±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 647
Total: 647
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Home
06: Community Forums
07: Photo Gallery
08: Community Forums
09: Home
10: Community Forums
11: Photo Gallery
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: News Archive
15: Home
16: Community Forums
17: Photo Gallery
18: Community Forums
19: Photo Gallery
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Member Screenshots
24: Community Forums
25: Home
26: Home
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: News Archive
30: Home
31: Community Forums
32: Photo Gallery
33: Community Forums
34: Downloads
35: Downloads
36: Home
37: Home
38: Home
39: Home
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Photo Gallery
43: Member Screenshots
44: Community Forums
45: Downloads
46: Community Forums
47: Home
48: News Archive
49: News Archive
50: Home
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: News
54: Community Forums
55: Member Screenshots
56: Home
57: News Archive
58: Community Forums
59: Member Screenshots
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Photo Gallery
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Member Screenshots
66: Downloads
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Downloads
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Home
75: Community Forums
76: Downloads
77: Community Forums
78: Member Screenshots
79: Home
80: Home
81: Home
82: Home
83: Home
84: Home
85: Home
86: Home
87: Home
88: Downloads
89: Community Forums
90: Home
91: Home
92: Home
93: Home
94: Home
95: Community Forums
96: Home
97: Home
98: Home
99: Photo Gallery
100: Home
101: Home
102: Home
103: Home
104: Downloads
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Photo Gallery
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Photo Gallery
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Photo Gallery
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Home
122: Community Forums
123: Downloads
124: Home
125: Community Forums
126: Home
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Home
130: News
131: Community Forums
132: Photo Gallery
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Downloads
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Home
142: Home
143: Member Screenshots
144: Downloads
145: Home
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Home
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Home
152: Community Forums
153: News
154: Member Screenshots
155: Community Forums
156: Home
157: Home
158: Community Forums
159: Member Screenshots
160: Community Forums
161: Downloads
162: Home
163: Home
164: Home
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Home
168: LinkToUs
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Photo Gallery
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Supporters
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Home
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Member Screenshots
184: Community Forums
185: Photo Gallery
186: Photo Gallery
187: News Archive
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Home
194: Community Forums
195: Downloads
196: Community Forums
197: Member Screenshots
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Statistics
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Your Account
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Photo Gallery
210: Member Screenshots
211: Community Forums
212: Photo Gallery
213: News Archive
214: Photo Gallery
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Home
220: Community Forums
221: Statistics
222: Community Forums
223: Downloads
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Home
235: Community Forums
236: Home
237: Member Screenshots
238: Statistics
239: News Archive
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Member Screenshots
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Photo Gallery
248: Home
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Home
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Photo Gallery
257: Community Forums
258: Member Screenshots
259: Home
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Photo Gallery
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Photo Gallery
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Member Screenshots
274: Member Screenshots
275: Photo Gallery
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Photo Gallery
285: Downloads
286: Community Forums
287: Home
288: Community Forums
289: Member Screenshots
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Home
294: Photo Gallery
295: Member Screenshots
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Home
303: Home
304: Community Forums
305: Photo Gallery
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Downloads
309: Member Screenshots
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Photo Gallery
313: News Archive
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Member Screenshots
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Home
321: Home
322: Member Screenshots
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Photo Gallery
326: Community Forums
327: Downloads
328: Photo Gallery
329: News
330: Community Forums
331: Member Screenshots
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Member Screenshots
335: News Archive
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Member Screenshots
339: Member Screenshots
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Home
347: Photo Gallery
348: Home
349: News
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Member Screenshots
353: Photo Gallery
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Member Screenshots
357: Community Forums
358: Photo Gallery
359: Member Screenshots
360: Home
361: Home
362: Home
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: News Archive
367: Home
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Home
372: Home
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Home
376: Supporters
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Photo Gallery
380: Photo Gallery
381: Home
382: Home
383: Statistics
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Statistics
387: Home
388: Home
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Downloads
392: Home
393: Community Forums
394: Home
395: Home
396: Community Forums
397: Home
398: Community Forums
399: Home
400: Community Forums
401: Statistics
402: Home
403: Community Forums
404: Downloads
405: Home
406: Community Forums
407: Downloads
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Home
411: Supporters
412: Photo Gallery
413: Community Forums
414: Home
415: Downloads
416: Photo Gallery
417: Community Forums
418: Home
419: Home
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: News
425: Photo Gallery
426: Downloads
427: Home
428: Community Forums
429: News Archive
430: Community Forums
431: Home
432: Downloads
433: Downloads
434: Community Forums
435: Photo Gallery
436: Home
437: Member Screenshots
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Member Screenshots
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Home
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Photo Gallery
448: Your Account
449: Community Forums
450: Statistics
451: Community Forums
452: Home
453: Community Forums
454: Photo Gallery
455: Home
456: Community Forums
457: Home
458: Home
459: Photo Gallery
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Treasury
463: Community Forums
464: Home
465: Community Forums
466: Statistics
467: Community Forums
468: Downloads
469: Community Forums
470: Home
471: News
472: Community Forums
473: News
474: Downloads
475: Home
476: Community Forums
477: Home
478: News Archive
479: Community Forums
480: Member Screenshots
481: Community Forums
482: Member Screenshots
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Member Screenshots
486: Member Screenshots
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Home
490: Community Forums
491: Member Screenshots
492: Member Screenshots
493: Home
494: Home
495: Community Forums
496: Photo Gallery
497: Photo Gallery
498: Community Forums
499: Photo Gallery
500: Community Forums
501: Photo Gallery
502: Community Forums
503: News Archive
504: News Archive
505: Member Screenshots
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: News Archive
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Community Forums
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Contact
520: Downloads
521: News
522: Home
523: News Archive
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Member Screenshots
527: Downloads
528: Community Forums
529: Member Screenshots
530: Community Forums
531: Photo Gallery
532: Community Forums
533: Member Screenshots
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Downloads
537: Photo Gallery
538: Community Forums
539: Community Forums
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Community Forums
544: Home
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Member Screenshots
552: Home
553: Downloads
554: Member Screenshots
555: Downloads
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Photo Gallery
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Home
563: Downloads
564: Community Forums
565: Community Forums
566: News Archive
567: Member Screenshots
568: Community Forums
569: Photo Gallery
570: Photo Gallery
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Home
576: Community Forums
577: Home
578: Downloads
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Community Forums
582: Photo Gallery
583: Community Forums
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Home
588: Home
589: Home
590: Community Forums
591: News
592: Community Forums
593: Community Forums
594: Member Screenshots
595: Community Forums
596: Photo Gallery
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: News Archive
600: Supporters
601: Community Forums
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: Member Screenshots
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: Home
608: Home
609: Community Forums
610: Community Forums
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Home
618: Photo Gallery
619: Downloads
620: Community Forums
621: Member Screenshots
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: Member Screenshots
626: Downloads
627: Member Screenshots
628: Community Forums
629: Home
630: Community Forums
631: Home
632: Member Screenshots
633: News Archive
634: Community Forums
635: Home
636: Community Forums
637: Home
638: Member Screenshots
639: Community Forums
640: Community Forums
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Member Screenshots
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Some ID Help needed...
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:30 pm
Post subject: Some ID Help needed...

No, not the M48 turrets... The vehicles in the background. Leopard 1-based right? But I cant quite figure out what they are...



Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

Just an educated guess, but it looks like the missile armed version of the Jagdpanzer Kanone called the Jagdpanzer Rakete. The missile raised out of those two top doors.

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

Yep, thats it - Jaguar 2s.

Thanks Sabot...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

- Neil_Baumgardner
No, not the M48 turrets... The vehicles in the background. Leopard 1-based right? But I cant quite figure out what they are...



Neil


Are those M48 turrets or early M60 turrets?
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

I'd guess M48 and not early M60 for the following reasons:
1. Position of the bore evacuator at the end of the barrel (muzzle brake removed) vs. the center identifies this as a 90mm vs a 105mm gun.
2. The Bundeswehr used the M48, but not the M60.

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

- Sabot
I'd guess M48 and not early M60 for the following reasons:
1. Position of the bore evacuator at the end of the barrel (muzzle brake removed) vs. the center identifies this as a 90mm vs a 105mm gun.
2. The Bundeswehr used the M48, but not the M60.


Thanks Rob...I couldn't tell if that bore evacuator was at the end or the middle of the barrel...the perspective is skewed by the angle of the shot. I think you're probably right.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
mike_Duplessis
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 236

PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:40 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

Jaguar 2s. Think old JPZ Kanones with the 90mm gun removed and pop-up TOW missile launcher installed. Those tall periscope masts were recycled - originally guidance periscopes for the the wire-guided missiles on the JPZ Racket (or however it was spelled).

Its appropriate to see M48 turrets in the foreground. the M48 and JPZ Kanone both chambered the same 90mm ammo (Though the JPZ Kanone had a much shorter barrel).

Oh, and I think holding up a GPS thingy in the foreground only works if you can read the numbers in the photo Wink
Back to top
View user's profile
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:40 am
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

Someone explain to me the purpose of the old turrets on the ground. Were parts used / taken from them? What happened to the hulls they came from?

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:43 am
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

I believe the German Army converted the M48 into AVLBs before they developed their homeground Leopard 1 based Biber bridgelayer.

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

Were is this picture taken (if known....)

Regards,
Lesley
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:16 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

Hammelburg, Bavaria.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

- Sabot
I believe the German Army converted the M48 into AVLBs before they developed their homeground Leopard 1 based Biber bridgelayer.


Rob,

to the best of my knowledge, we bought the AVLBs from the US, and upgraded our M48A2s with 105mm guns for use in the Heimatschutzbrigaden (reserve units). However, when those became redundant as well, some were converted into Keiler mine-clearing vehicles.

Keiler MCS

Cheers,

Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
obob
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 08, 2007
Posts: 14
Location: South SF-Bay area, California
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

- Neil_Baumgardner
Hammelburg, Bavaria.


wasn't that the nearest city to the fictional "Stalag 13" of "Hogan's Heroes"?
Back to top
View user's profile
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:40 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

- obob

wasn't that the nearest city to the fictional "Stalag 13" of "Hogan's Heroes"?


Methinks you're right, there was also a Stalag there in real life (actually an Oflag, an officer's prison camp) which gained some fame due to the fact that Patton's son-in-law was held there- have a look at "Taskforce Baum and the Hammelburg raid" for further details.

Cheers,

Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:26 am
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

Jens,
I really liked that Taskforce Baum site. Very interesting, got anymore links like that?

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum