±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 567
Total: 567
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Home
04: Home
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Home
08: Home
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Home
12: Member Screenshots
13: Community Forums
14: Photo Gallery
15: Home
16: Community Forums
17: Home
18: Photo Gallery
19: Community Forums
20: Home
21: Community Forums
22: News Archive
23: Community Forums
24: Home
25: Photo Gallery
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Downloads
29: Home
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Photo Gallery
34: Statistics
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: News
39: Member Screenshots
40: Member Screenshots
41: Member Screenshots
42: Community Forums
43: Home
44: Home
45: Photo Gallery
46: Home
47: Photo Gallery
48: Photo Gallery
49: Photo Gallery
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Home
53: Community Forums
54: Photo Gallery
55: Statistics
56: Photo Gallery
57: Home
58: Community Forums
59: Photo Gallery
60: Community Forums
61: Photo Gallery
62: Photo Gallery
63: Community Forums
64: Photo Gallery
65: Photo Gallery
66: Photo Gallery
67: Community Forums
68: Downloads
69: Community Forums
70: Home
71: Community Forums
72: Photo Gallery
73: Member Screenshots
74: Home
75: Home
76: Home
77: Home
78: Community Forums
79: Member Screenshots
80: Community Forums
81: Photo Gallery
82: Community Forums
83: Downloads
84: Community Forums
85: Home
86: Photo Gallery
87: Home
88: Photo Gallery
89: Home
90: Community Forums
91: Downloads
92: Community Forums
93: Home
94: Home
95: Photo Gallery
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Community Forums
99: Home
100: Home
101: Community Forums
102: Statistics
103: Home
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Home
108: Community Forums
109: Photo Gallery
110: Photo Gallery
111: Statistics
112: Home
113: Community Forums
114: Photo Gallery
115: Photo Gallery
116: Photo Gallery
117: Community Forums
118: Home
119: Home
120: Community Forums
121: Home
122: Photo Gallery
123: Home
124: Photo Gallery
125: Home
126: Home
127: Community Forums
128: Home
129: Community Forums
130: Home
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Photo Gallery
134: Photo Gallery
135: Community Forums
136: Photo Gallery
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Member Screenshots
143: Photo Gallery
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Member Screenshots
147: Community Forums
148: Photo Gallery
149: Home
150: Photo Gallery
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Home
154: Community Forums
155: Photo Gallery
156: Photo Gallery
157: Photo Gallery
158: Home
159: Community Forums
160: Home
161: Home
162: Photo Gallery
163: Home
164: Community Forums
165: Photo Gallery
166: Community Forums
167: Home
168: Community Forums
169: Photo Gallery
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Home
174: Home
175: Home
176: Community Forums
177: Downloads
178: Home
179: Member Screenshots
180: Home
181: Community Forums
182: Downloads
183: Community Forums
184: News Archive
185: Community Forums
186: Home
187: Your Account
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Member Screenshots
191: Downloads
192: Community Forums
193: Home
194: Your Account
195: Home
196: Community Forums
197: Home
198: Downloads
199: Home
200: Home
201: Home
202: Home
203: Home
204: Home
205: Home
206: Home
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Home
210: Home
211: Home
212: Photo Gallery
213: Home
214: Home
215: Home
216: Community Forums
217: Home
218: Home
219: Home
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Home
223: Home
224: Home
225: Community Forums
226: Home
227: Home
228: Home
229: Home
230: Home
231: Home
232: Home
233: Community Forums
234: Home
235: Home
236: Home
237: Home
238: Home
239: Home
240: Home
241: Community Forums
242: Home
243: Home
244: Home
245: Home
246: Home
247: Community Forums
248: Home
249: Home
250: Downloads
251: Home
252: Home
253: Home
254: Home
255: Home
256: Home
257: Home
258: Home
259: Home
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Member Screenshots
265: Member Screenshots
266: Home
267: Photo Gallery
268: Home
269: Home
270: Community Forums
271: Home
272: Photo Gallery
273: Photo Gallery
274: Home
275: Community Forums
276: Home
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Photo Gallery
280: Home
281: Downloads
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Home
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Home
289: Home
290: Home
291: News Archive
292: Community Forums
293: Home
294: Community Forums
295: Photo Gallery
296: Home
297: Home
298: Home
299: Home
300: Home
301: Community Forums
302: Home
303: Home
304: Community Forums
305: News Archive
306: Home
307: Home
308: Home
309: Home
310: Home
311: Home
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Home
315: Home
316: Home
317: Home
318: Community Forums
319: Home
320: Home
321: Home
322: Home
323: Home
324: Home
325: Home
326: Community Forums
327: Home
328: Home
329: Home
330: Home
331: Home
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Home
335: Home
336: Home
337: Community Forums
338: Home
339: Home
340: Home
341: Home
342: Home
343: Home
344: Home
345: Downloads
346: Home
347: Home
348: Home
349: Home
350: Home
351: Home
352: Home
353: Home
354: Home
355: Home
356: Home
357: Home
358: Home
359: Home
360: Home
361: Photo Gallery
362: Home
363: Home
364: Home
365: Home
366: Home
367: Home
368: Community Forums
369: Home
370: Home
371: Home
372: Community Forums
373: Home
374: Home
375: Home
376: Home
377: Home
378: Home
379: Home
380: Home
381: Community Forums
382: Home
383: Home
384: Downloads
385: Home
386: Home
387: Community Forums
388: Photo Gallery
389: Community Forums
390: Home
391: Home
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Home
395: Home
396: Home
397: Home
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Home
401: Home
402: Home
403: Home
404: Home
405: Home
406: Community Forums
407: Photo Gallery
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Photo Gallery
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Home
417: Community Forums
418: Home
419: Community Forums
420: Home
421: Home
422: Photo Gallery
423: Photo Gallery
424: Home
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Photo Gallery
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Home
437: Home
438: Community Forums
439: Member Screenshots
440: Home
441: Your Account
442: Community Forums
443: Downloads
444: Community Forums
445: Home
446: Photo Gallery
447: Home
448: Community Forums
449: Home
450: Home
451: Community Forums
452: Home
453: Home
454: Downloads
455: Downloads
456: Home
457: Photo Gallery
458: Home
459: Community Forums
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Photo Gallery
463: Home
464: Community Forums
465: Home
466: Home
467: Member Screenshots
468: Community Forums
469: Home
470: Home
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Downloads
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Downloads
483: Home
484: Community Forums
485: Your Account
486: Community Forums
487: Photo Gallery
488: Member Screenshots
489: Member Screenshots
490: Home
491: Community Forums
492: Home
493: Community Forums
494: Home
495: Home
496: Home
497: Your Account
498: Community Forums
499: Home
500: Home
501: Home
502: Home
503: Home
504: Home
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Home
508: Your Account
509: Community Forums
510: Home
511: Home
512: Your Account
513: Home
514: Photo Gallery
515: Community Forums
516: Member Screenshots
517: Home
518: Home
519: Community Forums
520: Your Account
521: Community Forums
522: News
523: Home
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Home
530: Home
531: Community Forums
532: Downloads
533: Downloads
534: Home
535: Home
536: Community Forums
537: Photo Gallery
538: Member Screenshots
539: Community Forums
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Community Forums
544: Home
545: Community Forums
546: Downloads
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Home
550: Home
551: Community Forums
552: Home
553: Community Forums
554: Community Forums
555: Home
556: Community Forums
557: Home
558: Home
559: Home
560: Community Forums
561: Photo Gallery
562: Community Forums
563: Community Forums
564: Member Screenshots
565: Community Forums
566: Member Screenshots
567: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
C_Sherman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 590

PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:33 pm
Post subject: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

Hi all!

Couldn't resist the pun...but here's a Lingle I discovered in the back of a dirt parking lot at Camp Murray, WA. (Camp Murray is the Washington NG post attached to North Fort Lewis.) Apparently, it was a range target for a while, because it has a number of ricochet marks and penetrations, up to about .50cal. No engine, either. Sad







I noticed that the back hatch was not secured. I tried the latch, and it opened! I figured the inside would be pretty much trashed, based on the exterior. Confused Here's what I found:













Pretty nice, eh? Smile I wonder if the post museum has any clue that this is hiding in the back woods of the post?

Oh, yeah. The "Money Shot" Shocked :



Roy, this one's for you!

Cheers,
C

_________________
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it
will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
-Herm Albright

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

Did you get the date off the bottom left corner of the data plate, (not visable in these pictures). My Lingles serial was 3127, yours appears to be 2986, thats only about 151 units apart. It would be interesting to see the date and know the production numbers, these might have rolled off the assembly line very close together.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
C_Sherman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 590

PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

Hi Jeff,

Nope, that was the best pic I could get. The angle was awkward, because the fire extinguisher was still installed. I was tempted to move it, but it was HOT inside there and I didn't want to argue with the latches!

C

_________________
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it
will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
-Herm Albright

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

Did you look for numbers stamped on the exterior, especially near the rear lift points? I would like to see if there is any correlation with the numbers we've found on other vehicles and the dataplate SN.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
C_Sherman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 590

PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

Hi,

Bob, I looked all over the outside for numbers, before I discovered that it was unlocked. Nothing anywhere, other than the USA number stencilled on the back corner.

C

_________________
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it
will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
-Herm Albright

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:49 am
Post subject: Re: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

M114's are pretty easy to look over, and this one appears to not have the heavy paint build-up of many display versions out there. But just today, Joe DeMarco told me where to look for stampings on Shermans and I went back and found them just where he said they'd be. I thought I had done a pretty fair job of looking them over too! Once I get a chance to go back to my two "Lingles" here at Ft Hood, I'll check those stamping locations under the lift loops on the rear. Notice I called them "my" Lingles. I know more about the armor on display here than the museum staff does, haha, thanks to the many colorful personalities on this DG!, you know who you are.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:50 am
Post subject: Re: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

Hi Chuck! Hi Folks!

While the out side doesn't look so good, the inside is looking very good.
Based on the storage markings on the wall, that vehicle was a M-114A2 before someone removed almost all of the 20mm gun mount and turret drive equipment.

Thanks Chuck!
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
C_Sherman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 590

PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:43 am
Post subject: Re: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

- Roy_A_Lingle


Based on the storage markings on the wall, that vehicle was a M-114A2 before someone removed almost all of the 20mm gun mount and turret drive equipment.



I'd noticed the 20mm markings, which made me think that it once had a 20mm turret installed. The data plate indicates it started life as an A1, and then someone stamped "E1" under that. So, M114A1E1...is that anything like an M114A2?

C

_________________
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it
will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
-Herm Albright

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

Hi Chuck! Hi Folks!

- C_Sherman

I'd noticed the 20mm markings, which made me think that it once had a 20mm turret installed. The data plate indicates it started life as an A1, and then someone stamped "E1" under that. So, M114A1E1...is that anything like an M114A2?


The M114A1E1 and the M114A2 are the same vehicle. The XM-26 turret on the M-114A1 and the XM-27 turret on the M-114A1E1/A2 is the same. The armored turret, vision blocks, and the hatch are same. What was changed was the gun cradle and the drive system under the turret.
When the 20mm replaced the the 50 cal, the vehicle name changed from M-114A1 to M-114A1E1. When I was in Germany, we went through a period were we switch back and forth between calling them E1s and A2s. When I transfered to the 3rd ACR at Ft. Bliss, they were being called A2s there. That is why I call them A2s. AFAIK, the 3rd ACR was the very last Army unit (active and reserve) to use the M114.
Almost all AFV books label the 20mm version the E1 so offically maybe it never was labled an A2.

Chuck, did you notice the 30 cal ammo lables on the wall? The Army never updated them to 7.62mm when the original 30 cal was replaced by the M-60 MG.

Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:33 pm
Post subject: Re: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

What are 'Rocket Grenades' that the label has a place for?

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

Hi Bob! Hi Folks!

- bsmart

What are 'Rocket Grenades' that the label has a place for?


There was a bag that was hung there. Original it was for RIFLE grenades for the M-14 rilfes the crew had. After the M-14s were replaced with M-16s, the bag was used for what ever the crew wanted to put in it.

Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
wgtactical
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 23, 2007
Posts: 89
Location: Carrollton, Georgia
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:04 am
Post subject: Re: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

Roy, do you know where a M114A1E1 (A2) might be that I can get some dimensions from the cupola? I have some XM26 cupolas, that I would like to take one and add the XM27 modifications. There is also a small block that bolts to it on the outside of the cupola, just under the gun, that allows the hydraulics to go from the controls thru the cupola and finally to the gun. I am still sourcing a few parts to make this one correct. Thanks Roy!

_________________
knowledge will find you
Back to top
View user's profile
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

I'm a little confused. In the first photo of the interior it appears to say "Cal.50 AMMO" above the personnel heater laying there. (Heaters had to be removed to pull the power pack). This would in fact make it an M114A1. But another picture of the left side says "20mm Ammo". Found this interesting. Another thing I noticed is I thought these were built by Cadillac (GM).

By the way WGTI, do you have any more videos besides the M114 on YouTube?

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
wgtactical
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 23, 2007
Posts: 89
Location: Carrollton, Georgia
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

I noticed the same thing about the 20mm/.50 cal. But to answer your question, no we dont have any additional videos (yet) We are expecting to have Gwinnett SWAT's M114 were in a week or so, and were planning a video of it. At the moment our attention is on the LAV300 that is here for a facelift. I will post pics and vids as we have them available.
Also, I am still looking for the fire control box and a hydraulic accumulator for the M114A1E1 if anybody knows where some might be.

_________________
knowledge will find you
Back to top
View user's profile
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:32 pm
Post subject: Re: Here's MY ding-a-Lingle!

I don't know how hard it would be to get one but there are a bunch of M114's at White Sands Missile Range.

A note here about North Fort Lewis: In November '71 a group of us had just graduated from Basic Training at Fort Ord and we were sent to Fort Lewis with our guaranteed assignments with 3d ACR. The bus driver mistakenly dropped us off at a North Fort Infantry AIT company on a Friday. The drill sergeants said we would start Infantry AIT the following Monday! We were fuming! I think they just screwed with us because we were relocated Monday. Man did we ever piss and moan that long weekend!

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum