±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 480
Total: 480
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Home
03: Home
04: Member Screenshots
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: Home
08: Home
09: Photo Gallery
10: Community Forums
11: Home
12: Home
13: Photo Gallery
14: Home
15: Community Forums
16: Home
17: Home
18: Home
19: Home
20: Downloads
21: Home
22: Community Forums
23: Home
24: News Archive
25: Photo Gallery
26: News
27: Community Forums
28: Member Screenshots
29: Downloads
30: Member Screenshots
31: Home
32: Member Screenshots
33: Member Screenshots
34: Tell a Friend
35: Home
36: Community Forums
37: Member Screenshots
38: Photo Gallery
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Home
42: Member Screenshots
43: Home
44: Member Screenshots
45: Member Screenshots
46: Home
47: Home
48: Home
49: Member Screenshots
50: Downloads
51: Home
52: Your Account
53: Member Screenshots
54: Home
55: Home
56: Home
57: Photo Gallery
58: Home
59: Home
60: Home
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: Home
65: Home
66: Member Screenshots
67: Home
68: Home
69: Home
70: Home
71: Home
72: Your Account
73: Member Screenshots
74: Member Screenshots
75: Home
76: Home
77: Community Forums
78: Home
79: Home
80: Home
81: Home
82: Home
83: Home
84: Home
85: Home
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Home
89: Home
90: Community Forums
91: Member Screenshots
92: Home
93: Your Account
94: Home
95: Community Forums
96: Home
97: Community Forums
98: Home
99: Home
100: Home
101: Home
102: Home
103: Home
104: Home
105: Home
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Home
109: Home
110: News Archive
111: Home
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Home
115: Home
116: Home
117: Home
118: Home
119: Photo Gallery
120: Community Forums
121: Home
122: Photo Gallery
123: Member Screenshots
124: Home
125: Home
126: Photo Gallery
127: Home
128: Home
129: Home
130: Home
131: Photo Gallery
132: Home
133: Home
134: Home
135: Home
136: Photo Gallery
137: Downloads
138: Statistics
139: Photo Gallery
140: Downloads
141: News Archive
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Home
145: Downloads
146: Photo Gallery
147: Member Screenshots
148: Community Forums
149: Home
150: Photo Gallery
151: Community Forums
152: Downloads
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Member Screenshots
156: Member Screenshots
157: Home
158: Home
159: Member Screenshots
160: Member Screenshots
161: Home
162: Community Forums
163: Home
164: Home
165: Home
166: Home
167: Home
168: Home
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Home
172: Home
173: Home
174: Member Screenshots
175: Photo Gallery
176: Community Forums
177: Home
178: Member Screenshots
179: Home
180: Community Forums
181: Home
182: Home
183: Community Forums
184: Member Screenshots
185: Photo Gallery
186: Community Forums
187: Home
188: Member Screenshots
189: Home
190: Member Screenshots
191: Community Forums
192: Member Screenshots
193: Home
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Downloads
197: News Archive
198: Home
199: Home
200: Home
201: Home
202: Home
203: Home
204: Home
205: Home
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Home
209: Home
210: Home
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Downloads
214: Home
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Home
218: Community Forums
219: Home
220: Home
221: Home
222: Home
223: Member Screenshots
224: Downloads
225: Community Forums
226: Home
227: Photo Gallery
228: Home
229: Home
230: Community Forums
231: Home
232: Downloads
233: Photo Gallery
234: Your Account
235: Home
236: Member Screenshots
237: Home
238: Member Screenshots
239: Member Screenshots
240: Home
241: Community Forums
242: Member Screenshots
243: Photo Gallery
244: Home
245: Statistics
246: Home
247: Member Screenshots
248: Photo Gallery
249: Home
250: Home
251: Home
252: Home
253: Home
254: Member Screenshots
255: Photo Gallery
256: Member Screenshots
257: Home
258: Photo Gallery
259: Photo Gallery
260: Home
261: Member Screenshots
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Photo Gallery
265: Community Forums
266: Home
267: Home
268: Downloads
269: Home
270: Home
271: Downloads
272: Photo Gallery
273: Home
274: Home
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Home
278: Home
279: Community Forums
280: Home
281: Home
282: Your Account
283: Home
284: Statistics
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Member Screenshots
288: Home
289: Photo Gallery
290: Home
291: Home
292: Member Screenshots
293: Photo Gallery
294: Member Screenshots
295: News Archive
296: Community Forums
297: Member Screenshots
298: Home
299: Home
300: Home
301: Member Screenshots
302: Member Screenshots
303: Home
304: Photo Gallery
305: Member Screenshots
306: Community Forums
307: Member Screenshots
308: Home
309: Community Forums
310: Home
311: Home
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Photo Gallery
315: Home
316: Downloads
317: Home
318: Photo Gallery
319: Community Forums
320: Photo Gallery
321: Home
322: Home
323: Member Screenshots
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Home
327: Community Forums
328: Member Screenshots
329: Home
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Member Screenshots
333: Photo Gallery
334: Photo Gallery
335: News Archive
336: Home
337: Community Forums
338: Member Screenshots
339: Member Screenshots
340: Your Account
341: Community Forums
342: Member Screenshots
343: Member Screenshots
344: Home
345: Home
346: Member Screenshots
347: Downloads
348: Photo Gallery
349: Home
350: Photo Gallery
351: Downloads
352: Community Forums
353: Home
354: Home
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Member Screenshots
358: Member Screenshots
359: Downloads
360: Member Screenshots
361: Photo Gallery
362: Community Forums
363: Photo Gallery
364: Photo Gallery
365: Home
366: Home
367: Member Screenshots
368: Community Forums
369: Downloads
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Downloads
373: Member Screenshots
374: Home
375: Member Screenshots
376: Community Forums
377: Home
378: Member Screenshots
379: Home
380: Home
381: Photo Gallery
382: Community Forums
383: Home
384: Community Forums
385: Your Account
386: News Archive
387: Home
388: Home
389: Home
390: Member Screenshots
391: Member Screenshots
392: Downloads
393: Home
394: Home
395: Home
396: Home
397: Member Screenshots
398: Home
399: Home
400: Photo Gallery
401: Home
402: Community Forums
403: News
404: Home
405: Home
406: News Archive
407: Member Screenshots
408: Home
409: News
410: Community Forums
411: Photo Gallery
412: Home
413: Community Forums
414: News
415: Photo Gallery
416: Home
417: Community Forums
418: Home
419: Your Account
420: Home
421: Photo Gallery
422: Community Forums
423: Home
424: Home
425: Home
426: Home
427: Home
428: Home
429: Community Forums
430: Your Account
431: Home
432: Home
433: Member Screenshots
434: Home
435: Home
436: Home
437: Home
438: Home
439: Home
440: Home
441: Home
442: Your Account
443: Home
444: Photo Gallery
445: Member Screenshots
446: Home
447: Community Forums
448: Home
449: Home
450: Home
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Home
454: Community Forums
455: Home
456: Home
457: Home
458: Community Forums
459: Home
460: Home
461: Home
462: Home
463: Home
464: Home
465: Statistics
466: Downloads
467: Member Screenshots
468: Home
469: Home
470: Your Account
471: Community Forums
472: Home
473: Community Forums
474: Home
475: Community Forums
476: Home
477: Home
478: Home
479: Home
480: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:18 pm
Post subject: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,

Here are some new pictures, my friend just got back from Argentine. These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires, a right click and save will give you more info.....The museum was closed so he only got to see what was outside, the WWII vehicles are inside. I will send him back sometime in the future.....

[


Last edited by armyjunk2 on Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:46 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:34 pm
Post subject: Re: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,

"APOYO scoutcar" = ERC 90 Sagaie?

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:59 pm
Post subject: Re: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,

- Neil_Baumgardner
"APOYO scoutcar" = ERC 90 Sagaie?

Neil


There are several differences between these two vehicles..

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:25 pm
Post subject: Re: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,

Yeah, I thought so, but they are remarkably close. I was thinking some sort of variant? Or is this an Argentinian copy?

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:29 pm
Post subject: Re: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,

In fact, it seems that several vehicles are close to the French one, for instance :


VAE1 Prototype Argentine


VAB, Véhicule de l'Avant Blindé


APOYO scoutcar


ERC-90 Sagaie



[/quote]
Argentinian AMX-113 (or AMX-13?)


AMX-13

I think that AMX-13s were produced by France and exported to Argentine (as the M-113 were ; however the wheels and tracks of the Argentinian AMX-13 are different from the French ones), the VAE may be a copy or a variant of the French VAB and the APOYO .. some quite modified variant..

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:59 pm
Post subject: Re: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,

- armyjunk2





This is a definite German 'Marder' knock off. Turret is different but hull is same... With that damn rear 'remote' 7.62mm MG.

It was explained to me that only good this did was block the rear entrance / exit ramp of the infantry dismounts. PanzerGrenaders tended to hate that weapon mount.

Don

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:36 pm
Post subject: Re: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,

Here is the sign that was in front of it, apparently based on the Panhard ET chassis. Someone in here can read Spanish I bet

Back to top
View user's profile
Hellfish6
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
Posts: 151
Location: Orlando
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:07 pm
Post subject: Re: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,

- Dontos
- armyjunk2





This is a definite German 'Marder' knock off. Turret is different but hull is same... With that damn rear 'remote' 7.62mm MG.

It was explained to me that only good this did was block the rear entrance / exit ramp of the infantry dismounts. PanzerGrenaders tended to hate that weapon mount.

Don


I don't remember the name of this vehicle, but it was based off the chassis of the TAM (Tanque Argentino Mediano), which was an Argentinian built tank designed by Thyssen Henschel (IIRC) on the Marder chassis. The TAM and this APC are still in service, I'm pretty sure. Hell, I think the M5 half track in still in service there too (and other Latin American countries).
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:44 pm
Post subject: Re: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,

Thats a TAM VTCP

www.armyrecognition.co...iption.htm

Checking Jane's World Armies, the only half-tracks I can find still in service are M2s/M3s with the Dominican Republic - although Israel may still have them in reserve...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Hellfish6
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
Posts: 151
Location: Orlando
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:20 pm
Post subject: Re: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,

Maybe they just gave them up very recently. I'm 99% sure I've seen pics of Chilean, Mexican and Argentine (maybe Ecuadorean too?) half tracks that were at most a couple years old.

I know Peru only just gave up their M4s around 2000 and Mexico still may have its cavalry regiment with M5s, M8s and halftracks on the Guatemalan border. I know they saw service in Chiapas.
Back to top
View user's profile
Hellfish6
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
Posts: 151
Location: Orlando
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:26 pm
Post subject: Re: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,











TAMs and some stuff on the TAM chassis
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:28 pm
Post subject: Re: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,

Looks like Leo 1 turret on the Marder chassis.

Interesting
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:59 pm
Post subject: Re: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,

Thats a TAM tank.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAM_(tank)

www.armyrecognition.co...iption.htm

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:58 pm
Post subject: Re: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,

Yep, an old 1998 Jane's reference (World Markets For Armoured And Military Logistic Vehicles), refers to half-tracks in service with Argentina, Chile, the Dominican Republic and Mexico - as well as Benin, Cameroon, Chad, Greece, Israel, Madagascar, Senegal, Togo, and Congo/Zaire.

Further investigation shows they they remain in service with the Benin, Cameroon, the Dominican Republic, Iran, Israel (in reserve), Madagascar, Paraguay, Senegal, and Togo.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:10 am
Post subject: Re: These are at the Argentine Army Museum in Buenos Aires,

You learn something new everyday - the BMS-1 Alacran, a 1980s development project by Chile's Cardoen.





www.ejercito-armada-ex...concre.htm

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum