±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 527
Total: 527
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Photo Gallery
06: Community Forums
07: Statistics
08: Member Screenshots
09: Community Forums
10: Member Screenshots
11: Home
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Member Screenshots
15: Community Forums
16: Member Screenshots
17: Photo Gallery
18: Photo Gallery
19: Home
20: Member Screenshots
21: Community Forums
22: Photo Gallery
23: Community Forums
24: Photo Gallery
25: Home
26: News Archive
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Home
30: Your Account
31: Home
32: Member Screenshots
33: Photo Gallery
34: Member Screenshots
35: Photo Gallery
36: Statistics
37: Home
38: Community Forums
39: Home
40: Community Forums
41: Downloads
42: Photo Gallery
43: Community Forums
44: Home
45: Home
46: Home
47: News
48: Home
49: Home
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Home
55: Member Screenshots
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Home
67: Photo Gallery
68: News Archive
69: Photo Gallery
70: Photo Gallery
71: Statistics
72: Community Forums
73: Member Screenshots
74: Home
75: Downloads
76: Photo Gallery
77: Your Account
78: Community Forums
79: Photo Gallery
80: Community Forums
81: Statistics
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Photo Gallery
85: Home
86: Downloads
87: Photo Gallery
88: Downloads
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Community Forums
94: Home
95: Home
96: Home
97: Home
98: Home
99: Community Forums
100: Member Screenshots
101: Photo Gallery
102: Community Forums
103: Photo Gallery
104: Community Forums
105: Home
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Photo Gallery
110: Community Forums
111: Photo Gallery
112: Member Screenshots
113: Home
114: Photo Gallery
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Home
119: Downloads
120: Photo Gallery
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Member Screenshots
125: Tell a Friend
126: Photo Gallery
127: Member Screenshots
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Downloads
132: Photo Gallery
133: Community Forums
134: Photo Gallery
135: Community Forums
136: Member Screenshots
137: News Archive
138: Home
139: Community Forums
140: Photo Gallery
141: News Archive
142: Downloads
143: Community Forums
144: Home
145: Community Forums
146: Home
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Home
150: Community Forums
151: Photo Gallery
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Photo Gallery
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: News Archive
159: News Archive
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Photo Gallery
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Photo Gallery
167: News Archive
168: Community Forums
169: News Archive
170: Downloads
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Downloads
176: Photo Gallery
177: Photo Gallery
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Home
182: Home
183: Community Forums
184: Downloads
185: Home
186: Home
187: Home
188: Home
189: Home
190: Home
191: Downloads
192: Home
193: Home
194: Home
195: Home
196: Home
197: Community Forums
198: Downloads
199: Community Forums
200: Member Screenshots
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Home
204: Community Forums
205: News
206: Supporters
207: Photo Gallery
208: Downloads
209: News Archive
210: Community Forums
211: News Archive
212: Home
213: Home
214: Community Forums
215: Photo Gallery
216: Member Screenshots
217: Downloads
218: Downloads
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Member Screenshots
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Home
225: Community Forums
226: Home
227: Home
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Home
231: Home
232: Home
233: Member Screenshots
234: Home
235: Statistics
236: Home
237: Downloads
238: Home
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Downloads
242: Community Forums
243: Photo Gallery
244: Home
245: Community Forums
246: Home
247: Home
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Home
251: Community Forums
252: Home
253: Member Screenshots
254: Member Screenshots
255: Photo Gallery
256: News Archive
257: Community Forums
258: Member Screenshots
259: Member Screenshots
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Home
263: News
264: Photo Gallery
265: Photo Gallery
266: Home
267: Home
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Photo Gallery
272: Member Screenshots
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Photo Gallery
278: Downloads
279: Community Forums
280: Downloads
281: News Archive
282: Home
283: Photo Gallery
284: Community Forums
285: Downloads
286: Community Forums
287: Home
288: Photo Gallery
289: Photo Gallery
290: Photo Gallery
291: Community Forums
292: Home
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Home
298: Photo Gallery
299: Community Forums
300: Member Screenshots
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Photo Gallery
305: Photo Gallery
306: Community Forums
307: Member Screenshots
308: Community Forums
309: Photo Gallery
310: Home
311: Community Forums
312: Home
313: Home
314: Home
315: Home
316: Home
317: Downloads
318: Home
319: Member Screenshots
320: Home
321: Home
322: Photo Gallery
323: News Archive
324: Home
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Photo Gallery
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Downloads
331: Photo Gallery
332: Photo Gallery
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Member Screenshots
337: Home
338: Home
339: Community Forums
340: Home
341: Home
342: Home
343: Community Forums
344: Home
345: Community Forums
346: Home
347: Community Forums
348: Home
349: Downloads
350: Home
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Downloads
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Downloads
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Photo Gallery
362: Community Forums
363: Photo Gallery
364: Photo Gallery
365: Community Forums
366: News Archive
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: Photo Gallery
370: Photo Gallery
371: Community Forums
372: Photo Gallery
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: News Archive
377: Community Forums
378: Home
379: Community Forums
380: Downloads
381: Community Forums
382: Photo Gallery
383: Community Forums
384: Photo Gallery
385: Photo Gallery
386: Community Forums
387: Home
388: Home
389: Photo Gallery
390: News Archive
391: News Archive
392: Member Screenshots
393: Community Forums
394: Photo Gallery
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Home
398: Photo Gallery
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Photo Gallery
403: Photo Gallery
404: Photo Gallery
405: Photo Gallery
406: Community Forums
407: Home
408: News Archive
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Photo Gallery
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Photo Gallery
416: Member Screenshots
417: Community Forums
418: Home
419: Home
420: Home
421: Home
422: Member Screenshots
423: Member Screenshots
424: Photo Gallery
425: Member Screenshots
426: Home
427: News
428: Community Forums
429: Home
430: Member Screenshots
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Photo Gallery
434: Photo Gallery
435: News
436: Home
437: Home
438: Community Forums
439: Member Screenshots
440: Photo Gallery
441: Home
442: Member Screenshots
443: Community Forums
444: Home
445: Member Screenshots
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Home
450: Home
451: Home
452: Home
453: Downloads
454: Home
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Member Screenshots
460: Downloads
461: Home
462: Home
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Photo Gallery
468: Home
469: Downloads
470: News
471: News Archive
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Home
476: Photo Gallery
477: Home
478: Home
479: Community Forums
480: Home
481: Home
482: Photo Gallery
483: Home
484: Photo Gallery
485: Community Forums
486: Downloads
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Community Forums
491: Photo Gallery
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Photo Gallery
495: Home
496: Home
497: Community Forums
498: Photo Gallery
499: News Archive
500: Home
501: Community Forums
502: Photo Gallery
503: Photo Gallery
504: Statistics
505: Community Forums
506: Home
507: Photo Gallery
508: Photo Gallery
509: Photo Gallery
510: Member Screenshots
511: Home
512: Photo Gallery
513: Photo Gallery
514: Home
515: Home
516: Community Forums
517: Downloads
518: Photo Gallery
519: Downloads
520: Community Forums
521: Home
522: Photo Gallery
523: Home
524: Photo Gallery
525: News Archive
526: Home
527: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:21 pm
Post subject: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

Hi all,
Is this tank a Sherman Duplex Drive? It's exposed outside the Saumur Tank Museum in France. If yes, it would be the 8th one that I know for the moment..
Bovington (UK) has one complete, there is another one (welded hull) in Courseulles sur Mer (Juno Beach, France), one (cast hull) is in Slaptons Sands (UK) as a monument, 2 (both cast hull) are exposed in Port-en-Bessin (France) in the DDay Wreck Museum, one (cast hull) is in a museum in Italia, the last one is a prototype on a HVSS sherman in Aberdeen (USA). Hope this one is the 8th !!!



Best regards from France

Pierre-Olivier
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Al_Bowie
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 34

PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:50 pm
Post subject: Re: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

The only 76 armed DD I have seen was the trialled IIIAY - M4A2 76 HVSS by the Brits. I know of no M4A1 76 DD's ever being manufactured. The lower hull looks to be a DD and many large hatch M4A1 hulls were used. I think this is a post war mockup of a DD possible for a movie? The lowert hull may be genuine but the turret has probably been added later.
CHeers
AL
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

- Al_Bowie
The only 76 armed DD I have seen was the trialled IIIAY - M4A2 76 HVSS by the Brits.


You mean like this one?





With Shermans, it seems like there's almost always an exception. There was a whole series of articles in Museum Ordnance on such exceptions.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Al_Bowie
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 34

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:09 am
Post subject: Re: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

Yep, I'd say that was the one. Interesting to see the Grouser storage vents on an A2. Where is this one?
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:14 am
Post subject: Re: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

The Ordnance Museum (albeit in storage) at Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Scott_Taylor
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 80
Location: London, Ontario
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

Hi Neil:

I'd really appreciate more photos of that vehicle. Have you been able to pull any serials from it? Also, is it publicly accessible at all? I'm going to be coming to the AMPS convention next April and would very much like to see this particular tank.

Cheers and thanks,

Scott Taylor
Thachweave Products
thachweave.tripod.com
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:33 pm
Post subject: Re: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

Is AMPS coming back to Maryland again?

Sorry, its really not publicly accessible. Bob has pretty good pull over at the museum, but I'm not even sure what was the last time he got up & close. You'll notice all my pics are through the fence. And FYI that was based on guidance regarding photography that I received personally from security - not to say everyone else would get the same advice...

Unfortunately, due to the access issues, I dont know that anyone has gotten serials off of it. If anyone did it would be Joe DeMarco, and I'm pretty certain he doesnt - at least last time I talked to him...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

Interesting reads from the AMPS site. A lot of talk about how "successfull" the show was this year in Ohio and then one line about 2007 being back in MD - with no explanation...

www.amps-armor.org/amp...esMsg.aspx

www.amps-armor.org/amp...s2007.aspx

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

- Neil_Baumgardner
Is AMPS coming back to Maryland again?

Sorry, its really not publicly accessible. Bob has pretty good pull over at the museum, but I'm not even sure what was the last time he got up & close. You'll notice all my pics are through the fence. And FYI that was based on guidance regarding photography that I received personally from security - not to say everyone else would get the same advice...

Unfortunately, due to the access issues, I dont know that anyone has gotten serials off of it. If anyone did it would be Joe DeMarco, and I'm pretty certain he doesnt - at least last time I talked to him...

Neil


I'll make no promises right now but I may be able to arrange a group tour of the yard where that tank and several others are stored for AMPS weekend if there is interest. The main problem with access is that the yard is locked and the key is kept in a shop that is also closed on weekends so I would have to work with the Museum staff to arrange it but I think it is do-able. If it happens we may need to but some reasonable upper limit on how many people can come on the 'tour' so if anyone is interested let me know.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

The Aberdeen HVSS DD tank seems to have been put on public display few years ago..





Pierre-Olivier
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

You'd have to count me in for such a tour. Plus I am sure Joe would jump at the chance to get some SNs off the DD.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
piney
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 2330
Location: Republic of Southern New Jersey
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

Count me in too Bob, Smile When would the date range be?
Jeff Lewis
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:33 pm
Post subject: Re: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

Well, AMPS is April 21 & 22 next year...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

- the_shadock
The Aberdeen HVSS DD tank seems to have been put on public display few years ago..





Pierre-Olivier


Well that is the 'old old' Mile of tanks. I think that would be before the current Maryland Ave gate was constructed which I think was in the early 90s. Do you have any idea when the photo was taken? I'm guessing mid 80s at the latest

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
jtrowbridge5
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 234

PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Saumur Tank Museum - Sherman DD ???

sherman DD in action
dennis
click on pic to enlarge
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum