±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 363
Total: 363
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Member Screenshots
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Member Screenshots
05: Photo Gallery
06: Community Forums
07: Member Screenshots
08: Community Forums
09: Your Account
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Photo Gallery
14: Member Screenshots
15: CPGlang
16: Photo Gallery
17: Member Screenshots
18: Home
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Home
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Photo Gallery
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Photo Gallery
29: Community Forums
30: Downloads
31: Home
32: Photo Gallery
33: Community Forums
34: Member Screenshots
35: Photo Gallery
36: Photo Gallery
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Downloads
40: Home
41: Member Screenshots
42: Community Forums
43: Downloads
44: Community Forums
45: Photo Gallery
46: Member Screenshots
47: Community Forums
48: Your Account
49: CPGlang
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Photo Gallery
53: Community Forums
54: Member Screenshots
55: Member Screenshots
56: Photo Gallery
57: News Archive
58: Your Account
59: Home
60: Home
61: Photo Gallery
62: Member Screenshots
63: Downloads
64: Community Forums
65: Member Screenshots
66: Home
67: Community Forums
68: Home
69: CPGlang
70: Photo Gallery
71: Community Forums
72: CPGlang
73: Community Forums
74: Photo Gallery
75: Member Screenshots
76: Home
77: Community Forums
78: Photo Gallery
79: Photo Gallery
80: Community Forums
81: Home
82: Member Screenshots
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Member Screenshots
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Home
89: Statistics
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Community Forums
94: Photo Gallery
95: Community Forums
96: CPGlang
97: Photo Gallery
98: Community Forums
99: Member Screenshots
100: Photo Gallery
101: Photo Gallery
102: Home
103: Home
104: Community Forums
105: Member Screenshots
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Photo Gallery
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Member Screenshots
112: Home
113: Community Forums
114: CPGlang
115: Photo Gallery
116: Photo Gallery
117: Home
118: Photo Gallery
119: Photo Gallery
120: Community Forums
121: Home
122: Downloads
123: Community Forums
124: Photo Gallery
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Statistics
129: Home
130: Community Forums
131: Downloads
132: Member Screenshots
133: Member Screenshots
134: Community Forums
135: Home
136: Home
137: Home
138: Community Forums
139: Home
140: Community Forums
141: Home
142: Photo Gallery
143: Photo Gallery
144: Community Forums
145: Photo Gallery
146: Photo Gallery
147: Member Screenshots
148: Community Forums
149: Member Screenshots
150: Downloads
151: Photo Gallery
152: Downloads
153: Home
154: News Archive
155: Contact
156: Contact
157: Member Screenshots
158: Home
159: Member Screenshots
160: Your Account
161: Photo Gallery
162: Home
163: Member Screenshots
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Home
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Downloads
171: Photo Gallery
172: Photo Gallery
173: Community Forums
174: Your Account
175: Home
176: Home
177: Photo Gallery
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Member Screenshots
181: Photo Gallery
182: Community Forums
183: Member Screenshots
184: Photo Gallery
185: Community Forums
186: Photo Gallery
187: Statistics
188: Home
189: Statistics
190: Member Screenshots
191: Community Forums
192: Home
193: Home
194: Downloads
195: Community Forums
196: Member Screenshots
197: Member Screenshots
198: Member Screenshots
199: Member Screenshots
200: Home
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: CPGlang
204: Community Forums
205: Member Screenshots
206: Community Forums
207: Photo Gallery
208: Member Screenshots
209: Community Forums
210: Contact
211: Member Screenshots
212: Home
213: Community Forums
214: Home
215: Home
216: Home
217: Community Forums
218: Home
219: Home
220: Home
221: Home
222: Community Forums
223: Photo Gallery
224: Home
225: Home
226: Community Forums
227: Member Screenshots
228: Member Screenshots
229: Community Forums
230: Member Screenshots
231: Member Screenshots
232: Community Forums
233: Downloads
234: Photo Gallery
235: Home
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Member Screenshots
243: Community Forums
244: Member Screenshots
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: News Archive
251: Downloads
252: Downloads
253: CPGlang
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Downloads
258: Home
259: Home
260: Photo Gallery
261: Downloads
262: Member Screenshots
263: Photo Gallery
264: Community Forums
265: Home
266: Member Screenshots
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Member Screenshots
271: Member Screenshots
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Member Screenshots
275: Member Screenshots
276: Community Forums
277: Photo Gallery
278: Community Forums
279: Member Screenshots
280: Community Forums
281: Home
282: Home
283: Home
284: Downloads
285: Home
286: Photo Gallery
287: Photo Gallery
288: Photo Gallery
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Home
293: Member Screenshots
294: Photo Gallery
295: Home
296: Photo Gallery
297: Home
298: Photo Gallery
299: Photo Gallery
300: Community Forums
301: Home
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Photo Gallery
305: Community Forums
306: Downloads
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Home
310: Member Screenshots
311: Home
312: Photo Gallery
313: Member Screenshots
314: Community Forums
315: Member Screenshots
316: Community Forums
317: Photo Gallery
318: Photo Gallery
319: Community Forums
320: Member Screenshots
321: CPGlang
322: Member Screenshots
323: Community Forums
324: Home
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Photo Gallery
329: Home
330: Downloads
331: Community Forums
332: Member Screenshots
333: Community Forums
334: Home
335: Photo Gallery
336: Member Screenshots
337: Home
338: News
339: Home
340: Photo Gallery
341: Photo Gallery
342: Photo Gallery
343: Home
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Member Screenshots
348: Home
349: Downloads
350: Photo Gallery
351: Home
352: Photo Gallery
353: Member Screenshots
354: Member Screenshots
355: Member Screenshots
356: Member Screenshots
357: Community Forums
358: Photo Gallery
359: Community Forums
360: Photo Gallery
361: Home
362: News Archive
363: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:51 pm
Post subject: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79


Members of the 11th Armored Cavalry deploy around an M551 Sheridan light tank while guarding the border between East and West Germany. An observation tower is in the background. (Released to Public)
Large Version: www.dodmedia.osd.mil/A...06118.JPEG

Members of the 11th Armored Cavalry deploy from an M113A1 armored personnel carrier during an exercise at the border between East and West Germany. On the right is an M551 Sheridan light tank and in the background is an observation post. (Released to Public)
Large Version: www.dodmedia.osd.mil/A...06119.JPEG

Members of the 11th Armored Cavalry deploy around an M551 Sheridan light tank while guarding the border between East and West Germany. (Released to Public)
Large Version: www.dodmedia.osd.mil/A...06120.JPEG

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:16 pm
Post subject: Re: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79

OK,

now that we've seen the hams, bring on the lima beans... Mr. Green

Gawd, that's the most unnatural posing I've seen in a looooong time, the vehicles actually look more animated and natural. Laughing

Thanks for sharing those, I only had them in low-res before.

Back to top
View user's profile
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:33 pm
Post subject: Re: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79

A closer look reveals this is G Troop so maybe not OP Alpha? The 'infantry' climbing out of the carrier are climbing out of a mortar track. I'm afraid of the guy with the .45 Wink

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:51 pm
Post subject: Re: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79

Looking at the picture where the guy with the 45 is leaving the track I was reminded of 'Green Army Men (GAM)' It almost looks like someone positioned the GAM they pulled out of the package around the vehicles. The only one we're missing is the one crawling on the ground Laughing

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:27 pm
Post subject: Re: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79

- bsmart
Looking at the picture where the guy with the 45 is leaving the track I was reminded of 'Green Army Men (GAM)' It almost looks like someone positioned the GAM they pulled out of the package around the vehicles. The only one we're missing is the one crawling on the ground Laughing


Don't forget the 'Hand Grenade throwing' GAM as well.

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:18 pm
Post subject: Re: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79

forgot about him. Always had trouble getting him to stand up.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Buq-Buq
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 04, 2006
Posts: 86

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:54 am
Post subject: Re: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79

Mark:

These are a very interesting series of photos of Blackhorse troopers & equipment. I've seen the first picture before; R. P. Hunnicutt used it in Sheridan (page 252) and also indicates a photo date of May 1979. For the longest time I thought that I knew one of the guys in the picture from my time in the Blackhorse, but the higher quality of the shot in your link disabused me of that notion.

I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb, and put forth that these pictures were most likely not taken in May of 1979. When I got to the 2/11 ACR, the squadron had already been without Sheridans for a number of months (I remember someone telling me that the Sheridans went with the Cav berets — or was it the other way 'round?). The Sheridans in all the cavalry troops of 11 ACR were replaced by M60A1 RISE/PASSIVE models sometime in mid- to late-1978.

Other interesting features in these photos:

The Sheridan TC sports the old-style CVC helmet — I think someone posted shots from an American Tankers' Helmet museum here a while back, but I can't find it just now, so I'm not sure of the exact nomenclature. By the time I arrived in Bad Kissingen, every CVC I saw was the later type, with the cut-out for the separate ear phones & pads.

The camo scheme is the gaudy 7th Army pattern, pre-MERDC. Lots of Sand used in this scheme; in fact it looks like the entire base coat was Sand, with the other colors painted over that. Notice that the camo scheme is continued on the inside of the troop door on the ramp of the M106A1, as well as onto the roadwheels of the M551. We called this latter feature "clown-wheels", since they looked pretty silly when the vehicle was in motion. I think that there were still some M113A1s in the 7th Army-style scheme when I got to the squadron, but the M60A1s, being new vehicles, were all in MERDC-esque patterns.

The bumper numbers on the M106A1 are still painted in white, and are in the 7th Army format: "7A 11CAV" "G 39". At some point prior to February of 1979, Regiment had changed the bumper numbers to black, and the left-hand set (as viewed) had been changed to "V-2/11CAV" to indicate the troops were corps-level assets of V Corps. It is interesting that the M551 uses the black star; I rarely saw them when I was there.

Finally, I was surprised to see that the Sheridan appears to be a straight M551, not the later M551A1 with the laser rangefinder mounted on the commander's cupola. Although I never saw and 11th ACR Sheridans first-hand, I would have thought that all post-Vietnam Sheridans were equipped with the laser rangefinder. Unfortunately, the great 2nd ACR Sheridan pictures by Russell Vaughn in the Hunnicutt book (pages 253-254) don't show enough of the forward part of the cupola to tell if the LRF is there.

Great pictures — great border pictures. You can see the East German border fences, as well as the minefield. And in the background of the first picture is the concert observation tower ("Beobachtungs-turm aus Beton"). Thanks for sharing these.


Mark Neukom
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:09 am
Post subject: Re: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79

Hi Mark (the Buq-Buq)! Hi Folks!

- Buq-Buq

Finally, I was surprised to see that the Sheridan appears to be a straight M551, not the later M551A1 with the laser rangefinder mounted on the commander's cupola. Although I never saw and 11th ACR Sheridans first-hand, I would have thought that all post-Vietnam Sheridans were equipped with the laser rangefinder.


While the laser rangefinder is post-Vietnam, it was some time after that they became available.
When I was at Schweinfurt (1974-1978), I don't remember seeing them on 3/7th Cav's vehicles. I even did a border camp tour with one of the troops during 1977 (I think) and I am sure them didn't have them then.

I maybe wrong, but it seams like the laser started being mounted on the Sheridan about the same time the fielding of the M60A3 started.

The first time I saw lasers on a Sheridan was when I arrived at Ft. Bliss in mid 1978.

Sgt, Scouts Out!

P.S. Update/correction.
OK, looks like I am just not remember them. But one thing I am sure of is the first time I remember seeing LRFs on Sheridans was when I got to Ft. Bliss. Maybe it is a case of not noticing them prior to that. Sad

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.


Last edited by Roy_A_Lingle on Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:18 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:14 am
Post subject: Re: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79

Good point. By 1976 they would have all had lasers in the 11th Cav. And, as you say, that camo scheme was long gone.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Geoff_walden
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 26, 2006
Posts: 133

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:46 pm
Post subject: Re: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79

That does look like OP Alpha, especially the first pic. That looks like down by the area where there was later a memorial to civilians killed in that area (a rough wooden cross - it's still there).

But I agree - this certainly looks earlier than 1979. Wasn't the OP Alpha tower more elaborate than that in 1979? And when I did a border tour with 3/11ACR at OPs India and Romeo in the 1979-80 timeframe, it was a HUGE no-no to point weapons toward the border and/or the DDR border troops. This would have meant a highly-undesireable border incident. We used to park a tank at Romeo-Fwd, right at the end of the old Autobahn where the bridge had been blown in 1945, but we had to park it with the gun tube over the back deck in travel lock.

But I was only there for a couple months and we weren't Cav - just pulling their duty when they went to Graf one time. Maybe this prohibition wasn't universal along the border?

Geoff Walden
Back to top
View user's profile
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:57 pm
Post subject: Re: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79

Geoff, I was at OP Alpha for the same reason. We relieved an 11th Cav unit while they were at gunnery in Graf. I'll never forget that one day I went up into the tower and everyone was laughing. I looked across at the East German tower and everyone in their tower had binoculars and was looking right at us. I asked what was going on and someone said to look at the front of our tower. Someone had hung up a Playboy foldout!

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:10 pm
Post subject: Re: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79

In 1988 or 89, My Battalion (4/32 Ar, 3rd AD) Assumed the duty of border ops to allow 11th ACR to conduct their Graf rotation.

A Co was manning OP Alpha. One of the Plt Sgt's (An E-7 who shall remain nameless..) was heading the shift change, assuming the NCOIC of the tower 'crew'.

As the change over was inprogress, the E.Germans began massive unannounced activities adjacient to the OP Alpha tower. This caused the US personnel to scramble to immediate alert status. Tensions rose to an unusual heightened state. Both sides maintained a ready status, until word came down that the East Zone Alert had been caused when the TOW launcher in OP Alpha was observed being loaded by the tower crew.

The Tower personnel immediately denied such an activity.

The Plt Sgt/ NCOIC (on secure communications) firmly stated that this was an impossibility since the missile tube couldn't have been mounted.

His reasoning was since he had personally placed his large green coffee thermos in the TOW launcher Shocked , he knew the missle could never have been loaded.

Mr. Green

I belive this is the same time frame that the 11th ACR had the 'friendly fire' incident at Range 301. This is when a tank while on long delay, mistakenly engaged two Bradley's ( firing 3 main gun rounds in 15 seconds) hitting one Bradley once, and the second twice.

Quite an ugly time at Graf during that rotation.

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
tanker2010
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
Posts: 264
Location: Kansas City, Mo.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:55 pm
Post subject: Re: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79

- Roy_A_Lingle


While the laser rangefinder is post-Vietnam, it was some time after that they became available.
When I was at Schweinfurt (1974-1978), I don't remember seeing them on 3/7th Cav's vehicles. I even did a border camp tour with one of the troops during 1977 (I think) and I am sure them didn't have them then.

I maybe wrong, but it seams like the laser started being mounted on the Sheridan about the same time the fielding of the M60A3 started.



Roy,
I was in HHB 2/39FA and we shared our Motor Hole with 3/7CAV. They were A1's with the laser. I spent a lot of time climbing on them, checking them out. I read an article on some 11ACR web page, that I can't find now, that they started fielding the A1 around `74. As a side note, the summer of `78 3/7CAV converted to M60A1's. We were in our Line shack one day when a 105MM gun barrel came crashing thru the wall. We ran out side to find a couple black beanies looking a little ashamed. Their excuse, "Whoa, dude, forgot it had a longer tube.". Our reply,"Smoke another bowl, Cav boys.".
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:22 pm
Post subject: Re: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79

In 3/12th Cav I think we got our M551A1's in 1976. By then all the border Cav already had them because they were a higher priority. Seems like we had some of the LRF's installed at a maintenance facility in Hanau (Fliegerhorst?).

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
crustytanker
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 5
Location: Bowie, MD, USA
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:11 am
Post subject: Re: 11th ACR (OP Alpha?) 01MAY79

Buq-Buq wrote:
Unfortunately, the 2nd ACR Sheridan pictures by Russell Vaughn in the Hunnicutt book (pages 253-254) don't show enough of the forward part of the cupola to tell if the LRF is there.


Mark - I am flattered that you found my old pics. I served in the Second Squadron, Second ACR in Bamberg, FRG from 1974 to 1977. Our Sheridans did not receive LRFs until 1976 or early 1977. They were installed by contact teams right in our motor pool.
Regards, Russ Vaughan
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum