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Picture a non-ballistic commercial steel Panther II Schmalturm turret with a commercial steel gun (able to fire 75mm blanks), what would be the cost? It would sure look the part!

A template (though trashed) is available at Bovington, what are you waiting for? Wink

Dontos

- Rikard_Hufschmied

Picture a non-ballistic commercial steel Panther II Schmalturm turret with a commercial steel gun (able to fire 75mm blanks), what would be the cost? It would sure look the part!

A template (though trashed) is available at Bovington, what are you waiting for?

I understand the interest but why throw money into a non-production factory hybred, when a combat 'vet' Panther 'G' sits under a tarp rusting away....

No history in the Panther II, unless you count its capture. However an actual combat experienced 'surviving' tank who has a story is forgotten.

Pity

the_shadock

I agree with Don. By the way Rik, I sent you a private message that you didn't read yet Wink

Pierre-Olivier

Rikard_Hufschmied

- Dontos

- Rikard_Hufschmied

Picture a non-ballistic commercial steel Panther II Schmalturm turret with a commercial steel gun (able to fire 75mm blanks), what would be the cost? It would sure look the part!

A template (though trashed) is available at Bovington, what are you waiting for?

I understand the interest but why throw money into a non-production factory hybred, when a combat 'vet' Panther 'G' sits under a tarp rusting away....

No history in the Panther II, unless you count its capture. However an actual combat experienced 'surviving' tank who has a story is forgotten.

Pity

I agree as well, for some reason I always "forget" about the G that you have, it might be because of its sad condition. It certainly deserves a better faith than rustin' away under a tarp.

I revise my specification from "non-ballistic commercial steel" to "fiberglass/epoxy":)

That G turret on the Panther II is one of only two surviving with the mantlet lower "lip" and could be a display on its own.

Rikard_Hufschmied

- the_shadock

I agree with Don. By the way Rik, I sent you a private message that you didn't read yet

Pierre-Olivier

Noted, read, will get back to you.

/Rik

mike_Duplessis · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 236

Schmalturm and Panther II actually have nothing to do with eachother, except in the fevered imaginations of one or two kit makers. Panther II was pre-Panther G, a distant cousin of Tiger II. I think schmalturm was slated for Panther F, which was already on the assembly lines at war's end.

bsmart

- Rikard_Hufschmied

That G turret on the Panther II is one of only two surviving with the mantlet lower "lip" and could be a display on its own.

Question - What do you mean by a lip? Do you mean the squared off lower mantlet that was done to keep incoming rounds from glancing down into the hull top?

If so I didn't realise it was that rare. Half the panthers I see on a regular basis have it Mr. Green

I'm of course talking about the Aberdeen Panthers.

Doug_Kibbey

- bsmart

Half the panthers I see on a regular basis have it I'm of course talking about the Aberdeen Panthers.

Dontos

- Rikard_Hufschmied

- Dontos

I understand the interest but why throw money into a non-production factory hybred, when a combat 'vet' Panther 'G' sits under a tarp rusting away....

No history in the Panther II, unless you count its capture. However an actual combat experienced 'surviving' tank who has a story is forgotten.

Pity

I agree as well, for some reason I always "forget" about the G that you have, it might be because of its sad condition. It certainly deserves a better faith than rustin' away under a tarp.

I revise my specification from "non-ballistic commercial steel" to "fiberglass/epoxy":)

That G turret on the Panther II is one of only two surviving with the mantlet lower "lip" and could be a display on its own.

What LIP are we talking about??

Don

piney

Hi Don

The bottom of the mantlet is shaped differently on the earlier turrets, see below

it was reinforced and reshaped to eliminate a shot trap as Bob said HTH

Jeff Lewsi

Dontos

I see. I had heard of the shot trap, but wasn't aware of the updated turret design.

Don

bsmart

At Aberdeen the two Panthers sit side by side. The 'improvements' between early and late are obvious (at least after I point them out on tours Wink

) The mantlet chin and the drivers periscope instead of a vision port in the glacias are two obvious 'product improvements' in the Panthers short existence.

So Rikard the turret at Knox and the one at Aberdeen are the only two known examples of this feature? I hadn't noticed but sort of assumed that some of the Panthers assembled by the REME and now at Bovington had it. After all they were the last Panthers built.

Rikard_Hufschmied

- bsmart

At Aberdeen the two Panthers sit side by side. The 'improvements' between early and late are obvious (at least after I point them out on tours ) The mantlet chin and the drivers periscope instead of a vision port in the glacias are two obvious 'product improvements' in the Panthers short existence.

So Rikard the turret at Knox and the one at Aberdeen are the only two known examples of this feature? I hadn't noticed but sort of assumed that some of the Panthers assembled by the REME and now at Bovington had it. After all they were the last Panthers built.

Yes, the Panther G at Aberdeen and the G turret on the Panther II hull at Patton are the only two known survivors with the mantlet chin (better word than lip). As far as I know none of the REME bulit G:s, strangely enough, had the new mantlet. So you have a pair of unique turrets there for sure.

Dontos

The forgotten Panther...

Don

bsmart

- Rikard_Hufschmied

- bsmart

At Aberdeen the two Panthers sit side by side. The 'improvements' between early and late are obvious (at least after I point them out on tours ) The mantlet chin and the drivers periscope instead of a vision port in the glacias are two obvious 'product improvements' in the Panthers short existence.

So Rikard the turret at Knox and the one at Aberdeen are the only two known examples of this feature? I hadn't noticed but sort of assumed that some of the Panthers assembled by the REME and now at Bovington had it. After all they were the last Panthers built.

Yes, the Panther G at Aberdeen and the G turret on the Panther II hull at Patton are the only two known survivors with the mantlet chin (better word than lip). As far as I know none of the REME bulit G:s, strangely enough, had the new mantlet. So you have a pair of unique turrets there for sure.

Boy, the things you take for granted Rolling Eyes

By the way I will be doing my Fall Urbanna High School field trip on Monday 29 Oct at Aberdeen. This is the 4th or 5th year for the group. They teach a class in WWII in both the fall and spring semester and get 15-20 students each semester. This group will get to see the Elefant since it has been moved to the refurb shop.

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