±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 255
Total: 255
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Photo Gallery
04: Member Screenshots
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Member Screenshots
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Downloads
11: Home
12: Downloads
13: Community Forums
14: Photo Gallery
15: Community Forums
16: Supporters
17: Photo Gallery
18: Home
19: Member Screenshots
20: Home
21: Photo Gallery
22: News Archive
23: Community Forums
24: Statistics
25: Community Forums
26: Home
27: Photo Gallery
28: Photo Gallery
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Member Screenshots
32: Member Screenshots
33: Home
34: Home
35: Member Screenshots
36: Member Screenshots
37: Member Screenshots
38: Downloads
39: Community Forums
40: Home
41: Home
42: Home
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Your Account
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Member Screenshots
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Member Screenshots
55: Your Account
56: Community Forums
57: Your Account
58: Community Forums
59: Home
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Photo Gallery
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Member Screenshots
66: Community Forums
67: Member Screenshots
68: Photo Gallery
69: Photo Gallery
70: Home
71: Home
72: Community Forums
73: Home
74: Your Account
75: Home
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Home
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Home
86: Member Screenshots
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Member Screenshots
90: Community Forums
91: Your Account
92: Community Forums
93: Photo Gallery
94: Member Screenshots
95: Home
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Member Screenshots
99: Home
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Member Screenshots
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Home
109: Photo Gallery
110: Home
111: Community Forums
112: Member Screenshots
113: Your Account
114: Home
115: Home
116: Photo Gallery
117: Downloads
118: Community Forums
119: Member Screenshots
120: Your Account
121: Community Forums
122: Photo Gallery
123: Community Forums
124: Home
125: Home
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Downloads
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Your Account
137: Community Forums
138: Your Account
139: Downloads
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Home
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Downloads
147: Your Account
148: Home
149: Photo Gallery
150: Home
151: Community Forums
152: Downloads
153: Photo Gallery
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Photo Gallery
157: Community Forums
158: Photo Gallery
159: Home
160: Community Forums
161: Photo Gallery
162: Downloads
163: Photo Gallery
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Downloads
168: Home
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Member Screenshots
172: Downloads
173: Downloads
174: Home
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Downloads
178: Community Forums
179: Home
180: Community Forums
181: Member Screenshots
182: Home
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Home
188: Home
189: Community Forums
190: Home
191: Home
192: Community Forums
193: Home
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Photo Gallery
197: Home
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Member Screenshots
201: Community Forums
202: Photo Gallery
203: Community Forums
204: Home
205: Community Forums
206: Home
207: Your Account
208: Home
209: Community Forums
210: Home
211: Community Forums
212: Home
213: Community Forums
214: Member Screenshots
215: Community Forums
216: Home
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Your Account
221: Photo Gallery
222: Downloads
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Member Screenshots
226: Home
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Member Screenshots
230: Your Account
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Home
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Home
239: Member Screenshots
240: Community Forums
241: Home
242: Community Forums
243: Member Screenshots
244: Community Forums
245: Home
246: Photo Gallery
247: Community Forums
248: Photo Gallery
249: Community Forums
250: Your Account
251: Member Screenshots
252: Community Forums
253: Member Screenshots
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico!
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:21 pm
Post subject: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico!

Hi Folks!

Yesterday, Oct 22, 2007, I took the day and drove up to Santa Rosa NM in search of a M-728 that I had heard about on another DG.

The serial number is 280, I think the registration number is JP000. ((Joe D! Does that sound right to you?)) The bumper marking on the right rear fender looks like 34 ENG-34. Which didn't make sense to me at that time. None of the other bumper markings are readable under all the paint.

Went looking for the VFW post to see if I could learn anything about the history of the vehicle. A combat engineer vehicle in New Mexico is a bit out of place. There is no history of engineer units from New Mexico AFAIK. I ran acrossed the local National Guard Armory, possible a long haul transportation unit. Found a SFC who remembered the vehicle arriving in Santa Rosa. It was started and driven off the carrier under it's own power! Went looking for the VFW post again and found a city office for Tourism and Informantion. Stop in and asked them were the VFW post was. Met a Mr Richard Delgado who was very helpfull. He was able to track down the Commander of the local American Legion Post who took time out to come by the Informantion office and talk with me. He remember the day it arrivied in Santa Rosa also. They had to get the National Guard Armory to send out two Hummers to jump start the vehicle because the batteries were ran down. He also told me he though the vehicle had come from Ft. Bliss, Texas.

At that point the right rear bumper marking made sense to me. The vehicle had come from the 34th Engineer COMPANY of the 3rd ACR! I also figured out what the bits and pieces may have been on the left rear bumper, they were for the III Corps, 3rd ACR.

Me, The VFW sign and the ONLY M-728 CEV in the state of New Mexico!


The odometer reading, 1,016.? miles:
i41.photobucket.com/al...sview1.jpg

The driver's compartment serial number data plate, SERIAL Nu is 280, the data plate also has, what I think is, overhaul data of A N A D with a date of 11-89.
i41.photobucket.com/al...AD1108.jpg

The left rear hull stampings, 280 and JP000:
i41.photobucket.com/al...arhull.jpg

Special thanks to Mr. Delgado, Tourism Director for Santa Rosa, Post Commander Edward Salazar of the American Legion Post in Santa Rosa, and that SFC, I forgot to stop and ask his name, at the National Guard Armory.

I had a great day and learned that my new digital camera does a good job even though I can't see just what it is doing!
Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.


Last edited by Roy_A_Lingle on Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:25 am; edited 4 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:40 pm
Post subject: Re: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico!

Interesting. Did you find out when it was delivered (just curious). I just checked the TACOM list and it is listed but with a bogus serial number.

You mentioned talking to the A.L. post commander. Is there a VFW Post in town also?

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:04 pm
Post subject: Re: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico!

Hi Bob! Hi Folks!

- bsmart

Interesting. Did you find out when it was delivered (just curious). I just checked the TACOM list and it is listed but with a bogus serial number.


Me too, but I didn't think to ask sense I was hoping to make contact with one of the officers of the VFW Post.
Does the TACOM list have the registration numbers?

- bsmart

You mentioned talking to the A.L. post commander. Is there a VFW Post in town also?


I have the name of the VFW Post Commander and a second member, but I ran out of time and wasn't able to track either of them down.

Question folks. Could A N A D stand for Anniston Depot?

Hey Joe! I have been looking for the post were you (??) stated how many CEVs were build. Do you remember that? Also, do you know how many M60A1s were build?

I could use those numbers if anyone has them so I can show the folks in Santa Rosa just how rare that vehicle is. They were thinking is was a recovery vehicle.

Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.


Last edited by Roy_A_Lingle on Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:14 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:44 pm
Post subject: Re: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico

ANAD is definately Anniston Army Depot. Something a little rare I think, it still has a searchlight mount. At least I guess that's what that is.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:16 pm
Post subject: Re: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico

Hi Mark! Hi Folks!

- MarkHolloway

ANAD is definately Anniston Army Depot. Something a little rare I think, it still has a searchlight mount. At least I guess that's what that is.


That is the searchlight mount! The last version of the searchlight was a bit smaller that the one the M60s had during our days. It was about the same size as the type the Sheridans used.
Close up of the mount:

i41.photobucket.com/al...CEV068.jpg

Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.


Last edited by Roy_A_Lingle on Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:14 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:42 pm
Post subject: Re: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico!

Roy,

Do you have a picture showing a complete side view, I can't tell if she is a Generation 3 or 4 hull. From the picture you posted and the rebuild date she has all the latest upgrades. Passive instead of IR sights, VSS-3 searchlight (Hence the mounting bracket) low IR heater exhaust, VDES air cleaners plus of course upgrade to RISE engine and electrics.

About M728 production numbers, One number published said 243 another I read said 291. I tend to believe 291. My reasoning is the 243 number was from 1966-72. These hulls would be generation 2 and 3 hulls, yet I've seen GEN 4 hulls which had to have been made post 1972. All CEV's produced were made at the Detroit Tank Plant by Chrysler. There were reports of CEV's being made from M60A0 and M60A2 Hulls at Anniston but I have seen no evidence of this. The generally accepted number of M60A1 production in the US has been 7948. In addition to that OTO Melera in Italy made 200 under license. Of all production M60 series vehicles, the CEV was the least produced, More AVLB's and M60A2's were made so they are pretty unusual to see on display. I'm tracking 18 still around but I'm sure there are more stored somewhere. I've seen them in war stock as late as 2000.

If you look at Piney's M60 spotters guide it will show you where the serial and registration number is located on the front hull, which is different than the M60 because of the blade. I wasn't aware of that until Chris Hughes (Toadman) posted pictures of the CEV in Santa Rosa California. I believe this one is missing a digit, should have 6, yours is showing 5. But again these registrations can be wierd sometimes with some having 7 or 8. Never seen a 5 though, and this is a later style number starting with a "J".

Hope this helps and wasn't to long winded

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:06 pm
Post subject: Re: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico!

Hi Joe! Hi Folks!

- Joe_D

Do you have a picture showing a complete side view, I can't tell if she is a Generation 3 or 4 hull. From the picture you posted and the rebuild date she has all the latest upgrades. Passive instead of IR sights, VSS-3 searchlight (Hence the mounting bracket) low IR heater exhaust, VDES air cleaners plus of course upgrade to RISE engine and electrics.
Joe D


I noticed all that also, but forgot to take a good close look at the hull sides. Hopefully one of the following photos will tell the story:

i41.photobucket.com/al...ntSide.jpg

i41.photobucket.com/al...ftSide.jpg

i41.photobucket.com/al...wheels.jpg

i41.photobucket.com/al...wheels.jpg

i41.photobucket.com/al...wheels.jpg

i41.photobucket.com/al...houtme.jpg

- Joe_D

If you look at Piney's M60 spotters guide it will show you where the serial and registration number is located on the front hull, which is different than the M60 because of the blade. I wasn't aware of that until Chris Hughes (Toadman) posted pictures of the CEV in Santa Rosa California. I believe this one is missing a digit, should have 6, yours is showing 5. But again these registrations can be wierd sometimes with some having 7 or 8. Never seen a 5 though, and this is a later style number starting with a "J".
Joe D


Now you tell me! I took a good look around the front slope and didn't notice any numbers.

Follow up report!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

P.S. Folks!
I have about 200+ photo of this vehicle which I am slowly replacing the file numbers with names so I will be able to remember what part of the vehicle I am looking at!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:31 pm
Post subject: Re: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico!

- Roy_A_Lingle
Hi Joe! Hi Folks!


- Joe_D

If you look at Piney's M60 spotters guide it will show you where the serial and registration number is located on the front hull, which is different than the M60 because of the blade. I wasn't aware of that until Chris Hughes (Toadman) posted pictures of the CEV in Santa Rosa California. I believe this one is missing a digit, should have 6, yours is showing 5. But again these registrations can be wierd sometimes with some having 7 or 8. Never seen a 5 though, and this is a later style number starting with a "J".
Joe D


Now you tell me! I took a good look around the front slope and didn't notice any numbers.

Follow up report!
Sgt, Scouts Out!



The spotters guide was posted in a prominant locatiion it was your responsibility as a respected CIA member to avail your self of the resource Rolling Eyes

Seriously it is worth printing off and keeping handy if you think you may wander across any member of the M60 family on your travels. Jeff spent a lot of time (with Joe_D's guidance) in putting it together for all of us

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:28 pm
Post subject: Re: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico!

Roy,

Here's a picture showing the location on the front slope. Much higher up than the tanks or AVLB's. It will have the SN and RN.

Larger image>ComCentral

Are you gonna use this baby for your 1/35 scale CEV project???


I've been hoping to take some good pictures here at Knox (Been here since Sunday night) but it's rained since:evil: . Freaking miserable weather!!! Wish I could send it Doug's way.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:44 am
Post subject: Re: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico!

- Joe_D


I've been hoping to take some good pictures here at Knox (Been here since Sunday night) but it's rained since:evil: . Freaking miserable weather!!!


Taken a couple of years ago....



M728 in Collection


I had a visit last thursday, from a 'collector' from Texas. He brought that bad Texas weather with him.....

Let's do the 'circuit' tomorrow. Meet at Richardson? (time ??? Anytime after 0800 is good with me....Let me know)

Anybody need anything...? detailed info or pics from Richardson MP?? Any specific vehicle pics???

Let me know

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:31 am
Post subject: Re: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico!

Dontos,

Sounds good to me, hopefully things will dry up. Plan on around 1300 at the earliest.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:03 am
Post subject: Re: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico!

Hi Joe! Hi Folks!

- Joe_D

Here's a picture showing the location on the front slope. Much higher up than the tanks or AVLB's. It will have the SN and RN.


Thanks Joe. I guess I should start making a list of things to do if I get time to make another trip to Santa Rosa.
1. Better pictures of the hull so the Gen can be nailed down.
2. Check the upper right slope for a reg. number.

- Joe_D

Are you gonna use this baby for your 1/35 scale CEV project???


I have placed a special order for a resin conversion kit. With the data and photos you have given me, this set of photos, and a few others I have downloaded over the years, I should get started. I am thinking I will try to make 2008, the year of Engineer type tanks. After all, who needs another Sherman?

- Joe_D

I've been hoping to take some good pictures here at Knox (Been here since Sunday night) but it's rained since:evil: . Freaking miserable weather!!! Wish I could send it Doug's way.


During my last year in the Marines, I was stationed at the El Toro MCAS in southern Orange County. I know what those dry Santa Anna winds can be like. Not good.

Take care and good luck Doug and all the Com-Central folks in the area!

Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:43 am
Post subject: Re: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico!

Roy,

Forgot to say, She's a Generation 4 hull, only 2 heavy lifting eyes per side. From what I can tell she has a later model chin armor turret too.


Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:35 pm
Post subject: Re: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico!

Hi Joe! Hi Folks!

- Joe_D

She's a Generation 4 hull, only 2 heavy lifting eyes per side. From what I can tell she has a later model chin armor turret too.


I may have forgotten to check for the hull generation type, but I did remember to look for later model chin armor!

i41.photobucket.com/al...nArmor.jpg

Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:22 pm
Post subject: Re: M-728 CEV Vehicle, Interstate 40, Santa Rosa, New Mexico!

Hi Bob! Hi Folks!

- bsmart

I just checked the TACOM list and it is listed but with a bogus serial number.


Hey Bob! Question, was that vehicle listed at Santa Rosa in

New Mexico OR California? Surprised Shocked Confused

If you check Toadman's posts, he has pictures of a vehicle that is at Santa Rosa, California. Confused

Interesting how two vehicles end up in two different towns by the same name.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum