±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 484
Total: 484
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Gallery
02: News
03: Downloads
04: Photo Gallery
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: News Archive
08: Community Forums
09: Photo Gallery
10: Community Forums
11: Home
12: Photo Gallery
13: Home
14: Community Forums
15: CPGlang
16: Photo Gallery
17: Home
18: Community Forums
19: Photo Gallery
20: Home
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Photo Gallery
24: Community Forums
25: Photo Gallery
26: Community Forums
27: Home
28: Your Account
29: Photo Gallery
30: Photo Gallery
31: Community Forums
32: Home
33: Photo Gallery
34: Photo Gallery
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Search
40: Community Forums
41: Photo Gallery
42: Photo Gallery
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Member Screenshots
49: Community Forums
50: Photo Gallery
51: Photo Gallery
52: Photo Gallery
53: Community Forums
54: Photo Gallery
55: Photo Gallery
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Photo Gallery
60: Photo Gallery
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Photo Gallery
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Photo Gallery
69: Member Screenshots
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Photo Gallery
73: Community Forums
74: Photo Gallery
75: Community Forums
76: Photo Gallery
77: Photo Gallery
78: Downloads
79: Photo Gallery
80: Photo Gallery
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: CPGlang
85: Your Account
86: Downloads
87: Community Forums
88: Photo Gallery
89: Community Forums
90: Photo Gallery
91: Photo Gallery
92: Community Forums
93: Downloads
94: Community Forums
95: Photo Gallery
96: Community Forums
97: Downloads
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Photo Gallery
102: Photo Gallery
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Photo Gallery
108: Photo Gallery
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: CPGlang
114: Photo Gallery
115: Downloads
116: Downloads
117: CPGlang
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Downloads
124: Community Forums
125: Photo Gallery
126: Photo Gallery
127: Community Forums
128: Member Screenshots
129: Community Forums
130: Photo Gallery
131: Community Forums
132: Photo Gallery
133: Photo Gallery
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Home
137: Photo Gallery
138: CPGlang
139: Photo Gallery
140: Photo Gallery
141: Home
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Member Screenshots
146: Community Forums
147: Downloads
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: CPGlang
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Photo Gallery
158: Photo Gallery
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Photo Gallery
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Photo Gallery
166: Community Forums
167: Home
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Home
171: Community Forums
172: Photo Gallery
173: Member Screenshots
174: Photo Gallery
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Photo Gallery
178: Your Account
179: Community Forums
180: Downloads
181: Home
182: Photo Gallery
183: Photo Gallery
184: Community Forums
185: Downloads
186: Home
187: CPGlang
188: Community Forums
189: Photo Gallery
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Member Screenshots
193: Community Forums
194: Photo Gallery
195: Community Forums
196: Photo Gallery
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Photo Gallery
201: Photo Gallery
202: Community Forums
203: CPGlang
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Photo Gallery
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: CPGlang
214: Community Forums
215: Photo Gallery
216: Downloads
217: Photo Gallery
218: Community Forums
219: Photo Gallery
220: Community Forums
221: CPGlang
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Photo Gallery
226: Home
227: Your Account
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Home
231: Community Forums
232: Photo Gallery
233: Downloads
234: Photo Gallery
235: Photo Gallery
236: Community Forums
237: Downloads
238: Photo Gallery
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Photo Gallery
243: Downloads
244: CPGlang
245: Photo Gallery
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Photo Gallery
249: Photo Gallery
250: Photo Gallery
251: Photo Gallery
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Downloads
261: Your Account
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Photo Gallery
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Downloads
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: CPGlang
273: Community Forums
274: CPGlang
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Downloads
279: Community Forums
280: Home
281: Photo Gallery
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Photo Gallery
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Photo Gallery
288: Home
289: Your Account
290: Community Forums
291: Photo Gallery
292: Community Forums
293: CPGlang
294: Photo Gallery
295: Downloads
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Home
300: Photo Gallery
301: CPGlang
302: Member Screenshots
303: CPGlang
304: Community Forums
305: Photo Gallery
306: Community Forums
307: Photo Gallery
308: Community Forums
309: Photo Gallery
310: Community Forums
311: CPGlang
312: Photo Gallery
313: Community Forums
314: Photo Gallery
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Photo Gallery
318: Photo Gallery
319: Photo Gallery
320: Photo Gallery
321: Photo Gallery
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Photo Gallery
329: CPGlang
330: Photo Gallery
331: Photo Gallery
332: Community Forums
333: CPGlang
334: Photo Gallery
335: Home
336: Home
337: Community Forums
338: Photo Gallery
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Photo Gallery
343: Home
344: Your Account
345: Home
346: Home
347: Home
348: Community Forums
349: Home
350: Photo Gallery
351: Photo Gallery
352: Photo Gallery
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Photo Gallery
358: Home
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Home
365: Photo Gallery
366: Photo Gallery
367: Photo Gallery
368: Photo Gallery
369: Photo Gallery
370: Your Account
371: Community Forums
372: Photo Gallery
373: Community Forums
374: Photo Gallery
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Home
379: Community Forums
380: Photo Gallery
381: Home
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: CPGlang
385: Home
386: CPGlang
387: Community Forums
388: Photo Gallery
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Home
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Photo Gallery
395: Home
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Photo Gallery
401: Community Forums
402: Photo Gallery
403: Community Forums
404: Home
405: Photo Gallery
406: Photo Gallery
407: Community Forums
408: Photo Gallery
409: Home
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: News Archive
417: Home
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: Photo Gallery
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Downloads
425: Community Forums
426: Photo Gallery
427: Photo Gallery
428: Downloads
429: CPGlang
430: Photo Gallery
431: Photo Gallery
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Member Screenshots
435: Photo Gallery
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: CPGlang
439: Community Forums
440: CPGlang
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Downloads
445: CPGlang
446: Community Forums
447: Photo Gallery
448: Your Account
449: Photo Gallery
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Home
455: Community Forums
456: Member Screenshots
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Photo Gallery
465: Community Forums
466: Photo Gallery
467: Home
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Photo Gallery
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Your Account
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Photo Gallery
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Australian Leopards say goodbye
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
MARKMILES77
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 10, 2006
Posts: 25

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:21 am
Post subject: Australian Leopards say goodbye

Army Newspaper

Top Stories
Leopard’s last blast
By Lt Joseph Ternowetsky

Edition 1163, April 05, 2007

WITH a thunderous volley of 105mm main armament rounds, the Leopard tank has marked the end of a long and proud military career.

Exercise Southern Reach, held in Cultana from February to May, is the Leopard’s last show of duty after having served the Australian Army for 30 years.

The Leopard was brought into service on November 4, 1977, to replace the British Centurion. At the time the Army purchased 103 Leopards after choosing it over the American M60 tank.

Included in this total were five AVLB bridge layers and eight AVRM recovery vehicles.

CO 1 Armd Regt Lt-Col Duncan Hayward said the tanks – which are being replaced by the Abrams – had served the country well.

Although the tanks had never been deployed overseas, they offered fundamental firepower and support to the Australian military as a whole, he said.

“It has provided heavy hitting power to the Australian Army,� he said. “Lacking a viable tank would undermine a combined arms team.�

As a way of honouring the tanks, 1 Armd Regt Leopards formed up and fired in unison during a range practice in Cultana on March 14.

But this will be it for the 18 Leopards that took part in the exercise. The tanks officially end their service in three months when a final parade will be held to commemorate the changeover.

“We will run a parade on July 7 where the first operational Abrams squadron will replace the last operational Leopard squadron,� Lt-Col Hayward said.

From there, the majority of tanks will be sent to Bandiana, Victoria where they will be disposed of under a DMO plan.

“A small number of tanks have been earmarked for military museums. Two will remain in Darwin as a monument,� Lt-Col Hayward said.

The transition marks an exciting time for the Army, according to Col Damian Cantwell, who was CO 1 Armd Regt from 2003-04 and is now Director General Future Land Warfare. He said the Leopard tank had more than proved itself.

“It remains the best tank of its age, it’s just the technologies of protection and firepower have moved forward around it,� Col Cantwell said.

He paid tribute to the “energetic professionalism� of tank crews, RAEME tradesmen and support staff in maintaining and sustaining the Leopard fleet throughout its life.

“They often worked in very trying conditions in the demanding Top End climate, without the benefit of unit operational deployments. Without them the tank and our combined arms capability would have suffered a slow demise years ago,� Col Cantwell said.

During the Leopard’s time in service, 1 Armd Regt conducted training in places such as Mt Bundy, High Range Training Area, Shoalwater Bay, Cultana, Woomera and Puckapunyal.

After a decision to centralise 1 Bde in the Darwin region, 1 Armd Regt and the Leopard tanks made the move in 1995.

Col Cantwell said the tank did receive some minor upgrades such as improvements to firewall insulation, an electronic digital gunner’s aide and mobile camouflage systems.

Full coverage of Exercise Southern Reach will appear in the next edition of Army.

TANK FACTS

Armament: 105mm L7A3; Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot (APDS) travelling at 1478m/s with a range of 2500m; High Explosive Squash Head (HESH) travelling at 732m/s with a range of 400m direct, 8000m semi-indirect; Canister with a range of 400m; 2 Machine Gun 7.62mm MG3 Coax and AA.

Crew: Crew commander, loader/operator, gunner, driver.

Dimensions: Length – 9.54m gun front; Width – 3.37m; Height – 2.62m; Weight – 42,400kg combat weight.

Engine: MTU MB 838 Cam-500 37.4L four-stroke, multifuel, twin mechanical supercharged engine; 610 kW at 2200rpm and 2860nm at 1500rpm; Fuel consumption – 165L/100km

Performance: Max Speed – 70km/h forward, 24km/h in reverse; 60% climb, 30% sideslope; Vertical step – 1.15m; Trench – 3m; Fording – 1.2m or 2.25m with minimal preparation, 4m with a tower.





. Sad
Back to top
View user's profile
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:08 am
Post subject: Re: Australian Leopards say goodbye

Wow, I never realized the Aussies only had 103 Leos. That's less than a US tank heavy brigade (58 per battalion or 116 total) during the Cold War era.

I remember firing the last M60A3TTS gunnery in Germany in 1989. I also remember some high ranking people come and ask us to fire these neat looking sabot rounds with brass casing. We placed tarps inside the turret so when the casing was ejected, it would not get banged up.

I guess they wanted them to polish up and save or use as awards.

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Australian Leopards say goodbye

You gotta realize the Australian army active force is little bigger than 1 division.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:40 am
Post subject: Re: Australian Leopards say goodbye

- Neil_Baumgardner
You gotta realize the Australian army active force is little bigger than 1 division.

Neil


Ditto for the Canadian Forces
Back to top
View user's profile
Larso
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 09, 2007
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Australian Leopards say goodbye

I was on exercise only once with the Leopards. As things happened I got only a brief look at them but one thing stuck in my mind. A few went past and one looked just like a Jagdpanther but without the gun. I've had a look at the variants on the web but none seem to look like the one I remember seeing. Did Australia have a command or support version that could be the vehicle I saw?

Thanks
John

_________________
Formerly of 2/14th Light Horse
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:17 am
Post subject: Re: Australian Leopards say goodbye

I'd have to guess a Bergepanzer armored recovery vehicle variant.



Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Larso
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 09, 2007
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:19 am
Post subject: Re: Australian Leopards say goodbye

Thanks Neil, that was probably it, though the one I saw didn't have it's crane attached which accentuated the crew compartment in a Jagdpanther type way.

I recall someone saying at the time, it was an anti-tank missile version but they may have had no real idea themselves. I do remember seeing a couple of tank destroyer type vehicles in various books but I think they were mostly from the 1950s/60s. Kanone rings a bell. Anyway thanks for that.

John

_________________
Formerly of 2/14th Light Horse
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:39 am
Post subject: Re: Australian Leopards say goodbye

There was the Jagdpanzer Kanone that was built in the late 50s to equipe the New German Army. It may be considered a predecessor to the leopard but I don't believe it was part of the leopard family. There is one at Aberdeen (This is where I ask Neil if he has a picture Wink ) I always thought it looked more like an updated JgPz IV than a Jagdpanther .

Looking back at your message it would depend on where you saw it as to whether the Jagdpanzer Kanone would be a possibility. I don't think they were used outside Germany so if you saw it down under it wouldn't be a possibility.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
A2_Prius
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 27, 2006
Posts: 112

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Australian Leopards say goodbye

The Jagdpanzer Kanone was armed with a 90mm gun mounted in a mantlet. The vehicle's over all appearance recalled that of the Sturmgeschutz.
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:23 am
Post subject: Re: Australian Leopards say goodbye

Hi Folks!

- A2_Prius

The Jagdpanzer Kanone was armed with a 90mm gun mounted in a mantlet. The vehicle's over all appearance recalled that of the Sturmgeschutz.


The Kanone version was followed by a ATGM version. Maybe that is what John saw (if you were in Germany).

Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:29 am
Post subject: Re: Australian Leopards say goodbye

I think the ATGM version was based on a different chassis. If I recall correctly the Jagdpanzer Rackete ( I think that was spelling) was based on the Marder APC/IFV chassis. I always figured the gun vehicle needed a larger, heavier chassis to handle the recoil

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:00 am
Post subject: Re: Australian Leopards say goodbye

Hi Bob! Hi Folks!

- bsmart
I think the ATGM version was based on a different chassis. If I recall correctly the Jagdpanzer Rackete ( I think that was spelling) was based on the Marder APC/IFV chassis.


The 90mm cannon, the SS11 ATGM, followed by the HOT and TOW ATGM vehicles are all based on the HS.30 APC. A much older and a bit smaller vehicle than the Marder. All are 10 to 30 ton vehicles while the Marder is 40 plus tons. Check out the follow site.

www.panzerbaer.de/type...z_90-b.htm

I think the Marder chassis has only been used with one other system and that was the Roland SAM system.

Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Australian Leopards say goodbye

Roy,
Don't forget the TAM,

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Australian Leopards say goodbye

- Roy_A_Lingle

The 90mm cannon, the SS11 ATGM, followed by the HOT and TOW ATGM vehicles are all based on the HS.30 APC.


Roy you may like to go read that page again... Otherwise I may have to take the piss out of that statement for months to come Wink

Those with access may like to peruse the undermentioned

www.jedsite.info/fullt...eries.html

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Australian Leopards say goodbye

Hi Jim! Hi Folks!

- JimWeb
- Roy_A_Lingle

The 90mm cannon, the SS11 ATGM, followed by the HOT and TOW ATGM vehicles are all based on the HS.30 APC.


Roy you may like to go read that page again...


Well, let me start by saying, I don't read German. But I though that site was showing the linkage as I remembered off the top of my head.
Digging out my old Jane's books (31 years old), I went back and looked up the SPZ- 12-3 (that's what it was called back then) or HS.30 as Panzer Baer now calls it. The APC version was build from 1958 to 1962.

The Jagdpanzer JPZ-1-3 was the HS.30 chassis mounting a 90mm cannon.
The Jagdpanzer Rakete JPZ 3-3 replaced the 90 mm cannon with a pair of SS-11 ATGM launchers.

The Jagdpanzer JPZ 1-3 with the 90 mm cannon didn't stand up to the recoil of the cannon very well, so a bigger chassis was developed leading to the Jagdpanzer Kanone JPZ 4-5 and later the Jagdpanzer Raketes, again with SS-11 ATGMS. That vehicle was followed by the Jagdpanzer Jaguar 1 SP mounting HOT ATGMs. Then Jaguar 2 mounting the TOW ATGM.

A spin off of the larger chassis development to support the 90 mm cannon lead to the Marder chassis.

So as I under stand my old Jane's, all of them are related.
HS.90 > JPZ 1-3 > JPZ 3-3 > JPZ 4-5 > Raketes > Jaguar 1 > Jaguar 2.
...............................\/ > Marder. (Something I didn't know)

That was what I was trying to say.
My follow up 2 cents.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum