±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 348
Total: 348
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: News Archive
03: Community Forums
04: Member Screenshots
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: Community Forums
08: Member Screenshots
09: Your Account
10: Member Screenshots
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Photo Gallery
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Home
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Downloads
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Home
27: Home
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: Member Screenshots
31: Photo Gallery
32: Member Screenshots
33: Community Forums
34: Home
35: Photo Gallery
36: Community Forums
37: Member Screenshots
38: Home
39: Treasury
40: Community Forums
41: Your Account
42: Home
43: Downloads
44: Photo Gallery
45: Home
46: Home
47: Member Screenshots
48: News Archive
49: News Archive
50: Home
51: Home
52: Downloads
53: Member Screenshots
54: Home
55: Community Forums
56: Downloads
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Member Screenshots
64: Downloads
65: Photo Gallery
66: Community Forums
67: Photo Gallery
68: Photo Gallery
69: Member Screenshots
70: Community Forums
71: News Archive
72: Member Screenshots
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Photo Gallery
76: Member Screenshots
77: Home
78: Home
79: Home
80: Photo Gallery
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Statistics
84: Your Account
85: Home
86: Home
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Photo Gallery
90: Community Forums
91: Photo Gallery
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Downloads
97: Home
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Your Account
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Photo Gallery
106: Community Forums
107: Member Screenshots
108: Community Forums
109: Member Screenshots
110: Your Account
111: Downloads
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Downloads
116: Home
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Home
120: News Archive
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Photo Gallery
124: Photo Gallery
125: Home
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Member Screenshots
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Home
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Home
136: Community Forums
137: Home
138: Home
139: Home
140: News Archive
141: Community Forums
142: Home
143: Member Screenshots
144: Photo Gallery
145: Photo Gallery
146: Member Screenshots
147: Photo Gallery
148: Photo Gallery
149: Community Forums
150: Member Screenshots
151: Photo Gallery
152: News Archive
153: Community Forums
154: Tell a Friend
155: Member Screenshots
156: Home
157: Photo Gallery
158: Home
159: Photo Gallery
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Home
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Statistics
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Downloads
171: Community Forums
172: Home
173: Home
174: Community Forums
175: Photo Gallery
176: Home
177: Statistics
178: Member Screenshots
179: Community Forums
180: Home
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Home
184: Member Screenshots
185: News Archive
186: Community Forums
187: Home
188: Downloads
189: Member Screenshots
190: Home
191: Photo Gallery
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Downloads
195: Home
196: Photo Gallery
197: Photo Gallery
198: Downloads
199: Member Screenshots
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Home
203: News Archive
204: Home
205: Member Screenshots
206: Community Forums
207: Home
208: Home
209: Statistics
210: Photo Gallery
211: Member Screenshots
212: Home
213: Photo Gallery
214: Photo Gallery
215: Your Account
216: LinkToUs
217: Home
218: Home
219: Photo Gallery
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Photo Gallery
223: Downloads
224: Community Forums
225: Home
226: Community Forums
227: Photo Gallery
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Downloads
231: Photo Gallery
232: Photo Gallery
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Photo Gallery
236: Photo Gallery
237: Home
238: Downloads
239: Downloads
240: Home
241: Community Forums
242: Photo Gallery
243: Member Screenshots
244: News Archive
245: Community Forums
246: Home
247: Home
248: Member Screenshots
249: Home
250: Community Forums
251: Home
252: Downloads
253: Photo Gallery
254: Home
255: Photo Gallery
256: Community Forums
257: Member Screenshots
258: Home
259: Community Forums
260: Photo Gallery
261: Community Forums
262: Downloads
263: Community Forums
264: News Archive
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Home
268: Community Forums
269: Downloads
270: Home
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Statistics
274: Photo Gallery
275: Photo Gallery
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Home
279: Photo Gallery
280: Community Forums
281: Photo Gallery
282: Home
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Your Account
287: Home
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Member Screenshots
291: Photo Gallery
292: Photo Gallery
293: Downloads
294: Downloads
295: Downloads
296: Member Screenshots
297: Your Account
298: News Archive
299: Photo Gallery
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Downloads
303: Member Screenshots
304: Home
305: Home
306: News Archive
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: News Archive
310: Member Screenshots
311: Home
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Home
316: Statistics
317: Photo Gallery
318: Home
319: Member Screenshots
320: Downloads
321: Photo Gallery
322: Home
323: Downloads
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Photo Gallery
327: Home
328: Member Screenshots
329: Member Screenshots
330: Home
331: Home
332: Member Screenshots
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Downloads
336: Member Screenshots
337: Community Forums
338: Home
339: Member Screenshots
340: Home
341: Downloads
342: Home
343: Home
344: Member Screenshots
345: Community Forums
346: Home
347: Photo Gallery
348: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
OPFOR tank at Ft Hood in 1959...
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:21 pm
Post subject: Re: OPFOR tank at Ft Hood in 1959...

Oh right, I totally missed the fact that the pic is from 1959 - I thought it was WWII for some reason. Helps to read!

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:37 am
Post subject: Re: OPFOR tank at Ft Hood in 1959...

Hi Jeff! Hi Folks!

- SFC_Jeff_Button

Do you suppose that is a jeep or scout car under the mock-up?


I think the 1959 date is way to late for any scout car type vehicles. I have to agree with Jim because my guess is a M38A1 4x4 jeep based on the sizes of the tires, look of the front axle and the front bumper.

I am sure everyone knows that US Army Field Manuals (FM) are military 'How to' books. However back in the mid 1950s, or so, though the late 1960s the Army had two FMs that were 100% works of fiction.

My 2 cents,
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:17 am
Post subject: Re: OPFOR tank at Ft Hood in 1959...

- Roy_A_Lingle
Hi Jeff! Hi Folks!

... , though the late 1960s the Army had two FMs that were 100% works of fiction.

My 2 cents,
Sgt, Scouts Out!


Which ones?

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:57 am
Post subject: Re: OPFOR tank at Ft Hood in 1959...

Hi Bob! Hi Folks!

- bsmart
- Roy_A_Lingle
Hi Jeff! Hi Folks!

... , though the late 1960s the Army had two FMs that were 100% works of fiction.

My 2 cents,
Sgt, Scouts Out!


Which ones?


It was a set of FMs that layed out the TOE for the OpFor and operationly history of campaigns all acrossed the U.S. For example if a unit was going to be in an FTX at Ft. Hood, you could look up the TOE for the OpFor and the unit history for that area. While the TOE book was not that exciting, the one on campaign history was very interesting (to me anyway).

Each base a set of those things for the helmets and uniforms with rank to issue to units playing the part of the OpFor. If I remember right, the enemy of that time was called the 'Circle Tri-Gone' forces or something like that. I remember my Dad coming home a number of time wearing the Circle Tri-Gone uniform.

By the time I was in the Army, the helmet mod and the uniforms where gone, but the Circle Tri-Gone symbol was still used to mark OpFor vehicles.
Of course, all of this is pre-NTC.

Some of my very old history!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:37 am
Post subject: Re: OPFOR tank at Ft Hood in 1959...

Any idea what the numbers for the campaign history was? That was probably the same series that encouraged the use of Esparanto as the language for Aggressor forces

- I think I just answered my own question. Following the another thread I looked at the FM Library for the 1945-1960 era at the 'Army Heritage Online' site. The FM 30 series covers aggresor operations. I haven't found the campaign history (or scenario) volume yet but the TOE and Esperanto Language volumes are there.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])


Last edited by bsmart on Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:55 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:52 am
Post subject: Re: OPFOR tank at Ft Hood in 1959...

Hi Bob! Hi Folks!

- bsmart

Any idea what the numbers for the campaign history was? That was probably the same series that encouraged the use of Esparanto as the language for Aggressor forces


I just remember there was two FMs. It's been to long sense I last saw a set, have no idea what the numbers were.

Sorry Bob.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:04 am
Post subject: Re: OPFOR tank at Ft Hood in 1959...

While you were writing that I was stumbling around the Army Heritage site. BOOKMARK IT! It looks like the FMs and TMs are just the beginning you can browse by era so you can get different versions of the same manuals.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:36 pm
Post subject: Re: OPFOR tank at Ft Hood in 1959...

I'm thinking the bumper number is 1st Armored Division, 81st Reconaissance Squadron.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
palic
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 03, 2006
Posts: 172

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:22 am
Post subject: Re: OPFOR tank at Ft Hood in 1959...

This story is for OPFOR guys who, I believe, will enjoy it:
It happened long, long time ago when I was relatively „fresh-from-the-school“ Lieutenant just about to complete the first year of service with recce (armoured cavalry) battalion of former CSLA…. There was a one-to-one scale LANCE BALLISTIC MISSILE (towed) mock-up „stored“ (means left without any attention of our Battalion Armament and Transport Adjutant) in the rear corner of BN motorpool. This trailer was fully equipped with indicators and brake system and „the missile“ could be semi-erected to the launching status. It was left really without any attention except of so called season maintenance, there were no unit markings on the trailer. Bumper code had to be added, if necessary, made of white adhesive tape.
One day I decided to use this „LANCE“ during the field exercise to make it more „realistic“. I have to add we had conscript system in our armed forces and 85-90% of our guys were conscripts.
Certainly I did not ask anybody of my supremes for permission to „rent“ that MISSILE with trailer for use outside of either motorpool or barracks fences. I simply ordered section corporal to take a lorry with driver, hook that beast and to move that to the area where exercise was planned… What I expected them to do will be explained later…
He repeated my order without any sign of misunderstanding and diappeared… The rest of my coy with their tracked vehicles were „in the area“ split into platoons under command of their sergeants in the different areas and ready to ambush and destroy enemy „Nuke“ moving on the road….
So I made some phone calls, had a brief talk to BN chief of staff and a.s.a.p. hurried to take my transport and to go to the spot just to give next orders, start exercise and observe action of patrols ambushing OPFOR vehicle… I left the barracks through BACK GATE and entered garrison training area. But that is not the story as you can guess.
Meanwhile corporal and lorry driver hooked the trailer with missile, immediately filled the transportation order and went to the MAIN GATE of barracks. They were stopped by guard (conscript again, belonging to our infantry neighbours) and told to cover the missile by tarp just not to show the load to anybody during the transport, so they did immediately. Then they were released and left the barracks.Unfortunately no officer was around to pay attention to the lorry with trailer leaving the gate…
So story continues – they left the gate, turned right and were speeding 3 km downhill on public road to town suburbs. I say they were speeding so that was the reason tarp not very well fixed on the trailer ended in a ditch and the MISSILE was TOTALLY UNCOVERED… They drove through town without any accident and continued to the training area – FYI they were on the road to the neares BXP (CSR-West Germany border)…
During their rush on public roads they attracted interest of some western turists driving their cars inlands (we were garrisoned approx. 20-30 km from the state border) and some of these turists turned their cars back to the border and finally they were stopped by Police patrol…
Briefly said in a couple of minutes lots and lots pictures were taken by passing by turists ( I am slightly afraid our CI chaps were extremely busy taking all the films out of their cameras), OC battalion was informed and lorry towing missile trailer was (after throughout check) returned back to the barracks…in a convoy under flashlights.
Can you imagine the speech of OC he held to me? I was getting smaller and smaller and… It was pretty impossible to explain that the aim was good and we did not want to cause any international incident … Mr. Green
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum