±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 487
Total: 487
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Downloads
06: Photo Gallery
07: Downloads
08: Member Screenshots
09: Community Forums
10: Photo Gallery
11: Photo Gallery
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Member Screenshots
15: Photo Gallery
16: Home
17: Photo Gallery
18: Photo Gallery
19: Home
20: Photo Gallery
21: Statistics
22: Member Screenshots
23: Member Screenshots
24: Downloads
25: Photo Gallery
26: Photo Gallery
27: Member Screenshots
28: Community Forums
29: Member Screenshots
30: Member Screenshots
31: Home
32: Home
33: Home
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Downloads
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Downloads
40: Home
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: News Archive
44: Photo Gallery
45: Photo Gallery
46: Photo Gallery
47: Photo Gallery
48: Home
49: Member Screenshots
50: Photo Gallery
51: Downloads
52: Photo Gallery
53: Home
54: Downloads
55: Photo Gallery
56: Statistics
57: Photo Gallery
58: Photo Gallery
59: Photo Gallery
60: Member Screenshots
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: Photo Gallery
65: News Archive
66: Photo Gallery
67: Downloads
68: Home
69: Home
70: Member Screenshots
71: Downloads
72: Photo Gallery
73: Community Forums
74: Home
75: Photo Gallery
76: Community Forums
77: Photo Gallery
78: Photo Gallery
79: Community Forums
80: Home
81: Downloads
82: Statistics
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Member Screenshots
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Photo Gallery
89: Photo Gallery
90: Community Forums
91: Photo Gallery
92: Home
93: Photo Gallery
94: Statistics
95: Photo Gallery
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Community Forums
99: Statistics
100: Home
101: Member Screenshots
102: Photo Gallery
103: Community Forums
104: Member Screenshots
105: Downloads
106: Community Forums
107: Home
108: Photo Gallery
109: Member Screenshots
110: Photo Gallery
111: Member Screenshots
112: Home
113: Photo Gallery
114: Home
115: Community Forums
116: Photo Gallery
117: Photo Gallery
118: Photo Gallery
119: Home
120: Home
121: Member Screenshots
122: Downloads
123: Downloads
124: Downloads
125: Member Screenshots
126: Member Screenshots
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Home
131: Community Forums
132: Photo Gallery
133: Statistics
134: Treasury
135: Home
136: Photo Gallery
137: Home
138: Member Screenshots
139: News Archive
140: News Archive
141: Community Forums
142: News Archive
143: Downloads
144: Photo Gallery
145: Downloads
146: Home
147: Member Screenshots
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Home
151: Community Forums
152: Home
153: Home
154: Photo Gallery
155: Home
156: Member Screenshots
157: News Archive
158: Community Forums
159: Downloads
160: Member Screenshots
161: Downloads
162: Community Forums
163: Downloads
164: Member Screenshots
165: Home
166: Member Screenshots
167: Member Screenshots
168: Member Screenshots
169: Photo Gallery
170: Member Screenshots
171: Member Screenshots
172: Community Forums
173: Member Screenshots
174: Home
175: News Archive
176: News Archive
177: Home
178: Photo Gallery
179: Member Screenshots
180: Downloads
181: Home
182: Photo Gallery
183: Downloads
184: Photo Gallery
185: Home
186: Member Screenshots
187: Photo Gallery
188: News
189: Community Forums
190: Photo Gallery
191: Community Forums
192: Photo Gallery
193: Photo Gallery
194: Home
195: Member Screenshots
196: Statistics
197: Home
198: Downloads
199: Photo Gallery
200: News Archive
201: News Archive
202: Downloads
203: News Archive
204: Home
205: Photo Gallery
206: Photo Gallery
207: Member Screenshots
208: Home
209: Photo Gallery
210: Home
211: Community Forums
212: Photo Gallery
213: Member Screenshots
214: Community Forums
215: Photo Gallery
216: Photo Gallery
217: Photo Gallery
218: News Archive
219: Home
220: Photo Gallery
221: News Archive
222: Photo Gallery
223: Home
224: News Archive
225: Member Screenshots
226: Statistics
227: Photo Gallery
228: Member Screenshots
229: Photo Gallery
230: Member Screenshots
231: Community Forums
232: Home
233: Member Screenshots
234: Photo Gallery
235: Community Forums
236: Home
237: Home
238: Home
239: Home
240: Community Forums
241: Photo Gallery
242: Community Forums
243: Photo Gallery
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Photo Gallery
247: Community Forums
248: Member Screenshots
249: Member Screenshots
250: Photo Gallery
251: Downloads
252: Member Screenshots
253: Member Screenshots
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Photo Gallery
257: Member Screenshots
258: Photo Gallery
259: Member Screenshots
260: Home
261: Photo Gallery
262: Community Forums
263: Member Screenshots
264: Member Screenshots
265: Member Screenshots
266: Downloads
267: Member Screenshots
268: Photo Gallery
269: Downloads
270: Downloads
271: Photo Gallery
272: Home
273: Downloads
274: Photo Gallery
275: Photo Gallery
276: News Archive
277: Statistics
278: Photo Gallery
279: Community Forums
280: Photo Gallery
281: Downloads
282: Community Forums
283: Member Screenshots
284: Community Forums
285: Photo Gallery
286: Home
287: Member Screenshots
288: Community Forums
289: Downloads
290: Photo Gallery
291: Community Forums
292: Member Screenshots
293: Downloads
294: Downloads
295: Photo Gallery
296: Downloads
297: Photo Gallery
298: Member Screenshots
299: Member Screenshots
300: Member Screenshots
301: Community Forums
302: Member Screenshots
303: Community Forums
304: Photo Gallery
305: Community Forums
306: Photo Gallery
307: Downloads
308: Member Screenshots
309: Home
310: Member Screenshots
311: Member Screenshots
312: Community Forums
313: Photo Gallery
314: Member Screenshots
315: Member Screenshots
316: Home
317: Member Screenshots
318: Photo Gallery
319: Statistics
320: News Archive
321: Home
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Photo Gallery
325: Community Forums
326: Member Screenshots
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Member Screenshots
332: Photo Gallery
333: Member Screenshots
334: Member Screenshots
335: Member Screenshots
336: Photo Gallery
337: Photo Gallery
338: Downloads
339: Member Screenshots
340: Photo Gallery
341: Community Forums
342: Member Screenshots
343: News Archive
344: Home
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Photo Gallery
348: Photo Gallery
349: Photo Gallery
350: Member Screenshots
351: Community Forums
352: Photo Gallery
353: Downloads
354: Photo Gallery
355: Downloads
356: Community Forums
357: Statistics
358: Member Screenshots
359: Member Screenshots
360: Downloads
361: Downloads
362: Photo Gallery
363: Photo Gallery
364: Photo Gallery
365: Downloads
366: Member Screenshots
367: Downloads
368: Community Forums
369: Photo Gallery
370: Photo Gallery
371: Community Forums
372: Home
373: Statistics
374: Photo Gallery
375: Home
376: Downloads
377: Member Screenshots
378: Downloads
379: Photo Gallery
380: Home
381: Home
382: Community Forums
383: Member Screenshots
384: Home
385: Photo Gallery
386: Member Screenshots
387: Photo Gallery
388: Home
389: News Archive
390: Home
391: Photo Gallery
392: Member Screenshots
393: Photo Gallery
394: Photo Gallery
395: Photo Gallery
396: Member Screenshots
397: Member Screenshots
398: Home
399: Photo Gallery
400: Home
401: Photo Gallery
402: Photo Gallery
403: Home
404: Photo Gallery
405: Community Forums
406: Home
407: Downloads
408: Community Forums
409: News Archive
410: Home
411: Community Forums
412: Home
413: Photo Gallery
414: News Archive
415: Home
416: Member Screenshots
417: Home
418: Home
419: Member Screenshots
420: Home
421: Photo Gallery
422: Home
423: News Archive
424: Photo Gallery
425: Downloads
426: Member Screenshots
427: Photo Gallery
428: Community Forums
429: Photo Gallery
430: Home
431: Home
432: Photo Gallery
433: Home
434: Member Screenshots
435: Home
436: Member Screenshots
437: Home
438: Photo Gallery
439: Home
440: Home
441: Photo Gallery
442: Member Screenshots
443: Member Screenshots
444: Photo Gallery
445: Community Forums
446: Photo Gallery
447: Photo Gallery
448: Photo Gallery
449: Photo Gallery
450: Community Forums
451: Photo Gallery
452: Home
453: Photo Gallery
454: Home
455: Home
456: Photo Gallery
457: Member Screenshots
458: Photo Gallery
459: Photo Gallery
460: Downloads
461: Home
462: Photo Gallery
463: Home
464: Downloads
465: Downloads
466: Member Screenshots
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Home
470: Member Screenshots
471: Member Screenshots
472: Member Screenshots
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Downloads
476: Statistics
477: Home
478: Home
479: Member Screenshots
480: Home
481: Community Forums
482: Photo Gallery
483: Community Forums
484: Photo Gallery
485: Member Screenshots
486: Home
487: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
David_Clark
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 16, 2006
Posts: 36

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:22 am
Post subject: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

The first 18 (of 59) M1A1 AIM MBTs and 5 (of 7) M88A2 ARV arrived in Melbourne this morning. Motorists were warned of delays as the transporters travelled at 10kph over the Westgate Bridge (I hope that won't be the usual speed for deployment):

www.defence.gov.au/med...060922.cfm

Although in an urban/industrial landscape, the photos of the Abrams show how much the sand finish will contrast with the Australian environment (unless operating in coastal dunes). For those unfamiliar with Australia, our deserts have red sand and the bush is generally olive green to brown. I guess that's why our military equipment is generally olive drab, tan and black (or red for northwestern arid environments).

David
Back to top
View user's profile
Coldsteel
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:26 am
Post subject: Re: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

Thanks David, I had heard they were being shipped a while ago and was begining to wonder where they were! Smile

Interesting, you really can see the clear hubs on the road wheels, and the tracks have rusted. Might have to have a look for that new M1A1 AIM kit now.
Back to top
View user's profile
A2_Prius
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 27, 2006
Posts: 112

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:33 pm
Post subject: Re: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

So what's with the Leo that is being unloaded, too?
Back to top
View user's profile
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

- David_Clark
...Although in an urban/industrial landscape, the photos of the Abrams show how much the sand finish will contrast with the Australian environment (unless operating in coastal dunes). For those unfamiliar with Australia, our deserts have red sand and the bush is generally olive green to brown. I guess that's why our military equipment is generally olive drab, tan and black (or red for northwestern arid environments).

David
Why would the color matter that much, unless you plan on fighting the enemy on your own homeland. Many western aligned nations do not really fear fighting off an invasion since most enemy forces lack global power projection (ability to get their stuff to your shore).

It makes more sense to keep your equipment painted in their homeland colors. It sends them a subtle message.

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

Knowing that the Aussies have desert/hot weather experience with their Leo 1's, you can be sure there have been frequent liaison visits with the Canadians. We know how to make our kit work in the worst cold of the Northern hemisphere. But unless Australia needs to run its LAVs in, oh say Norway or southern Chile, we won't be able to reciprocate.
Back to top
View user's profile
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

Second point, I closely examined one of the M1A1 in transit photos. I see no evidence of the infamous AFV News Forum 'comb' on the glacis plate.

The last time the US shipped tanks to the Aussies, didn't they all have 'combs'? What's going on? Wink
Back to top
View user's profile
Coldsteel
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:32 am
Post subject: Re: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

- A2_Prius
So what's with the Leo that is being unloaded, too?


First up, I do not know. But it could be that they wanted to put on some parade or display in Melbourne and brought it along to show what the M1 was replacing.

Even in the high res photo there is a lot of heat haze but it looks fairly neat and tidy, it could be that it is not being unloaded, it's being loaded, possibly for a museum in the US maybe?
Back to top
View user's profile
David_Clark
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 16, 2006
Posts: 36

PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:27 am
Post subject: Re: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

- Sabot
Why would the color matter that much, unless you plan on fighting the enemy on your own homeland.


Rob

Apparently, they will be fitted with the Barracuda Mobile Camouflage System so it probably doesn't matter what colour they are:
www.defense-update.com...racuda.htm

The three colour camouflage would have made for a much more interesting model - perhaps we should have ordered the NATO three colour finish.

The 1st Armd Regt used to be known as the Koalas - endangered species, never to be exported and definitely not to be shot at. That changed with the deployment of Centurions to Vietnam but it's difficult to see the circumstances that would justify the offshore deployment of our new MBTs. However, the world certainly isn't what it used to be.

David
Back to top
View user's profile
David_Clark
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 16, 2006
Posts: 36

PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:37 am
Post subject: Re: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

- A2_Prius
So what's with the Leo that is being unloaded, too?


I haven't managed to find out anything about the Leo but the caption says that it is being loaded onto the transporter. However, it's highly unlikley that the ship would have called in at Darwin to pick up a Leo. It seems to be in pristine condition and I suspect it may have been brought down from Puckapunyal as a prop for the handover ceremony.

David
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

- Maple_Leaf_Eh
Second point, I closely examined one of the M1A1 in transit photos. I see no evidence of the infamous AFV News Forum 'comb' on the glacis plate.

The last time the US shipped tanks to the Aussies, didn't they all have 'combs'? What's going on? Wink


Hey when you get a cutrate price something has to be deleted to make the deal work. That extra $9.95 item (Available at the dime store for $.39 but under a government contract the price is always higher) may have just been the deal maker/breaker

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
David_Clark
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 16, 2006
Posts: 36

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:09 am
Post subject: Re: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

- Maple_Leaf_Eh
Second point, I closely examined one of the M1A1 in transit photos. I see no evidence of the infamous AFV News Forum 'comb' on the glacis plate.

The last time the US shipped tanks to the Aussies, didn't they all have 'combs'? What's going on? Wink


I must admit that I haven't looked closely but I can't recall combs on any of the preserved M3s (could be hidden under the transmission applique armour). Perhaps we were ripped off and should now demand recompense in the form of a decent 3 colour camouflage on the M1A1s.

David
Back to top
View user's profile
JG300-Ascout
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 6257
Location: Cyberspace
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:02 am
Post subject: Re: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

- Maple_Leaf_Eh
Second point, I closely examined one of the M1A1 in transit photos. I see no evidence of the infamous AFV News Forum 'comb' on the glacis plate.

The last time the US shipped tanks to the Aussies, didn't they all have 'combs'? What's going on? Wink


Rendered obsolete and redundant by the introduction of the portable hair dryer since WWII....check in the stowage boxes.

_________________
"All facts go to clearly prove that Shades is a thrice-cursed traitor & mentally deranged person steeped in inveterate enmity toward mankind"
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:43 am
Post subject: Re: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

Found this News video clip, for those interested.

National News: Army reveals new Abrams tanks

Don

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
mikek92888
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 15, 2006
Posts: 50

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

On the National Geographic Channel they had a program called "Ultimate Factories M-1 Tank" where they showed how the M-1 was remanufactured. Towards the end of the program they show several of the M-1's with the kangaroo painted on the turret and hull. It isn't out on DVD yet, but when it does come out the programn will be worth getting.
Back to top
View user's profile
David_Clark
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 16, 2006
Posts: 36

PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:46 am
Post subject: Re: Australian M1A1 AIM arrive in Melbourne

That explains the Leo - it was a prop for the Minister's speech!

David
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum