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French and American FT-17
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Larkum's Preserved Tanks in France says there is an FT-17 at the "Somme Museum" in Amiens... Anyone know which museum this is, or have a pic of this FT-17?

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Here is an FT-17 TSF at Zeiterholz in France (yes, the suspension is not original - or useful!):



www.mablehome.com/molv...rholz2.htm

There's apparently also an FT-17 TSF in Fermont, France and at the Hackenberg Museum in Veckring, France.

Apparently they were buried on the Maginot Line - not sure which location this is from:





There were also turret emplacements, but these appear to be seperate from hulls:
po2260.club.fr/FT17/FT...DIVERS.htm

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Neil,

I also noticed these hulls and not listed FT-17s. I will check this up this week, not really the time yet. The museum with the turrets and the FT-17 body is 20 kilometers far from where I live and I wondered what's this steel box with big rivets... Laughing . That's the famous "Bunker with a tank on the top" a.k.a. the Casemate Esch museum. Here are some photos :



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Here is an FT-17 TSF at Zeiterholz in France (yes, the suspension is not original - or useful!):




Thats a Citroen-produced suspension unit used to emplace the hulls after they had been stripped of the suspension - the hull should be sat on steel platform between the track units. Merely used to carry the hull.

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Which tank does this turret come from? I did a quick search.. but obviously it doesn't correspond to any French pre-WW2 tank..

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Based on the rear pictures at this link, I am not sure the turrets are attached to hulls:
po2260.club.fr/FT17/FT...DIVERS.htm

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Which tank does this turret come from? I did a quick search.. but obviously it doesn't correspond to any French pre-WW2 tank..

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I was wondering if they are not tank turrets but were purpose designed to be used in the fixed location

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:50 pm
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Here is the FT-17 tank turret at Riva Bella in Normandy
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Here is an FT-17 TSF at Zeiterholz in France (yes, the suspension is not original - or useful!):




Thats a Citroen-produced suspension unit used to emplace the hulls after they had been stripped of the suspension - the hull should be sat on steel platform between the track units. Merely used to carry the hull. Cool


Well, I once did some investigations about those dug out FT-17 TSF hulls on display at the "Ouvrages" of Zeiterholtz (but this one is an "abri"), Hackenberg, Fermont, etc. for the "Wheels & Tracks" magazine. They had their running gear and engine removed and were concreted into the soil with only their 'transmisson'-turret above ground level to act as observations posts in the "Ligne Maginot".

The Zeiterholtz example's non-original suspension actually came - according to its removers/restorers, with which I then spoke - from an old small tracked vineyard tractor (the famous "Moselle" valley is in the vicinity)! It even has sprockets - very unusual for a towed vehicle. Furthermore, I never heard of any such 'transport platforms', nor saw a picture of one in books about the Maginot Line...

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The Zeiterholtz example's non-original suspension actually came - according to its removers/restorers, with which I then spoke - from an old small tracked vineyard tractor (the famous "Moselle" valley is in the vicinity)! It even has sprockets - very unusual for a towed vehicle. Furthermore, I never heard of any such 'transport platforms', nor saw a picture of one in books about the Maginot Line...


That will teach me to rely on the memory of an 90 year old frenchman...

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:15 am
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I believe that is a Hotchkiss Mle1935-1937 turret for fortifications.



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Which tank does this turret come from? I did a quick search.. but obviously it doesn't correspond to any French pre-WW2 tank..

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I was wondering if they are not tank turrets but were purpose designed to be used in the fixed location
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Not to steal his thunder, but Pierre-Olivier got some pretty interesting info from Mr Otoupalik on various FT-17s & M1917s...

According to him, the FT-17 at APG with the M1917 turret was the first FT-17 sent to the US by France for use as the standard for the M1917...

The M1917s at the AAF Tank Museum in Danville VA, West Point Museum, Littlefield's collection & Otoupalik's collection were all owned by M.C. Bradley Military Rental Studios in Hollywood from 1922 to 1967.

Mr Otoupalik's FT-17 was originally a gift of the French government to the city of San Francisco and actually saw combat during WWI - it was hit by a 77mm shell!

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I believe that is a Hotchkiss Mle1935-1937 turret for fortifications.


Thanks mdc1.

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FT-17 or 6 Ton Tank at Aberdeen Ordnance Museum (photo from November 2009)
www.flickr.com/photos/...761401831/
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Hmm... It appears they have repainted the “First US Sample Tank” (M1917), which was made from mild steel - previously on loan from the Smithsonian Institution to the National Museum of the U.S. Marine Corps at Quantico. I last saw it at museum warehouse.



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