everytime the Pig gives me a good flight I put a pinch right under the nose wheel'

What is even funnier is that years later after I was out of the Air Force I was talking to an E-7 at a PTA meeting. He was at the Pentagon and in the staff that shuffled planes to National Guard and Reserve units. I mentioned that I wondered what had happened to some of our old birds and told him the 4-119 story. He almost broke out laughing. He said he wished he had heard that a month before. They had just finished reassigning planes with some going to the boneyard and some going to other units. he remembered having to decide if 4-118 or 4-119 went to storage or to another unit. They had sent 4-118 to storage and 4-119 to a unit. 4-119 ground aborted on it's delivery flight, had an IFE (in flight emergency) one one of it's first flights at the new unit and hadn't flown since.


Bob
In 1988, I was assigned on my 1st M1A1 in Germany as a Gunner. The SN was L6116. For some reason I never forgot that SN.

BTW: I have the 1st round 'aftcap' I fired off that tank still to this day. Makes a great ashtray. HEAT round fired during screening at Range 117A at Grafenwohr.

...and my wife thinks I'm a 'pack-rat'....

Don

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...

- Dontos
- bsmart
- Roy_A_Lingle
HI HF6! Hi Folks!

- Hellfish6

Why do people want to know serial numbers on vehicles? (Serious question)


Helps with tracking the history of many of the different types of AFVs. Helps with keeping up with a vehicle when it is moved from one spot to another. Helps those who are trying to get and kept a count on the number of vehicles remaining.

Some of the members who hang out here find that type of info helpful with their research.


And in case of some former Soviet tanks it is possible to identify the type, and date of production.

regards,
Lesley
Sgt, Scouts Out!


Does anyone keep serial numbers of vehicles they crewed or worked on?

I know everytime I see a picture of an F-15 I try and see what the tail number is to see if it is one of the ones I remember from Langley. I know Aircraft have much more visible tail numbers than tanks do serial or registration numbers but I'm curious if tanks got reputations like planes did. For example 74-119 got a reputation as a Pig for all the problems it had. One time when a pilot came in to debrief after a ground abort on that plane another pilot looked over at him and said 'You need to take a little Hog chow out with you and tell the bird you'll give her a treat if you have a good flight' He then pulled a little baggie of animal food out of his flightsuit pocket. 'Everytime the Pig gives me a good flight I put a pinch right under the nose wheel'

What is even funnier is that years later after I was out of the Air Force I was talking to an E-7 at a PTA meeting. He was at the Pentagon and in the staff that shuffled planes to National Guard and Reserve units. I mentioned that I wondered what had happened to some of our old birds and told him the 4-119 story. He almost broke out laughing. He said he wished he had heard that a month before. They had just finished reassigning planes with some going to the boneyard and some going to other units. he remembered having to decide if 4-118 or 4-119 went to storage or to another unit. They had sent 4-118 to storage and 4-119 to a unit. 4-119 ground aborted on it's delivery flight, had an IFE (in flight emergency) one one of it's first flights at the new unit and hadn't flown since.


Bob
In 1988, I was assigned on my 1st M1A1 in Germany as a Gunner. The SN was L6116. For some reason I never forgot that SN.

BTW: I have the 1st round 'aftcap' I fired off that tank still to this day. Makes a great ashtray. HEAT round fired during screening at Range 117A at Grafenwohr.

...and my wife thinks I'm a 'pack-rat'....

Don
Back to top
View user's profile
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:00 am
Post subject: Re: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...

Joe_D, you are the MAN! You were right on with where to find the serial numbers. All the side plates and the rear plates matched, with D790, being on all of them! The stamping number read "JE01EW". I'm not real sure about the second character but the rest were pretty readable. There were also numbers "welded" onto the turret and front hull, do these mean anything? I could make out the old bumper markings on the front. The left side was; 1-CAV 2-12 CAV, right side was; B-34. There appears to be no engine which is no suprise with the cost of these being huge! I love it when I can ID a vehicle by serial number. However you mention the number should be 4-5 digits. Does this three digit tank mean its a very early model? Well at least everyone can use these picture for reference as to where to look for numbers on future M1's. I plan to hit the other three M1's that are on display ASAP and see how they compare. Thanks again.

P.S. Spotted another "Lingle" today and will get some pictures for Roy soon!

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:42 am
Post subject: Re: Dontos, 1st Cav Museum M1...

How rare is it for a display M1 to have all the skirts match the rear seial number? I thought htese side plates were "classified" a time back and that display tanks got some sort of "dummy" plates hung on their sides.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 6
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum