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Managed to track down 6 Sherman Fireflies preserved in South Africa.

Based my research on the PDF document (Larkum & Marshall) listing all examples of WWII armour in South Africa.

Photographs to follow ASAP.

It is good to be back !

Best regards

TrevorLarkum

I look forward to seeing the photographs - and let us know if you can add any information too.

armyjunk2 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Sep 22, 2006 Posts: 1416

How rare is this? Are there complete vehicles anywhere?

jcneel

- armyjunk2

How rare is this? Are there complete vehicles anywhere?

That's a turret from an M10 Achillies (17pdr British version of the US Tank Destroyer). There's a complete vehicle at Fort Hood in Texas.

Does anyone know if they have started to move the museum pieces to their new base from Fort Hood or are they going to leave them there?

later

cn

TrevorLarkum

- armyjunk2

How rare is this? Are there complete vehicles anywhere?

Was the question about examples in South Africa? I'm not aware of any (there are no Achilles listed in Preserved Tanks in South Africa).

Dontos

- jcneel

- armyjunk2

How rare is this? Are there complete vehicles anywhere?

That's a turret from an M10 Achillies (17pdr British version of the US Tank Destroyer). There's a complete vehicle at Fort Hood in Texas.

Does anyone know if they have started to move the museum pieces to their new base from Fort Hood or are they going to leave them there?

later

cn

Jeff Buttons shouldbe able to answer that. A lot of the stuff at Hood is left over. Budgets are tight to move anything, so I'd bet most if not all stays in place, and is 'soaked' into the remaining units or organizations.

The core of 4th IDs vehicles are 2nd AD's 'stuff' from prior to 1992(ish) when 5th ID rolled into Hood then rolled over (redesignated) to 2 AD then Redesignated to 4th ID.

Thats when they committed the ultimate atrocity of repainting the 'checkerboard' tower sand,.... Many a tanker lost the best boresight panel on post.....

Don

armyjunk2 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Sep 22, 2006 Posts: 1416

I was just wondering if the M10 with the 17pd was rare, anymore survive other than the one at Hood?

grockwood · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 28, 2006 Posts: 9

There is/was an Achillies at the Bastogne muesum.

armyjunk2 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Sep 22, 2006 Posts: 1416

Thanks grockwood I googled it and here it is

Achillies

TrevorLarkum

I also have listings for two Achilles IIC, at Bovington and the Brussels Tank Museum.

Rikard_Hufschmied

There's one in Latrun, Israel:

And Ron & Rex Cadman had one restored by the "Salvage Squad":
The Salvage Squad M10 page

And there are 23(!) M10 Achilles in different states of preservation in Denmark:
M10 Achilles in Denmark page 1.
M10 Achilles in Denmark page 2.

jcneel

Here's a photo of the one from Fort Hood, 4th Inf Div Museum (at that time). Taken a few years back.

Note that this one has the earlier wedge shaped counterweights on the back of the turret as opposed to the later duckbill styled ones.

cn

Jim_Coles · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 56

Note that "Achilles" actually refers to any M10 in Brit service, following the practice of using "A" names for SP AT guns. The original turret was the Mk I and the duckbill turret was the Mk II. The 17pdr-armed variant was the Mk Ic and Mk IIc, using the same suffixes as the Shermans. The name was rarely used in reality, and the troops and most documents just called them "M-10" and "M-10 17pdr".

Jens_O_Mehner

- Jim_Coles

The name was rarely used in reality, and the troops and most documents just called them "M-10" and "M-10 17pdr".

The name also appears for the first time post-war, IIRC shortly before they were retired. Nice parallel to M10 "Wolverine" and M36 "Jackson", names completely unknown during the war and to the troops.

Jens O.

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