±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 371
Total: 371
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Home
04: Community Forums
05: Home
06: Home
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Home
10: Home
11: Home
12: Downloads
13: Photo Gallery
14: Photo Gallery
15: Home
16: Community Forums
17: Home
18: Photo Gallery
19: Home
20: Photo Gallery
21: Community Forums
22: Home
23: Home
24: Member Screenshots
25: Home
26: Photo Gallery
27: Home
28: Downloads
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: News Archive
32: Home
33: Home
34: Home
35: Home
36: Home
37: Community Forums
38: Home
39: Home
40: Member Screenshots
41: Photo Gallery
42: Home
43: Home
44: Member Screenshots
45: Community Forums
46: Home
47: Home
48: Community Forums
49: Photo Gallery
50: Home
51: Member Screenshots
52: Home
53: Home
54: Home
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Photo Gallery
58: Member Screenshots
59: Photo Gallery
60: Home
61: Member Screenshots
62: Home
63: Home
64: Photo Gallery
65: Home
66: Home
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Downloads
70: Community Forums
71: Home
72: Community Forums
73: Photo Gallery
74: Member Screenshots
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Member Screenshots
78: Photo Gallery
79: Home
80: Photo Gallery
81: Community Forums
82: Home
83: Home
84: Home
85: Community Forums
86: Home
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Home
91: Photo Gallery
92: Home
93: Statistics
94: Member Screenshots
95: Member Screenshots
96: Statistics
97: Community Forums
98: Home
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Home
103: Home
104: Community Forums
105: Home
106: Home
107: Home
108: Member Screenshots
109: Home
110: News Archive
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Member Screenshots
114: Your Account
115: Home
116: Home
117: Home
118: Community Forums
119: Home
120: Community Forums
121: Photo Gallery
122: Member Screenshots
123: Community Forums
124: Home
125: Photo Gallery
126: Downloads
127: Member Screenshots
128: Home
129: Downloads
130: Statistics
131: Community Forums
132: Home
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Member Screenshots
137: Member Screenshots
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Home
141: Community Forums
142: Member Screenshots
143: Member Screenshots
144: Member Screenshots
145: Member Screenshots
146: Home
147: Member Screenshots
148: Home
149: Downloads
150: Member Screenshots
151: Community Forums
152: Member Screenshots
153: Photo Gallery
154: Downloads
155: Community Forums
156: Member Screenshots
157: Member Screenshots
158: Member Screenshots
159: Photo Gallery
160: News Archive
161: Member Screenshots
162: Community Forums
163: Home
164: Photo Gallery
165: Home
166: News Archive
167: Community Forums
168: Home
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Photo Gallery
172: Home
173: Home
174: Community Forums
175: Statistics
176: Home
177: Home
178: Member Screenshots
179: Member Screenshots
180: Home
181: Member Screenshots
182: Home
183: Home
184: Community Forums
185: Member Screenshots
186: Home
187: Home
188: News
189: Member Screenshots
190: News
191: Home
192: Supporters
193: Home
194: Home
195: Home
196: Home
197: Home
198: News Archive
199: Community Forums
200: Member Screenshots
201: Community Forums
202: Photo Gallery
203: Community Forums
204: Home
205: Community Forums
206: News Archive
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Downloads
210: Home
211: Member Screenshots
212: Home
213: Photo Gallery
214: Home
215: Community Forums
216: Home
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Member Screenshots
221: Home
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Home
226: Home
227: Home
228: Statistics
229: Community Forums
230: Home
231: Community Forums
232: Member Screenshots
233: Home
234: Member Screenshots
235: Downloads
236: Community Forums
237: Statistics
238: Member Screenshots
239: Photo Gallery
240: Community Forums
241: Photo Gallery
242: Home
243: Home
244: Member Screenshots
245: Community Forums
246: Home
247: Member Screenshots
248: Downloads
249: Home
250: Community Forums
251: Home
252: Member Screenshots
253: Community Forums
254: Home
255: Community Forums
256: Member Screenshots
257: Member Screenshots
258: Home
259: Community Forums
260: Home
261: Member Screenshots
262: Statistics
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Home
266: Member Screenshots
267: Community Forums
268: Home
269: Photo Gallery
270: Home
271: Community Forums
272: Downloads
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Home
276: Home
277: Home
278: Community Forums
279: Home
280: Treasury
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Member Screenshots
284: Home
285: Home
286: Home
287: Community Forums
288: Member Screenshots
289: Member Screenshots
290: News Archive
291: Photo Gallery
292: Member Screenshots
293: Home
294: Member Screenshots
295: Community Forums
296: Home
297: Statistics
298: News
299: Member Screenshots
300: Community Forums
301: Member Screenshots
302: Member Screenshots
303: Member Screenshots
304: Member Screenshots
305: Home
306: Photo Gallery
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Member Screenshots
310: Community Forums
311: Your Account
312: Home
313: News Archive
314: News Archive
315: Photo Gallery
316: Community Forums
317: Member Screenshots
318: Photo Gallery
319: Downloads
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: News Archive
324: Community Forums
325: Downloads
326: News
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Photo Gallery
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Photo Gallery
334: Community Forums
335: Downloads
336: Home
337: Community Forums
338: Home
339: Member Screenshots
340: Statistics
341: Home
342: Home
343: Home
344: Home
345: Downloads
346: Member Screenshots
347: Photo Gallery
348: Community Forums
349: Photo Gallery
350: Member Screenshots
351: Community Forums
352: Member Screenshots
353: News Archive
354: Home
355: Home
356: Home
357: Member Screenshots
358: Community Forums
359: Home
360: Photo Gallery
361: Community Forums
362: Member Screenshots
363: Downloads
364: Member Screenshots
365: Downloads
366: Downloads
367: Home
368: Member Screenshots
369: Home
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Springs
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:29 pm
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Springs

Hi Jens

- Jens_O_Mehner

I dunno,

shouldn't the bumper number read more like IIFFV 2F32 on the left (looking at the vehicle) and battery letter-vehicle number (e.g.B-23) on the right? Seems like all photographical evidence of other M107s and M110s in Viet Nam points toward that pattern, including some shots on the landscaper website linked to by Roy.

"A" for Artillery is rather unusual, I've seen "F" and "FA" for Field Artillery, "FAD" for FA Detachment, "AD", "ADA", and "AAA" for Anti-Aircraft resp. Air Defense Artillery, but "A" alone is IIRC unknown... Writing this, I'm aware that photographical evidence is right around the corner and the photo is probably somewhere in my archives as well. Wink

Cheers,

Jens O.


This is what I think I am reading on that M107

Left: 23GP 33F = 23rd Group, 33rd Field Artillery Battalion
Right: 2A 32 = 2nd Artillery Battalion, A Battery, 32nd vehicle.

Remember, not ever unit followed/follows the same pattern for marking their vehicles. Your pattern is one of the ways it was done.
IIFFV 2F32 on the left & battery letter-vehicle number (e.g.B-23) on the right.

In the case of 23GP rather than IIFFV, IIFFV would have been common before the Army started letting units smaller that Divisions have their own patches. 23GP as part of the bumper markings would have been used after that change took place.

My 2 cents on "LATE" Vietnam era bumper markings.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:03 pm
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Springs

Heres something I found.

The photo is low resolution but some of the digits in the Bumper # are readable.



Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:18 pm
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Spring

Hi Doug! Hi Folks!

- Doug_Kibbey
On this page, there is a page of "Proud American" at "Camp Eagle", 1965, but as it's next to a shot from Ft. Sill and it doesn't look right for Vietnam to me (the trees are all wrong, naked from autumn) and I don't think the VN version of Camp Eagle (the 101st Div. Base Camp that I operated from) even existed yet west of Phu Bai (Camp Hochmuth) I think that's like the Ft. Sill photo.

www.landscaper.net/the...n%20(M107)


I have to agree with you Doug. Those trees just don't look right. When did we start the de-folent spraying? That might account for the naked trees.

They have me confuzed.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:24 pm
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Springs

Hi Don! Hi Folks!

- Dontos

The photo is low resolution but some of the digits in the Bumper # are readable.


Don


That left side could be 32GP2FF which would be: 32 Group (Arty) 2nd Field Forces.

Can anyone make out the markings on the right side? Looks like a set of four letters and numbers possibly?

Note about that possble FF marking. Some units used FFV and some used just the FF.

Sgt, Scouts out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Hellfish6
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
Posts: 151
Location: Orlando
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:55 pm
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Springs

Thanks for the T162 info, Neil!
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:11 pm
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Spring

- Roy_A_Lingle

I have to agree with you Doug. Those trees just don't look right. When did we start the de-folent spraying? That might account for the naked trees.

They have me confuzed.
Sgt, Scouts Out!


Roy,

And, more to the point, I don't think Camp Eagle actually existed in 1965, it was still primarily a Marine TAOR, not the 101st yet, and was little villages of Thon Duong and Xuon Ha. What became Camp Eagle was not really classical "firebase" territory...not particularly high ground and I never saw any really big guns there. The nearest firebase was, in fact, FSB Birmingham, which had the M107's during the late '60's-Jan. '72.

D.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:58 am
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Springs

Ask and you shall receive. More T162 pics from Dustin Roderigas:







Hmmm... Not the last SPH to be terminated in part due to changing air-transportability requirements....











Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Hellfish6
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
Posts: 151
Location: Orlando
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:02 am
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Springs

Outstanding. Much appreciated.
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:35 am
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Springs

Yet more...

















Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:32 pm
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Spring

bumper markings for M107 2/32 1967



Proud American 1966

Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:44 pm
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Spring

- SHAWN
bumper markings for M107 2/32 1967

Proud American 1966



Thanks, Shawn...

That settles that! Same gun as Ft. Sill, different than mine...and WAY different neighborhood! (Xuan Loc is FAR from "I" Corps) Totally different dealy-bob with no connection whatsoever!

D.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:19 pm
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Spring

- SHAWN
bumper markings for M107 2/32 1967





Well,

live and learn Shocked , those bumper markings are authentic after all- duly noted and committed to memory, thanks Shawn.

Cheers,

Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:22 pm
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Spring

- Neil_Baumgardner
Ask and you shall receive. More T162 pics from Dustin Roderigas:




Neil


With Hunnicutt and Crismon still tucked away in the last couple of boxes I have to unpack, is that the same basic vehicle as the M53/55 or have there been major changes?

TIA,

Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:23 pm
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Springs

- Dontos

Here is a little info for you....

The 175s were all assigned to Field Force (IFFV, IIFFV) level as general support artillery. IFFV had no operational-level artillery headquarters (no FDC) at that time, so their battalions were attached directly to the divisions. At the time I was there, 1st Cav Divarty had a composite 8-in/175mm battalion which had weapons such as that shown, but I don’t recognize either the unit markings (2/32 FA) or the label “Proud American� (assuming those are all original) on that particular track. 23d Gp is also unknown to me, unless that’s a Ft. Sill unit. The 8-in/175 battalion was a very useful unit because of the inherent accuracy and striking power of the 8-in weapons and because of the reach of the 175s. When firing high angle, we had to issue a NOTAM (notice to airmen) in effect establishing a no-fly zone over the 175s. The shell went up more than 10,000 feet.

During operations in Binh Dinh Province in 1967, we had an LZ Hammond which had a couple of 175s. The NVA assaulted the wire one night when the 175s were firing H&I fires. When firing high angle, the tube had to be lowered to re-load. That’s when the NVA came over the wire in front of these two tubes. The guns fired out at zero elevation and charge 3 (the max charge, which happened to be in the tube at the time). The attack was halted in its tracks. The next morning, over 50 shattered bodies were found in the wire. All appeared to have been killed by shock and concussion. The equilibrators of the recoil mechanism were completely shattered and hydraulic oil was everywhere. The “175mm anti-personnel device� earned its spurs that night. From then on, if there was a threat to an LZ, all one had to do was send out a 175 gun, operational or not, and park it in the LZ. The threat always went away immediately; the NVA didn’t want to have anything to do with them.

Sorry I can’t give you more specific information.


Just a little background info on the 175mm in Vietnam...
Don


Doug, Roy, & Shawn...

Here is more information / reflections after seeing the 'Proud American' website from my 'source'. Cool

"That’s very interesting. That explains why I had not heard of the units. The III Corps Zone, which included the capital military district (Saigon), was much more compact than any of the others. The combat units in that zone tended to mass for their various operations, and there was an active role for IIFFV as an operational corps-level headquarters.

In the 1st Cav’s AO, we had an ARVN division and later a Korean division to operate with, but no US divisions. Neither the ARVN nor the Korean division had much in the way of artillery — nothing bigger than a heavy mortar, as I remember. IFFV was way down the coast at Qui Nhon, out of radio range, and completely out of the area of tactical operations.

At one time, I was sent out to an isolated hilltop in Bong Son province with two men and a jeep to create a “jump� FDC for a couple of months. We built a couple of bamboo lean-tos, one as an FDC and one as our “hootch� for everything else. That was a very lonely period, as the entire 18th NVA Regiment was roaming those woods and we had no on-site ground security. We shot illumination from there the night the 22d ARVN division stumbled onto the massed 18th NVA regiment. I still have photos of a stack of weapons, 8’ to 10’ high and some 20’ across which were taken as a result of virtually wiping out that entire regiment in two nights and one day of fighting. I was very glad to see dawn on that third morning. We were recalled from the hilltop and went to the brand-new Phu Cat air base about 20 miles away to have our first warm shower in almost two months. The contrast from our hilltop position to the sparkling new officers mess at Phu Cat was really a memorable occasion.
"


Regards
Don

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:10 pm
Post subject: Re: New Pictures from Fort Sill + M39 AUV in Colorado Springs

- Dontos
[ The III Corps Zone, which included the capital military district (Saigon), Regards
Don


Note: aka, the SSZ, or "Saigon Special Zone", occasionally seen in documents as the "Capital (Saigon) Special Zone".

...just for those who might be looking it up on maps or trying to distinguish it from those STZ's ("Special Tactical Zones").
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum