±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 320
Total: 320
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Home
03: Home
04: Home
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: News
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Member Screenshots
12: Your Account
13: Member Screenshots
14: Home
15: Downloads
16: Home
17: Member Screenshots
18: Member Screenshots
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Member Screenshots
22: Home
23: Home
24: Community Forums
25: Member Screenshots
26: Community Forums
27: Home
28: Member Screenshots
29: Home
30: News
31: Photo Gallery
32: Downloads
33: News
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Your Account
41: Home
42: Community Forums
43: News Archive
44: Home
45: Home
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Home
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Member Screenshots
53: Community Forums
54: Home
55: Downloads
56: News Archive
57: Home
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Downloads
61: Downloads
62: Photo Gallery
63: Home
64: Downloads
65: Home
66: Member Screenshots
67: Downloads
68: Home
69: Photo Gallery
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Downloads
73: Member Screenshots
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: News Archive
79: Community Forums
80: Downloads
81: Community Forums
82: Member Screenshots
83: Community Forums
84: Home
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Home
88: Community Forums
89: Home
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Member Screenshots
94: Photo Gallery
95: Member Screenshots
96: Community Forums
97: Statistics
98: Home
99: Home
100: Member Screenshots
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Home
104: Community Forums
105: Downloads
106: Your Account
107: Your Account
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Statistics
111: Home
112: Member Screenshots
113: Community Forums
114: Member Screenshots
115: Home
116: Downloads
117: Member Screenshots
118: Community Forums
119: Home
120: Community Forums
121: Downloads
122: Home
123: Member Screenshots
124: Downloads
125: Community Forums
126: Home
127: Community Forums
128: News Archive
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Member Screenshots
134: Home
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Home
138: Member Screenshots
139: Home
140: Community Forums
141: Downloads
142: Photo Gallery
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Member Screenshots
147: Home
148: Member Screenshots
149: Home
150: Downloads
151: News Archive
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Photo Gallery
155: Downloads
156: Your Account
157: Home
158: Photo Gallery
159: Home
160: Member Screenshots
161: Community Forums
162: Downloads
163: Community Forums
164: Home
165: Your Account
166: Community Forums
167: Member Screenshots
168: Home
169: Community Forums
170: Member Screenshots
171: Downloads
172: Member Screenshots
173: Home
174: Community Forums
175: Home
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Downloads
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Home
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Home
185: Home
186: Community Forums
187: Member Screenshots
188: Home
189: Home
190: Home
191: Photo Gallery
192: Home
193: Home
194: Home
195: Member Screenshots
196: Your Account
197: Community Forums
198: Home
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Photo Gallery
202: Community Forums
203: Downloads
204: Downloads
205: Home
206: Member Screenshots
207: Home
208: Home
209: Home
210: Home
211: Photo Gallery
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Home
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Your Account
223: Downloads
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Home
228: Community Forums
229: Photo Gallery
230: Member Screenshots
231: Your Account
232: Member Screenshots
233: Community Forums
234: Member Screenshots
235: Photo Gallery
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Home
239: Downloads
240: Community Forums
241: Home
242: News Archive
243: Member Screenshots
244: Home
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: News
248: Member Screenshots
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Home
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Member Screenshots
255: Community Forums
256: Photo Gallery
257: Member Screenshots
258: Downloads
259: Home
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Member Screenshots
263: Member Screenshots
264: Member Screenshots
265: Home
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Home
269: Downloads
270: Home
271: Member Screenshots
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Home
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: News Archive
281: Community Forums
282: Statistics
283: News Archive
284: Home
285: Community Forums
286: Home
287: Member Screenshots
288: Community Forums
289: Downloads
290: Photo Gallery
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Downloads
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Home
299: Photo Gallery
300: Community Forums
301: Member Screenshots
302: Photo Gallery
303: Community Forums
304: Member Screenshots
305: Community Forums
306: Home
307: Member Screenshots
308: Home
309: Member Screenshots
310: Home
311: Community Forums
312: Home
313: Photo Gallery
314: Home
315: Home
316: Member Screenshots
317: Community Forums
318: Downloads
319: News Archive
320: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Never seen this one before....
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:08 am
Post subject: Never seen this one before....

Found this photo while surfing around. Never seen this before.



FYI
Don

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:59 am
Post subject: Re: Never seen this one before....

Hi Don! Hi Folks!

Doesn't surprise me. The Marines are always looking for something a bit smaller that what the Army uses so their helicopters have more range when airlifting.

I wonder if by chance, that vehicle will fit inside a CH-53 or maybe a V-22?
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:06 am
Post subject: Re: Never seen this one before....

Its a Gelandewagen - plenty of images on JED

www.jedsite.info/trans...eries.html

MerecedesBenz manufacture - its the first IFAV I've seen with a TOW mount though.

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
oldertop
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 20, 2006
Posts: 76

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:59 am
Post subject: Re: Never seen this one before....

Ya..its the Corps Mercedes "SUV," theres a row of them sitting in a lot at Camp Lejeune. It seems the Corps still had not at the time they put these "tincan" fighting vehicles in service lerned the differance between a fighting vehicle and just another bad idea. The first thing they (the USMC) found out was that when engaged in a fight the personnel in the front seats were dead ducks....so they remove the front doors to allow the personnel a chance to bail out ..Oh they also forgot the the vehicle has no armor so the bullets just go through one side (and who ever is inside) and out the other, and the maint of these vehicles was contracted out side the Corps. And no it won't fit in a V-22, one thing the Corps forgot to mention during the hipe campaign for the V-22 was there wasn't a single vehicle in the inventory that would fit in this aircraft....So without calling to much attention the corps has let a contract out for the development of a vehicle that will fit inside...oh and the total lifting cap. of the V-22 is 10,000 lbs. so we now know it won't be a fighting vehicle huh.
Back to top
View user's profile
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Never seen this one before....

Looks like the good old MB290. In the early days of the air mobile brigade over here they used also MB290s with TOWs.

IIRC they are now replaced by LSVs with Gills.

BTW is it normal on ranges that you don't use camo, hessian etc?
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:07 pm
Post subject: Re: Never seen this one before....

I think these should be replaced by the new Internally Transportable Vehicles (ITV):

hqinet001.hqmc.usmc.mi...ehicle.pdf



Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Never seen this one before....

- oldertop
Ya..its the Corps Mercedes "SUV," theres a row of them sitting in a lot at Camp Lejeune. It seems the Corps still had not at the time they put these "tincan" fighting vehicles in service lerned the differance between a fighting vehicle and just another bad idea. The first thing they (the USMC) found out was that when engaged in a fight the personnel in the front seats were dead ducks....so they remove the front doors to allow the personnel a chance to bail out ..Oh they also forgot the the vehicle has no armor so the bullets just go through one side (and who ever is inside) and out the other, and the maint of these vehicles was contracted out side the Corps. And no it won't fit in a V-22, one thing the Corps forgot to mention during the hipe campaign for the V-22 was there wasn't a single vehicle in the inventory that would fit in this aircraft....So without calling to much attention the corps has let a contract out for the development of a vehicle that will fit inside...oh and the total lifting cap. of the V-22 is 10,000 lbs. so we now know it won't be a fighting vehicle huh.


IFAV served the same purpose as its predecessors and its replacement as a fast attack vehicle - it isn't and never was intended to stand there and slog it out hence the lack of armour.

As for the Osprey thing - the IFAV fits in the CH-46 Sea Knight, CH-53 Sea Stallion and the Osprey. In the case of the Osprey its was one of the design criteria.

Just added some more images to JED.

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Never seen this one before....

Jim,
You mean the ITV would fit in the -46, 53 and V-22 right? According to the pdf, the IFAV can fit in a -53, but not a V-22.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
oldertop
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 20, 2006
Posts: 76

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:37 pm
Post subject: Re: Never seen this one before....

Ya all it needs is to have a top speed of 2,000+ fps so it can out run the bullets,Its listed as a fighting vehicle so what kind of fight will it get into...snowballs! If this vehicle is used on patrols they'll need a spoon and plastic bag to pick up whats left of the crew, it does not fit in a V-22's cargo area and thats why theres a development contract for a new vehicle, the "Globe" announced the development contract two months ago . Have you ever seen the cargo space of the V-22 (and yes I have as well as been in one) and theres no way in hell you'er going to get that SUV in it, its a damn tight fit for 18 combat ready troopers as it is.
As for this vehicles predecessor (remember its the Marine Corps) they had brought back the M151 (someone saw to many "The Desert Rats" TV shows) , but the U.S. Navy was madder than hell about it because once again they would have't have gasoline storage for these vehicles on they'er landing support ships, what finely killed off the M151s was the parts shortage (there was none in the system).
I'll bet someone will come up with the well used quote " this vehicle was never designed to go near the front lines", and the answer to that is "this nation hasn't fought a war with a frontline in 35 years!"
As for the dimension of the V22 (given 5.10 ft.) what hey don't mention is that its "T" shaped with the smaller with dimensions at the lower section.


Last edited by oldertop on Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:10 pm; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:02 pm
Post subject: Re: Never seen this one before....

The maximum width of a G-wagen is 5.6 - the minimum cargo area width of an Osprey is 5.10 tight yes but still feasible.

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
oldertop
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 20, 2006
Posts: 76

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Never seen this one before....

then why let a development contract?
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:08 am
Post subject: Re: Never seen this one before....

Hi Jim! Hi Folks!

- JimWeb

As for the Osprey thing - the IFAV fits in the CH-46 Sea Knight, CH-53 Sea Stallion and the Osprey.


If the IFAV(G-wagon) fits, then why does the USMC Concepts + Programs 2005 pdf say: "The Interim Fast Attack Vehicle is currently fielded and is deployable inside the CH-53 aircraft, but the GCE currently has no (<<<<<?????) ground mobility platform that can deploy inside (<<<<<<?????) the MV-22."

I read that to mean the IFAV (G-wagon) does NOT fit inside a MV-22.

- JimWeb

In the case of the Osprey its was one of the design criteria.


I understand the ITV (mini-M151) was designed to fit inside the MV-22. Are you saying the IFAV(G-wagon) was picked because it would fit inside the MV-22?

Very confuzed. Confused
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:21 am
Post subject: Re: Never seen this one before....

No actually what I am working my way round to saying is the USMC would probably have their funding for the new vehicle cut or removed if, officially, the IFAV did fit in the Osprey.

Do you follow my reasoning?

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:57 am
Post subject: Re: Never seen this one before....

Hi Odertop! Hi Folks!

- oldertop

Ya all it needs is to have a top speed of 2,000+ fps so it can out run the bullets,Its listed as a fighting vehicle so what kind of fight will it get into...snowballs! If this vehicle is used on patrols they'll need a spoon and plastic bag to pick up whats left of the crew, ...
.....As for this vehicles predecessor (remember its the Marine Corps) they had brought back the M151 (someone saw to many "The Desert Rats" TV shows) , .....
.....I'll bet someone will come up with the well used quote " this vehicle was never designed to go near the front lines", .....


I see the IFAV(G-wagon) as the newest version of the WW II gun jeep where Scouts armed with machine guns and light mortars leading the main force units. The Army has deployed Scouts with light wheeled vehicles ever sense the first jeeps. It wasn't until the M1114 uparmored Hummer was fielded that scouts had a wheeled vehicle with some armor. A vehicle that, do to it's large size, many claim is the wrong type of vehicle for scouts.

I agree that this type of vehicle is a bit new to the Corps and I am not sure just what the plan is for them. But then I am still trying to understand why the Corps has four light armored recon battalions using 8x8 armored cars.

My guess is those light wheeled vehicles will be used on patrols (and scouting missions) and the crews and their leadership will taking on much more than snowballs. Just like Army Scouts have been sense WWII. Nothing new about using none armored wheeled vehicles in a shooting match.

"The Desert Rats" TV show is good entainment. All Scouts get a good laugh watching a jeep with a machine gun take out a M47 medium tank. Lesson to be learned is NEVER try that in real shooting match.

As for someone claiming those vehicles where not designed to go near a front line, that's true! They are designed to be airlifted over and dropped behind the front lines. Wink

The Marines are changing, hopefully they will be able to put the right mix of riflemen and supporting equipment together for the next mission.
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Never seen this one before....

This is quite a different photo.

Found it in a newsletter from a Texas Military site. Lost the link, but printed up a couple of pages with interesting photos. I'll dig up the link and post it.




Edit: I found it. Here is the link: Texas Military Museum Newsletter

Don

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum