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Here's a few ID features....

Don

Hi Don! Hi Folks!

Very good catch! The skirt has been cut away from the sprocket area.

1. The T28 at Knox still has a full set of skirts!
2. Could it be that something was learned during the testing of the T28 about putting skirts over the sprocket area? Then forgotten and had to be relearned during the M1's deployment.

While we can not tell which T28 that one is, open sprocket vis covered maybe our guide to which one we are viewing.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

Come on, guys, look again . . . that "skirt" is not cut away — it can't be: it is integral to the outside track assembly. Look at the drawings . . . the bogey trucks and sprocket mounting is bolted directly to the armor. If you were to cut away that portion of the "skirt" the sprocket would cartwheel right off the spline connecting it to the inner sprocket, and you'd have a mobility-killed T-28. Why, the friction of the track on the loose sprocket would probably burn up the final drive, and probably start a fire.



OK, so maybe that skirt is cut away . . .



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OK, so this Yuma picture was a T28 Superheavy Tank photo that I had never seen before. Another one surfaced recently, in George Bradford's new book "World War II AFV Plans: American Armored Fighting Vehicles". It is towards the back of the book (page 92), and is a rather attractive overhead frontal shot, with a quarter-ton truck for scale and a waving driver. Unfortunately, it looks like the original photo has been retouched a bit, to highlight a few details lost in shadow. Other than that, its a pretty cool picture.



Mark

Hi Buq-Buq! Hi Folks!

- Buq-Buq

Come on, guys, look again . . . that "skirt" is not cut away — it can't be: it is integral to the outside track assembly. Look at the drawings . . . the bogey trucks and sprocket mounting is bolted directly to the armor. If you were to cut away that portion of the "skirt" the sprocket would cartwheel right off the spline connecting it to the inner sprocket, and you'd have a mobility-killed T-28. Why, the friction of the track on the loose sprocket would probably burn up the final drive, and probably start a fire.

OK, so maybe that skirt is cut away . . .

The outer sprockets must be bolted or welded to the inter set of sprockets for that area of the shirt to be removed.

That means that the outer tracks set can no longer be removed from the hull. When the outer tracks are standing alone that area must be present to hold the sprocket in it's position as part of a separable set of tracks.

That maybe why a single crane is mounted on each side rather than both setting on the side the last set of separable tracks was remounted to the hull.

I think Buq-Buq is on to something, just a case of thinking separated would be a problem rather than combined.

Very Interesting!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

Patton and Stuart

British Priest, maybe El Amanein area

That e-bay link that Taranov provided for the half-tracks is like looking into a time capsule. I've spent hours looking at all those photos. They were taken by a G.I. stationed in Italy. Since they are being sold on German e-bay, can one presume that he was killed/captured and the film spent all these years as a war souvenir?

- Dennis_Smith

That e-bay link that Taranov provided for the half-tracks is like looking into a time capsule. I've spent hours looking at all those photos. They were taken by a G.I. stationed in Italy. Since they are being sold on German e-bay, can one presume that he was killed/captured and the film spent all these years as a war souvenir?

You'll notice that the seller's location is Italy, so it may be from a GI who had his European out there or something similar.

Cheers,

Jens O.

Interesting photos - ex-polish 7TP, captured in France by US Army troops in 1944

M1917 6-tons, i think

With comment


US Tank Destroyer Column Attack Thru Strasbourg Photo

Load Tank Destroyer On Ship At Houston TX Dock Photo


Twin Turret Tanks Loaded On SS Baranof For War Photo

13 Ton Recon Light Tank Loaded On Invasion Barge Photo

ISU-152

Hmm nice photos, thanks for showing them.

Just one note, that halftrack is not a tank destroyer, it has the MG pulpit up front (complete with covered M2) and a bunch of stowage in the back.

Famous PzKpfw I Ausf.A with Breda gun

- Jens_O_Mehner

Hmm nice photos, thanks for showing them.

Just one note, that halftrack is not a tank destroyer, it has the MG pulpit up front (complete with covered M2) and a bunch of stowage in the back.

But what is the vehicle entering (or exiting) the Landing Craft in the background?

Realy huge shots pack, american AFVs and artillery only

Troop B 1st Cavalry tanks Fort Riley KS 8x10 1938



1st Cav T-5 Tank throws a tread Ft Riley KS 6x8 1934




Combat Car Tank T-4 test run Fort Riley KS 6x8 1934



Tank fording stream Fort Benning GA 8x10 1941



Medium Tank on 16th Eng ferry Ft Knox KY 8x10 1941



West Point men visit light tanks Aberdeen MD 8x10 1941



1st Armored tanks demo Congressmen Ft Knox 8x10 1941



Mascot Sarg Sgt Selak 75mm gun on tank LA 8x10 1941



2nd Armored tank fords stream Ft Benning GA 8x10 1941



1st Army Tank caves civilian bridge Monroe NC 8x10 1941



69th Armored M-3 Tanks on train Rock Hill SC 8x10 1941



1st Army tanks cross bridge Wateree River SC 8x10 1941



Two M-3 Light Tanks Fort Benning Review 8x10 1942



M-3 Medium Tank Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1942



M-3 tank exits smokescreen Camp Funston 8x10 1942




M-3 Tank on pontoon bridge Pee Dee River SC 8x10 1942




M-3 Tank driver halts Mojave Desert Indio CA 8x10 1942




7th Armored M-3 Tank near Hornbeck LA 8x10 1942




Lt J C Ramirez drives M-3 tank Indio CA 8x10 1942




Sgt Crumpler & Pfc Brown camouflage M-3 tank 8x10 1942




M-3 Tank exiting flat car Louisiana Maneuvers 8x10 1942




M-3 Medium Tank on flat car Camp Polk LA 8x10 1942




2nd Army tank traffic tie-up Rt 10 Lebanon TN 8x10 1942




191st Tank Battalion Wash DC Memorial Day 8x10 1942




M-3 Tank under repair Louisiana Maneuvers 8x10 1942




3rd Army tank & horse cavalry Louisiana Maneuvers 1942




68th Armored Tank Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1942




2nd Armored light tank disabled Cheraw SC 8x10 1941




81st Recon Tank Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941




69th Armored M-3 Tanks Rock Hill SC 8x10 1941




Light tank & Scout Car ford stream Ft Benning 8x10 1941




66th Armored Light Tank Murfreesboro TN 8x10 1941




Overturned 66th Armored tank Tennessee Maneuvers 1941




68th Armored Light Tank near Holly LA 8x10 1941




68th AR 2nd Armored Div Tanks Holly LA 8x10 1941




67th Armor M-3 tanks ready to go Carthage TX 8x10 1941




192nd Tank Bn & motorcycle scouts Arkansas 8x10 1941




66th AR 2nd Armored tank retreat Mt Carmel LA 8x10 1941




2nd Army 192nd Tank Bn Arkansas Maneuvers 8x10 1941




1st Armored Tank Brigade Fort Knox KY 8x10 1940




M-2A4 Light Tank 1st Armored Fort Knox 8x10 1941




1st Army Light Tanks Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941




37mm Tank Destroyer Fargo 3/4-ton Carolina 8x10 1942




2nd Armored hook 37mm Anti-tank gun Carolina 8x10 1942




93rd Tank Destroyer Bn 75mm gun half-track 8x10 1941




30th Anti-tank Bn 2nd Armored Cheraw SC 8x10 1941




44th Div 37mm Anti-Tank Battery Wadesboro NC 8x10 1941




128th Inf Anti-tank Crew Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941




37mm Anti-tank Gun 2nd Army Cedar Bluff TN 8x10 1942




9th Inf Div Anti-Tank gun Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941




Camouflaged 37mm Anti-tank Gun Red Cross NC 8x10 1941




Stripping 37mm M-4 Anti-Tank gun Carolina 8x10 1941




137th Inf 37mm Anti-Tank Bn Camp Robinson KS 8x10 1941




37mm gun 1st Prov Anti-Tank Co Carolina Maneuvers 1941



37mm Anti-tank gun defends Tennessee airport 8x10 1942




75mm Anti-tank Gun 47th FA Wadesboro NC 8x10 1941




34th Inf Anti-Tank Crew Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941




27th Div Anti-Tank Bn Louisiana Maneuvers 8x10 1941




37mm Anti-tank gun public road Louisiana 8x10 1941




157th Inf 37mm Anti-tank Gun Peson LA 8x10 1941
3rd Army Tanks attack Castor Lake Charles LA 8x10 1941




Camouflaged 75mm Anti-tank Gun Ft Lewis WA 8x10 1941




53rd Inf 37mm Anti-tank gun Centralia WA 8x10 1941




2nd Army 37mm Anti-tank Gun Beach Grove TN 8x10 1941




Provisional Tank Destroyer Bn demo Fort Meade 8x10 1941




New helmets 94th Anti-tank Bn Ft Benning 8x10 1941




45th Div 37mm Anti-tank Gun Camp Barkeley 8x10 1941




94th Anti-tank Bn 37mm gun drill Ft benning 8x10 1940




37mm Gun 4th Anti-tank Bn 3rd Army Ft Benning 8x10 1940




Truck tows 37mm Anti-tank gun Ft Benning GA 8x10 1940




46th Tank Bn 13th Armored color 8x10 1943




40th Tank Bn 7th Armored desert action color 8x10 1943




Tank crew briefing Fort Jackson SC color 8x10 1943




107th Cav load 37mm Anti-tank guns Fort Ord 8x10 1942




1st Cav Light Tank Fort Knox KY 8x10 1941




6th Cav Anti-tank Platoon Scout Car Ft Oglethorpe 1940




Tank demo 104th Cav Mech White Plant Berwick 8x10 1941




Tank over obstacle demo Fort Belvoir VA 8x10 1940




Medium Tank M-2A1 67th Inf 3rd Army Maneuvers 8x10 1940




Light tanks in action Fort Benning War Games 8x10 1940




Tanks get simulated fire Ft Benning War Games 8x10 1939




Air cover for tanks Ft Benning War Games 8x10 1939




66th Inf Tank 5th Engineers Ft Belvoir 8x10 1939




Wire obstacle stops 66th Inf Tank Ft Belvoir 8x10 1939




66th Inf Tank breaches log barrier Ft Belvoir 8x10 1939




66th Inf Tank over stump obstacle Ft Belvoir 8x10 1939




4th Tank Co camouflage a tank Biloxi MS 8x10 1938




Radio-equipped tank of Gen Malone Ft Meade 6x8 1932




Heavy Tank on maneuvers Ft Leonard Wood 6x8 1928




Mark VIII Tank Maneuvers Ft Leonard Wood 6x8 1928




Medium Tank T-3 Combat Car Christie T-1 Aberdeen 1932




6-ton Baby Tanks Ft Meade Graduation Day demo 6x8 1932




Light Tank demo for Congress Ft Belvoir 8x10 1941




1st Cav Combat Car Tank Fort Knox KY 8x10 1938




13-ton Tank demo for Congress Fort Belvoir VA 8x10 1941




Tank destroying obstacle demo Ft Belvoir VA 8x10 1940




28th Tank Co 1st Army maneuvers Potsdam NY 8x10 1940




Medium Tank M2A1 67th Regt 3rd Army 8x10 1940




Tank passing entrenched infantry Fort Benning 8x10 1940




66th Inf tanks ford stream Ft Meade MD photo 1939




66th Inf Tank crushing log barrier Ft Meade 8x10 1939




6-ton Tanks bridge trenches Fort Eustis VA 8x10 1931




Tank Maneuvers Fort Leonard Wood MD 6x8 1928




Grads operate tanks Tank School Ft Meade MD 6x8 1932



1st Cav Machine Gun troop Half-Track Ft Riley 6x8 1934




14th Cav Scout car with AA Guns Ft Sheridan 8x10 1938




6th Cav Scout car fires AA guns Ft Oglethorpe 8x10 1938




3rd Cav AA guns from Scout Car Fort Myer VA 8x10 1938




6th Cav AA gun on Scout Car Ft Oglethorpe 8x10 1938




Bat'y A 1st FA Ft Sill 75mm gun at Ft Riley 6x8 1934




2nd Armored motorcycle scouts & tommy guns 8x10 1941




Engineers machine gun fire Louisiana Maneuvers 1942




Sgt Jackson 13th Armored machine gun Carolina 8x10 1941




Planes & 75mm & 37mm guns Lake Charles LA 8x10 1941




New 37mm Gun Squad 30th Inf Presidio CA 8x10 1940




Bantam Car Jeep & 37mm gun in mid-air 8x10 1941




13th Armored Half-Track tommy gun Bethune SC 8x10 1941




M3 37mm gun on M4 Carriage 8x10 1939




16th Inf Machine gun light weapons carrier 8x10 1940




Machine gun crew on combat car Louisiana 8x10 1942




50cal T2IEI Machine gun tripod mount 8x10 1935




37mm Gun Model 1916 extension trail carriage 6x8 1928




37mm Gun Carriage M1916 Rock Island Arsenal 8x10 1928




37mm T7 Gun on T5 Carriage 8x10 1938




210th FA 3" gun Grant Park Chicago 8x10 1941




40mm Bofors AA gun US version Aberdeen 8x10 1941




202nd CA AA Gun demo Fort Bliss TX 8x10 1941




68th CA gun guard bridge Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941




209th CA truck & 37mm gun Carolina 8x10 1941




203rd CA 50cal AA Gun crew Lake Charles LA 8x10 1942




Gun Crew 75mm Howitzer Fort Bliss TX 8x10 1942




Rep Buell 1st Army AA gun Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941




FWD Artillery Truck AA Machine Gun Ft Meade 7x9 1932








Radio Armored Car at Rock Island Arsenal IL 8x10 1931




Armored Car Model A Ford convoy Fort Riley KS 6x8 1934




1st Cav Armored Car serviced Ft Knox-Ft Riley 6x8 1934




1st Cav Armored Cars inspection line Ft Riley 6x8 1934




1st Cav Troop A Armored Car Fort Riley KS 6x8 1934




Christie Armored Car maintenance Ft Riley 6x8 1934




Christie Combat Cars road repair Ft Riley 6x8 1934




Christie Combat Car demo Ft Leavenworth KS 6x8 1934




4th Armored Combat Car line-up Pine Camp NY 8x10 1941




Armored Scout Car crests hill Aberdeen MD 8x10 1941




1st Armored motorcycle formation OP6 Ft Knox 8x10 1941




12th Armored Motorcycle Scout tommy gun Ft Knox 1941




Armored scout flops motorcycle Fort Knox KY 8x10 1942




Soldiers of 4th Armored arrive Pine Cxamp NY 8x10 1941




32nd Armored jeep serviced Camp Beauregard 8x10 1941




Half-track Armored Cars Camp Shelby MS 8x10 1941




1st Armored Scout car & Field Artillery Cyprus LA 1941




Gen Magruder 1st Armored Scout Car Ft Knox 8x10 1941




Scout cars trucks 2nd Armored Review Ft Benning GA 1941




Machine gunner 7th Armored maneuvers color 8x10 1945




Armored Force Scout Car Fort Knox KY 8x10 1941



54th Cav Armored Recon Car Camp McCoy WI 8x10 1940



13th Armored Cav Plattsburgh Barracks NY 8x10 1939



Newsman Amador looks over 3rd Army Scout Car 1941



29th Recon gunner in scout car Carolina Maneuvers 1942



Half-track Chassis White Motor Co Scout Car 8x10 1941



M3A1 Scout Car pontoon bridge Salt River KY 8x10 1941



15th Recon 1st Army Scout Car Carolina 8x10 1941?



102nd Cav Mech dismount scout car Camden SC 8x10 1941



Camouflaged scout car 113th Cav Louisiana 8x10 1941



16th Eng Scout Car Ferry Assault Boat Ft Knox 8x10 1940



Radio-equipped 3rd Cav Scout Car Fort Myer VA 8x10 1939



1st Recon Scout Car Troop A Fort Bliss 8x10 1939

Very interesting pics. Several shots of a M2A2E2 not unlike the one being restored at APG and featured in that thread.

This pic is prominently featured in a book I have, "U.S. Army Photo Album, 1941-1945" on a two-page spread, but is wider and features a few more vehicles, including two motorcycles on the left side. It's cropped in this view (on left and right).

T-5 Combat Car Tank takes ditch Fort Riley KS 6x8

19th Inf Combat Car Hawaii Maneuvers 8x10 1941

Repair of 1st Cav T-5 Combat Car Ft Riley KS 6x8 1934

Half-track Car on White Motor assembly line 8x10 1941

Gen Magruder's half-track on flat car Rock Hill SC 1941

Radio-equipped Command Recon Car Ft Oglethorpe GA 1940

8th Cav Trucks on flat cars Anacoco LA 8x10 1942

Camouflaged trucks Pontoon Bridge Louisiana 8x10 1941

Camouflaged Field Office Tennessee Maneuvers 8x10 1942

Camouflaged half-track Tennessee Maneuvers 8x10 1942

107th Cav Camouflaged Scout Cars Tennessee 8x10 1941

Half-track at crossroads Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1942

T3 Shumpert helps Pvt Driver in half-track LA 8x10 1942

Half-track ferry Camp Polk Sabine River LA 8x10 1942

Half-track down embankment Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941

8th Inf Half-track Personnel Carrier Ft Benning GA 1941

66th AR Half-track crashes bridge Shelbyville TN 1941

10th Cav horse carriers ACF Plant Berwick PA 8x10 1941