±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: jimmymcc19
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 151
Total: 151
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: CPGlang
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: CPGlang
10: Home
11: CPGlang
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Home
15: Photo Gallery
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Home
21: Photo Gallery
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: CPGlang
25: CPGlang
26: CPGlang
27: Downloads
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Photo Gallery
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: CPGlang
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Downloads
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Home
49: Community Forums
50: CPGlang
51: Community Forums
52: Home
53: Home
54: Community Forums
55: CPGlang
56: Community Forums
57: Home
58: CPGlang
59: Community Forums
60: Home
61: Community Forums
62: Your Account
63: Community Forums
64: Downloads
65: Community Forums
66: CPGlang
67: Photo Gallery
68: Community Forums
69: CPGlang
70: Home
71: News
72: Home
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: CPGlang
76: Community Forums
77: Home
78: Community Forums
79: Member Screenshots
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Downloads
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Downloads
94: Home
95: Community Forums
96: Home
97: CPGlang
98: Community Forums
99: CPGlang
100: Community Forums
101: Photo Gallery
102: Downloads
103: CPGlang
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Home
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Member Screenshots
113: Home
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Home
117: Home
118: Community Forums
119: Home
120: Downloads
121: Downloads
122: CPGlang
123: Home
124: Your Account
125: Home
126: Community Forums
127: CPGlang
128: Community Forums
129: Member Screenshots
130: Community Forums
131: CPGlang
132: Downloads
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: CPGlang
136: Downloads
137: Home
138: Home
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Home
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Statistics
145: Home
146: Community Forums
147: Home
148: CPGlang
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
"Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Jeffrey_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 16, 2006
Posts: 60
Location: Killeen,Tx
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:58 pm
Post subject: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!


Roy, I hear you have a thing for "lingles". And when me and my dad were out today we found one. On the corner of 76th St and Battalion Ave, in front of 1st brigade combat team HQ. We found the USA number, 13B909, 005 on the right front hull. On the data plate as you can see the date is 7-65 and the serial number is 3127.

_________________
Jeffrey Button, aka "LiL-J"
Back to top
View user's profile
JG300-Ascout
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 6256
Location: Cyberspace
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:20 pm
Post subject: Re: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!

A little bit of work and she'll be right as rain!

_________________
"All facts go to clearly prove that Shades is a thrice-cursed traitor & mentally deranged person steeped in inveterate enmity toward mankind"
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:13 am
Post subject: Re: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!

Hi Ascout! Hi Folks!

- JG300-Ascout

A little bit of work and she'll be right as rain!


Sorry Ascout. I must disagree with you. If one does not count the very nice looking paint job on the out side, that vehicle is the second worst (as in missing parts) Lingle we have all seen in the past few years. I think Dontos' find on a range at Camp Shelby is the worst one.

It is good to see that the data plate is almost were I remember it. I was thinking it was on the upper wall, rather than on the lower one. I remember it was somewhere near the driver's seat. Along with not knowning the serial number was on the outside, never noticed the USA Number was also on the outside of the hull.

At least enough remains so that folks can still tell is was a M-114.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:28 am
Post subject: Re: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!

That Data plate was actually right behind the fire extinguisher that is visable just behind and below the crivers seat. I pulled the bottle out of the way to get the picture. Jeffrey was wound up to post this for you. When I found it was open, I thought I'd hit pay-dirt, as nothing I hardley ever find is open. I'm just sorry it was missing so much. I noticed the 20mm storage positions everywhere. I understand 50cal, 7.62mm, and 5.56mm, but 20mm? Did you actually fire 20mm in some configuration?

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:00 am
Post subject: Re: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!

Hi Jeffrey! Hi Folks!

Thank you very much for helping your Dad with finding that Lingle. It makes my day when I learn another one has survived and not used for a target or home for fish.

- Jeffrey_Button



In the above photo, we can see the second gen plywood surf board.
The longer arm of the two part surf board extending and retraction arm is missing.
The front tie down loop is missing from the side of the hull. It looks like that thing on the side of the hull at the rear.
IR and service drive lights are missing.

- Jeffrey_Button



Again the front tie down loop is missing along with the IR drive light. The plywood surfboard looks like the rain has been getting to it and will need replacement some day.

- Jeffrey_Button



The tie down loop is missing one mounting bolt. Not sure but the red stop light lens maybe missing from the left rear tail light. Both rear mud flaps are missing. The metal strap that holds the spade end of the shovel looks like it is bent in some.

- Jeffrey_Button



With that plywood cover where the TC's turret goes, I would GUESS this vehicle WAS a M-114A2 with the XM-27 powered turret and the M-139 20mm autocannon. No way to be sure from this photo however. As I understand it, most if not all A2s lost their XM-27 turrets to the M-901 TUA conversion project. Point for the museum director. Two many R/T antenna bases. A platoon leader's vehicle would only have two. Both mounted on the driver's side of the vehicle. A section/squad leader's vehicle would have one R/T base, just behind the driver's hatch and aux receiver base at the rear mounting point on the driver's side. An assistance squad leader's vehicle would only have one R/T base behind the driver's hatch.
Both bases for the observer's machine gun mount are missing.
Driver's hatch is missing the removeable armored plug used to plug the mounting hole for the IR driving scope.
Observer's hatch is missing the turn table for his periscope.
There is a cover with three bolts holding it down. That was where the vent dome cover was. Something like the one used on the M-113 APCs.
Two odd items:
1. Something on the hull just in front of the left rear R/T base. No idea what that is.
2. Notice that the Observer's hatch has a cut out on the left edge. That is where a hook like devise is turned over the hatch to lock it closed. The hook and the hole where the rod it was on the end of came up through hull is missing! Surprised

[quote="Jeffrey_Button"]

This photo clearly ID's this poor Lingle as an Ex-A2 which had the 20mm cannon.
And SOMEBODY repainted the inside with WHITE paint! WRONG, Evil or Very Mad WRONG, Evil or Very Mad WRONG Evil or Very Mad ! The A2s and all the A1s I ever saw were all SEA FOAM GREEN just like all the M-113 APCs I ever saw!
That black item is the back rest for the Observer's seat. It should be mounted on those two metal taps that are standing up at the front edge of the shelf.

[quote="Jeffrey_Button"]


This is the TC's side of the vehicle. You can see where the seat back goes for the ONE passenger this vehicle could carry. Below the seat back are two black round objects. That is the underside of the passenger's seat which is spring folded up against the side wall.
The hole in the roof is the underside of the air vent which is missing the cover on the top side.
Something I had forgotten about until seeing this photo was the rack for a M-79 G.L. It was stood up along the left edge of the photo. You can see a bracket mounted on the side wall were the butt of the launcher was placed. Between Germany and Ft. Bliss we had M-203 G.L. I don't ever remember carrying a M-79 while on a M-114..???...
Mounted on the side wall and below the area for "Tool Bag Storage" is what is left of the T.C.s seat assemble were you can see two coil springs. That black thing, the green rod and two green bolts is the top part of the elevator mechanism for the T.C.s seat.

- Jeffrey_Button



Looking into the Driver's compartment. Forward of the data plate, there is an item that was painted red with some white overspray. That is the one and only fixed five pound fire extinguisher. Just in front of the top of the extinguisher is the vertial part of the driver's seat. To the right of that is a plate which is the back side of the forward/rearward adjustment for the driver's seat. The back rest folded forward and layed down on the seat. I can't tell if that item is still there. Maybe part of it is. To the left of the driver's seat is an odd shaped box with most of the white paint pealing off. That is the storage box for the IR driving scope. Above it and on the wall is a smaller box with a tappered bottom. That is the stroage box for the spare head for the IR scope. That open area between the IR scope box and the left edge of the photo is where a plate was mounted just above the surface of the sponson. The radio system was mounted on that plate. Looking at the area passed the IR storage box and the gage panel is a bulkhead that angles out for the left wall until it lines up with the inside edge of the sponson. The area behind that bulkhead is the gas tank. Looking at the left end of the T-bar, you may be able to just make out a line. Going up from the T-bar it runs to a point on the hull between the two vision blocks. Going down for the T-bar, angling away from the viewer, it goes through a clamp and down behind something that I am not sure about. Maybe a foot rest, the gas peddle, or maybe part of the driver's seat. That line is a clear plastc tube that the Driver used for a gas gage. That small cyclinder and pipes on the right bulkhead I think (?) was part of the XM-27 turret hydraulic system.

Update post: After see Bob's engine compartment photo, that reminded me of something else that is missing from area in front of the driver's position. The air filtercover and filter element are missing. It's hard to make out but the top of the air intake is behond the T-bar, hanging down for the roof.

- Jeffrey_Button

in front of 1st brigade combat team HQs


Super job Jeffrey, thanks for helping your Dad photograph that Lingle for me. One question for you, 1st BCT of which division? 1st Cav or 4th Inf?

Man, does that bring back some old times! Lots of headaches and some fun.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.


Last edited by Roy_A_Lingle on Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:23 am; edited 4 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:15 am
Post subject: Re: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!

Hi Jeff! Hi Folks!

- SFC_Jeff_Button

Jeffrey was wound up to post this for you.
I noticed the 20mm storage positions everywhere. I understand 50cal, 7.62mm, and 5.56mm, but 20mm?
Did you actually fire 20mm in some configuration?


Super thanks to the both of your for all your hard work on this one.

20mm? You bet you!



That is a M-114A1E1 or sometimes called a M-114A2. It mounts a XM-27 turret with hydraulic power. The gun cradle held a M-139 20mm auto cannon made under licence from Hispano-Suiza of Switzerland.

The 25mm auto cannon mounted in the Bradleys was the winner of the Brushmaster program. The M-139 was one of two other losers in that project. Possible a good thing in the long run.

Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Jeffrey_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 16, 2006
Posts: 60
Location: Killeen,Tx
PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:32 pm
Post subject: Re: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!

Roy, the "lingle" that sits in front of 1st bct is on 1st cav's side. Smile

_________________
Jeffrey Button, aka "LiL-J"
Back to top
View user's profile
Jeffrey_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 16, 2006
Posts: 60
Location: Killeen,Tx
PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:49 pm
Post subject: Re: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!

Roy, the surfboard does need to be replacted. I'll tell my dad to notify the 1st cav museum director, that there are to many R/T antenna bases. 1. Something on the hull just in front of the left rear R/T base. No idea what that is. Where would that be. I notice that the interior was paint white.

_________________
Jeffrey Button, aka "LiL-J"
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:54 pm
Post subject: Re: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!

- Roy_A_Lingle
Hi Jeffrey! Hi Folks!


Two odd items:
1. Something on the hull just in front of the left rear R/T base. No idea what that is.
2. Notice that the Observer's hatch has a cut out on the left edge. That is where a hook like devise is turned over the hatch to lock it closed. The hook and the hole where the rod it was on the end of came up through hull is missing! Surprised

Sgt, Scouts Out!


A couple observatuions from comparing this one to the M114 in Frederick MD

1) Could this be a coverplate where a pedistal for a machine gun could be located? The Frederick vehicle has 2 mounts for pintle mount MGs around this hatch that are bolted to the top deck with 4 bolts each.

2) Roy I hate to question you on Lingle details but I looked at the Frederick MD M114 again today. The notch at the edge of the hatch appears to be where the 'hold open' on the post to the rear of the hatch would catch it and hold it open. I didn't see any indication of a hole or lever that would engage it when it was in the closed position. I thought that catch would be on the inside of the hatch so the crew could batton down the hatch to deny anyone outside access to the vehicle.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:36 am
Post subject: Re: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!

That "something on the hull just in front of the left rear R/T base", would be my sunglasses! We actually got in the car and started to drive off when I realized I had left them on the M114. I stopped the car across from the Lingle and Jeffrey ran across to grab them. Two things I can't live without, my watch and sunglasses!

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:07 am
Post subject: Re: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!

Hi Bob! Hi Folks!

- bsmart

- Roy_A_Lingle

Two odd items:
1. Something on the hull just in front of the left rear R/T base. No idea what that is.
2. Notice that the Observer's hatch has a cut out on the left edge. That is where a hook like devise is turned over the hatch to lock it closed. The hook and the hole where the rod it was on the end of came up through hull is missing! Surprised


A couple observatuions from comparing this one to the M114 in Frederick MD

1) Could this be a coverplate where a pedistal for a machine gun could be located? The Frederick vehicle has 2 mounts for pintle mount MGs around this hatch that are bolted to the top deck with 4 bolts each.

2) Roy I hate to question you on Lingle details but I looked at the Frederick MD M114 again today. The notch at the edge of the hatch appears to be where the 'hold open' on the post to the rear of the hatch would catch it and hold it open. I didn't see any indication of a hole or lever that would engage it when it was in the closed position. I thought that catch would be on the inside of the hatch so the crew could batton down the hatch to deny anyone outside access to the vehicle.


1) ? You lost me Bob, unless you are talking about Jeff's sunglasses?
Now that I know what I am looking at, I can see that object is a pair of glasses.
If you remove one of the two bases for the gun mount, the only thing under it is the four holes for the bolts, none of which goes all the way through.

2. You are very right. For the life of me, I can not remember what holds that rear hatch closed. The device I was thinking about is on the driver's hatch. That's why I can't see the hole were it comes up through the hull!

That locking system required crews of the M-114A1s and A2s to place the gun cradle down on top of the driver's hatch so the hook could not be knocked out of the way and the driver's hatch opened from the outside. One of the M-114's many faults which the Army saw no reason to correct.

Man, it has been a great week end, thanks everyone!
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:13 am
Post subject: Re: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!

Forgrt my comment #1. For some reason the glasses looked like shadows around a coverplate. Maybe I need to upgrade my monitor.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:33 am
Post subject: Re: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!

Hi Bob! Hi Folks!

- bsmart
Forgrt my comment #1. For some reason the glasses looked like shadows around a coverplate. Maybe I need to upgrade my monitor.


Both of us missed those sunglasses.
At least you picked on my mistake about the cut into the side of the observer's hatch and what is was for.

You know, for an ex-USAF type, you make an outstanding CIA.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4677
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:19 am
Post subject: Re: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!

- Roy_A_Lingle

You know, for an ex-USAF type, you make an outstanding CIA.
Sgt, Scouts Out!


I wonder what the market is for a special run of "Curmudgeon In Armor" Tee-shirts? I'm guessing we wouldn't need any in small or medium sizes. Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:27 am
Post subject: Re: "Lingle" for Roy from Jeffrey, inside pics too!!!!

Hi Doug! Hi Folks!

- Doug_Kibbey

I wonder what the market is for a special run of "Curmudgeon In Armor" Tee-shirts? I'm guessing we wouldn't need any in small or medium sizes. Wink


Hey Doug, put me down for a pair of 2Xs!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum