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Dontos · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: Re: UA Army AFVs from eBay

Here's a few ID features....

Don

Roy_A_Lingle · Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:22 am Post subject: Re: UA Army AFVs from eBay

Hi Don! Hi Folks!

Very good catch! The skirt has been cut away from the sprocket area.

1. The T28 at Knox still has a full set of skirts!
2. Could it be that something was learned during the testing of the T28 about putting skirts over the sprocket area? Then forgotten and had to be relearned during the M1's deployment.

While we can not tell which T28 that one is, open sprocket vis covered maybe our guide to which one we are viewing.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

Buq-Buq · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Mar 04, 2006 Posts: 86

Come on, guys, look again . . . that "skirt" is not cut away â€” it can't be: it is integral to the outside track assembly. Look at the drawings . . . the bogey trucks and sprocket mounting is bolted directly to the armor. If you were to cut away that portion of the "skirt" the sprocket would cartwheel right off the spline connecting it to the inner sprocket, and you'd have a mobility-killed T-28. Why, the friction of the track on the loose sprocket would probably burn up the final drive, and probably start a fire.

OK, so maybe that skirt is cut away . . .

:-0

OK, so this Yuma picture was a T28 Superheavy Tank photo that I had never seen before. Another one surfaced recently, in George Bradford's new book "World War II AFV Plans: American Armored Fighting Vehicles". It is towards the back of the book (page 92), and is a rather attractive overhead frontal shot, with a quarter-ton truck for scale and a waving driver. Unfortunately, it looks like the original photo has been retouched a bit, to highlight a few details lost in shadow. Other than that, its a pretty cool picture.

Mark

Roy_A_Lingle · Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: UA Army AFVs from eBay

Hi Buq-Buq! Hi Folks!

- Buq-Buq

Come on, guys, look again . . . that "skirt" is not cut away â€” it can't be: it is integral to the outside track assembly. Look at the drawings . . . the bogey trucks and sprocket mounting is bolted directly to the armor. If you were to cut away that portion of the "skirt" the sprocket would cartwheel right off the spline connecting it to the inner sprocket, and you'd have a mobility-killed T-28. Why, the friction of the track on the loose sprocket would probably burn up the final drive, and probably start a fire.

OK, so maybe that skirt is cut away . . .

The outer sprockets must be bolted or welded to the inter set of sprockets for that area of the shirt to be removed.

That means that the outer tracks set can no longer be removed from the hull. When the outer tracks are standing alone that area must be present to hold the sprocket in it's position as part of a separable set of tracks.

That maybe why a single crane is mounted on each side rather than both setting on the side the last set of separable tracks was remounted to the hull.

I think Buq-Buq is on to something, just a case of thinking separated would be a problem rather than combined.

Very Interesting! Shocked

Sgt, Scouts Out!

Taranov · Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:45 am Post subject: Re: US Army AFVs from eBay

Patton and Stuart

British Priest, maybe El Amanein area

Dennis_Smith · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Mar 17, 2006 Posts: 192

That e-bay link that Taranov provided for the half-tracks is like looking into a time capsule. I've spent hours looking at all those photos. They were taken by a G.I. stationed in Italy. Since they are being sold on German e-bay, can one presume that he was killed/captured and the film spent all these years as a war souvenir?

Jens_O_Mehner · Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: Re: US Army AFVs from eBay

- Dennis_Smith

That e-bay link that Taranov provided for the half-tracks is like looking into a time capsule. I've spent hours looking at all those photos. They were taken by a G.I. stationed in Italy. Since they are being sold on German e-bay, can one presume that he was killed/captured and the film spent all these years as a war souvenir?

You'll notice that the seller's location is Italy, so it may be from a GI who had his European out there or something similar.

Cheers,

Jens O.

Taranov · Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: US Army AFVs from eBay

Interesting photos - ex-polish 7TP, captured in France by US Army troops in 1944

Taranov · Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: US Army AFVs from eBay

M1917 6-tons, i think

With comment

US Tank Destroyer Column Attack Thru Strasbourg Photo

Load Tank Destroyer On Ship At Houston TX Dock Photo

Twin Turret Tanks Loaded On SS Baranof For War Photo

13 Ton Recon Light Tank Loaded On Invasion Barge Photo

ISU-152

Jens_O_Mehner · Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: US Army AFVs from eBay

Hmm nice photos, thanks for showing them.

Just one note, that halftrack is not a tank destroyer, it has the MG pulpit up front (complete with covered M2) and a bunch of stowage in the back.

Taranov · Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: US Army AFVs from eBay

Famous PzKpfw I Ausf.A with Breda gun

bsmart · Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: US Army AFVs from eBay

- Jens_O_Mehner

Hmm nice photos, thanks for showing them.

Just one note, that halftrack is not a tank destroyer, it has the MG pulpit up front (complete with covered M2) and a bunch of stowage in the back.

But what is the vehicle entering (or exiting) the Landing Craft in the background?

Taranov · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: US Army AFVs from eBay

Realy huge shots pack, american AFVs and artillery only

Troop B 1st Cavalry tanks Fort Riley KS 8x10 1938

1st Cav T-5 Tank throws a tread Ft Riley KS 6x8 1934

Combat Car Tank T-4 test run Fort Riley KS 6x8 1934

Tank fording stream Fort Benning GA 8x10 1941

Medium Tank on 16th Eng ferry Ft Knox KY 8x10 1941

West Point men visit light tanks Aberdeen MD 8x10 1941

1st Armored tanks demo Congressmen Ft Knox 8x10 1941

Mascot Sarg Sgt Selak 75mm gun on tank LA 8x10 1941

2nd Armored tank fords stream Ft Benning GA 8x10 1941

1st Army Tank caves civilian bridge Monroe NC 8x10 1941

69th Armored M-3 Tanks on train Rock Hill SC 8x10 1941

1st Army tanks cross bridge Wateree River SC 8x10 1941

Two M-3 Light Tanks Fort Benning Review 8x10 1942

M-3 Medium Tank Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1942

M-3 tank exits smokescreen Camp Funston 8x10 1942

M-3 Tank on pontoon bridge Pee Dee River SC 8x10 1942

M-3 Tank driver halts Mojave Desert Indio CA 8x10 1942

7th Armored M-3 Tank near Hornbeck LA 8x10 1942

Lt J C Ramirez drives M-3 tank Indio CA 8x10 1942

Sgt Crumpler & Pfc Brown camouflage M-3 tank 8x10 1942

M-3 Tank exiting flat car Louisiana Maneuvers 8x10 1942

M-3 Medium Tank on flat car Camp Polk LA 8x10 1942

2nd Army tank traffic tie-up Rt 10 Lebanon TN 8x10 1942

191st Tank Battalion Wash DC Memorial Day 8x10 1942

M-3 Tank under repair Louisiana Maneuvers 8x10 1942

3rd Army tank & horse cavalry Louisiana Maneuvers 1942

68th Armored Tank Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1942

2nd Armored light tank disabled Cheraw SC 8x10 1941

81st Recon Tank Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941

69th Armored M-3 Tanks Rock Hill SC 8x10 1941

Light tank & Scout Car ford stream Ft Benning 8x10 1941

66th Armored Light Tank Murfreesboro TN 8x10 1941

Overturned 66th Armored tank Tennessee Maneuvers 1941

68th Armored Light Tank near Holly LA 8x10 1941

68th AR 2nd Armored Div Tanks Holly LA 8x10 1941

67th Armor M-3 tanks ready to go Carthage TX 8x10 1941

192nd Tank Bn & motorcycle scouts Arkansas 8x10 1941

66th AR 2nd Armored tank retreat Mt Carmel LA 8x10 1941

2nd Army 192nd Tank Bn Arkansas Maneuvers 8x10 1941

1st Armored Tank Brigade Fort Knox KY 8x10 1940

M-2A4 Light Tank 1st Armored Fort Knox 8x10 1941

1st Army Light Tanks Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941

37mm Tank Destroyer Fargo 3/4-ton Carolina 8x10 1942

2nd Armored hook 37mm Anti-tank gun Carolina 8x10 1942

93rd Tank Destroyer Bn 75mm gun half-track 8x10 1941

30th Anti-tank Bn 2nd Armored Cheraw SC 8x10 1941

44th Div 37mm Anti-Tank Battery Wadesboro NC 8x10 1941

128th Inf Anti-tank Crew Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941

37mm Anti-tank Gun 2nd Army Cedar Bluff TN 8x10 1942

9th Inf Div Anti-Tank gun Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941

Camouflaged 37mm Anti-tank Gun Red Cross NC 8x10 1941

Stripping 37mm M-4 Anti-Tank gun Carolina 8x10 1941

137th Inf 37mm Anti-Tank Bn Camp Robinson KS 8x10 1941

37mm gun 1st Prov Anti-Tank Co Carolina Maneuvers 1941

37mm Anti-tank gun defends Tennessee airport 8x10 1942

75mm Anti-tank Gun 47th FA Wadesboro NC 8x10 1941

34th Inf Anti-Tank Crew Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941

27th Div Anti-Tank Bn Louisiana Maneuvers 8x10 1941

37mm Anti-tank gun public road Louisiana 8x10 1941

157th Inf 37mm Anti-tank Gun Peson LA 8x10 1941
3rd Army Tanks attack Castor Lake Charles LA 8x10 1941

Camouflaged 75mm Anti-tank Gun Ft Lewis WA 8x10 1941

53rd Inf 37mm Anti-tank gun Centralia WA 8x10 1941

2nd Army 37mm Anti-tank Gun Beach Grove TN 8x10 1941

Provisional Tank Destroyer Bn demo Fort Meade 8x10 1941

New helmets 94th Anti-tank Bn Ft Benning 8x10 1941

45th Div 37mm Anti-tank Gun Camp Barkeley 8x10 1941

94th Anti-tank Bn 37mm gun drill Ft benning 8x10 1940

37mm Gun 4th Anti-tank Bn 3rd Army Ft Benning 8x10 1940

Truck tows 37mm Anti-tank gun Ft Benning GA 8x10 1940

46th Tank Bn 13th Armored color 8x10 1943

40th Tank Bn 7th Armored desert action color 8x10 1943

Tank crew briefing Fort Jackson SC color 8x10 1943

107th Cav load 37mm Anti-tank guns Fort Ord 8x10 1942

1st Cav Light Tank Fort Knox KY 8x10 1941

6th Cav Anti-tank Platoon Scout Car Ft Oglethorpe 1940

Tank demo 104th Cav Mech White Plant Berwick 8x10 1941

Tank over obstacle demo Fort Belvoir VA 8x10 1940

Medium Tank M-2A1 67th Inf 3rd Army Maneuvers 8x10 1940

Light tanks in action Fort Benning War Games 8x10 1940

Tanks get simulated fire Ft Benning War Games 8x10 1939

Air cover for tanks Ft Benning War Games 8x10 1939

66th Inf Tank 5th Engineers Ft Belvoir 8x10 1939

Wire obstacle stops 66th Inf Tank Ft Belvoir 8x10 1939

66th Inf Tank breaches log barrier Ft Belvoir 8x10 1939

66th Inf Tank over stump obstacle Ft Belvoir 8x10 1939

4th Tank Co camouflage a tank Biloxi MS 8x10 1938

Radio-equipped tank of Gen Malone Ft Meade 6x8 1932

Heavy Tank on maneuvers Ft Leonard Wood 6x8 1928

Mark VIII Tank Maneuvers Ft Leonard Wood 6x8 1928

Medium Tank T-3 Combat Car Christie T-1 Aberdeen 1932

6-ton Baby Tanks Ft Meade Graduation Day demo 6x8 1932

Light Tank demo for Congress Ft Belvoir 8x10 1941

1st Cav Combat Car Tank Fort Knox KY 8x10 1938

13-ton Tank demo for Congress Fort Belvoir VA 8x10 1941

Tank destroying obstacle demo Ft Belvoir VA 8x10 1940

28th Tank Co 1st Army maneuvers Potsdam NY 8x10 1940

Medium Tank M2A1 67th Regt 3rd Army 8x10 1940

Tank passing entrenched infantry Fort Benning 8x10 1940

66th Inf tanks ford stream Ft Meade MD photo 1939

66th Inf Tank crushing log barrier Ft Meade 8x10 1939

6-ton Tanks bridge trenches Fort Eustis VA 8x10 1931

Tank Maneuvers Fort Leonard Wood MD 6x8 1928

Grads operate tanks Tank School Ft Meade MD 6x8 1932

1st Cav Machine Gun troop Half-Track Ft Riley 6x8 1934

14th Cav Scout car with AA Guns Ft Sheridan 8x10 1938

6th Cav Scout car fires AA guns Ft Oglethorpe 8x10 1938

3rd Cav AA guns from Scout Car Fort Myer VA 8x10 1938

6th Cav AA gun on Scout Car Ft Oglethorpe 8x10 1938

Bat'y A 1st FA Ft Sill 75mm gun at Ft Riley 6x8 1934

2nd Armored motorcycle scouts & tommy guns 8x10 1941

Engineers machine gun fire Louisiana Maneuvers 1942

Sgt Jackson 13th Armored machine gun Carolina 8x10 1941

Planes & 75mm & 37mm guns Lake Charles LA 8x10 1941

New 37mm Gun Squad 30th Inf Presidio CA 8x10 1940

Bantam Car Jeep & 37mm gun in mid-air 8x10 1941

13th Armored Half-Track tommy gun Bethune SC 8x10 1941

M3 37mm gun on M4 Carriage 8x10 1939

16th Inf Machine gun light weapons carrier 8x10 1940

Machine gun crew on combat car Louisiana 8x10 1942

50cal T2IEI Machine gun tripod mount 8x10 1935

37mm Gun Model 1916 extension trail carriage 6x8 1928

37mm Gun Carriage M1916 Rock Island Arsenal 8x10 1928

37mm T7 Gun on T5 Carriage 8x10 1938

210th FA 3" gun Grant Park Chicago 8x10 1941

40mm Bofors AA gun US version Aberdeen 8x10 1941

202nd CA AA Gun demo Fort Bliss TX 8x10 1941

68th CA gun guard bridge Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941

209th CA truck & 37mm gun Carolina 8x10 1941

203rd CA 50cal AA Gun crew Lake Charles LA 8x10 1942

Gun Crew 75mm Howitzer Fort Bliss TX 8x10 1942

Rep Buell 1st Army AA gun Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941

FWD Artillery Truck AA Machine Gun Ft Meade 7x9 1932

Radio Armored Car at Rock Island Arsenal IL 8x10 1931

Armored Car Model A Ford convoy Fort Riley KS 6x8 1934

1st Cav Armored Car serviced Ft Knox-Ft Riley 6x8 1934

1st Cav Armored Cars inspection line Ft Riley 6x8 1934

1st Cav Troop A Armored Car Fort Riley KS 6x8 1934

Christie Armored Car maintenance Ft Riley 6x8 1934

Christie Combat Cars road repair Ft Riley 6x8 1934

Christie Combat Car demo Ft Leavenworth KS 6x8 1934

4th Armored Combat Car line-up Pine Camp NY 8x10 1941

Armored Scout Car crests hill Aberdeen MD 8x10 1941

1st Armored motorcycle formation OP6 Ft Knox 8x10 1941

12th Armored Motorcycle Scout tommy gun Ft Knox 1941

Armored scout flops motorcycle Fort Knox KY 8x10 1942

Soldiers of 4th Armored arrive Pine Cxamp NY 8x10 1941

32nd Armored jeep serviced Camp Beauregard 8x10 1941

Half-track Armored Cars Camp Shelby MS 8x10 1941

1st Armored Scout car & Field Artillery Cyprus LA 1941

Gen Magruder 1st Armored Scout Car Ft Knox 8x10 1941

Scout cars trucks 2nd Armored Review Ft Benning GA 1941

Machine gunner 7th Armored maneuvers color 8x10 1945

Armored Force Scout Car Fort Knox KY 8x10 1941

54th Cav Armored Recon Car Camp McCoy WI 8x10 1940

13th Armored Cav Plattsburgh Barracks NY 8x10 1939

Newsman Amador looks over 3rd Army Scout Car 1941

29th Recon gunner in scout car Carolina Maneuvers 1942

Half-track Chassis White Motor Co Scout Car 8x10 1941

M3A1 Scout Car pontoon bridge Salt River KY 8x10 1941

15th Recon 1st Army Scout Car Carolina 8x10 1941?

102nd Cav Mech dismount scout car Camden SC 8x10 1941

Camouflaged scout car 113th Cav Louisiana 8x10 1941

16th Eng Scout Car Ferry Assault Boat Ft Knox 8x10 1940

Radio-equipped 3rd Cav Scout Car Fort Myer VA 8x10 1939

1st Recon Scout Car Troop A Fort Bliss 8x10 1939

Doug_Kibbey · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: US Army AFVs from eBay

Very interesting pics. Several shots of a M2A2E2 not unlike the one being restored at APG and featured in that thread.

This pic is prominently featured in a book I have, "U.S. Army Photo Album, 1941-1945" on a two-page spread, but is wider and features a few more vehicles, including two motorcycles on the left side. It's cropped in this view (on left and right).

Taranov · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: Re: US Army AFVs from eBay

T-5 Combat Car Tank takes ditch Fort Riley KS 6x8

19th Inf Combat Car Hawaii Maneuvers 8x10 1941

Repair of 1st Cav T-5 Combat Car Ft Riley KS 6x8 1934

Half-track Car on White Motor assembly line 8x10 1941

Gen Magruder's half-track on flat car Rock Hill SC 1941

Radio-equipped Command Recon Car Ft Oglethorpe GA 1940

8th Cav Trucks on flat cars Anacoco LA 8x10 1942

Camouflaged trucks Pontoon Bridge Louisiana 8x10 1941

Camouflaged Field Office Tennessee Maneuvers 8x10 1942

Camouflaged half-track Tennessee Maneuvers 8x10 1942

107th Cav Camouflaged Scout Cars Tennessee 8x10 1941

Half-track at crossroads Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1942

T3 Shumpert helps Pvt Driver in half-track LA 8x10 1942

Half-track ferry Camp Polk Sabine River LA 8x10 1942

Half-track down embankment Carolina Maneuvers 8x10 1941

8th Inf Half-track Personnel Carrier Ft Benning GA 1941

66th AR Half-track crashes bridge Shelbyville TN 1941

10th Cav horse carriers ACF Plant Berwick PA 8x10 1941

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