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clausb · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 25, 2006 Posts: 146

Came across a few seconds of footage showing what appears to be a 75mm M3 GMC in British service. I was under the impression that these were used only in North Africa and Italy, but this footage was made in Denmark in May 1945.

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Jared · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: 75mm M3 GMC

Didn't british armoured car regiments have them?

clausb · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 25, 2006 Posts: 146

- Jared

Didn't british armoured car regiments have them?

I had a look at Peter Browns articles on British Army armoured cars in NW Europe and apparently, there were a few 75mm M3 GMC with 21. AG in June 1944 and even fewer in December 1944. And even in June 1944, they were considered unfit for use. Still, at least one apparently made it all through the war Smile

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tankdriver · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: 75mm M3 GMC

I think that is a T48 halftrack. We made about 900 for the British, and they accepted about 260 I think . Rest were given to Russia and turned back into M3's.

Taranov · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: 75mm M3 GMC

No, it's M3 GMC. Shield is different, typical for M3 GMC.

Dontos · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: 75mm M3 GMC

Here is a rear shot of a restored 75mm that mounts in the M3 GMC for reference:

[IMG]http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f25/Donmor3/PTN%20Photos/75mmwmount.jpg?t=1195590959[/IMG]

EDIT: Here is the frontal view of the Restored 75mm:

Also a shot of the LST buildings M3 GMC :

M3 GMC w/ 75mm (Tank Destroyer)

Don

armyjunk2 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Sep 22, 2006 Posts: 1416

Russian SU-57 I believe is the right designation

Taranov · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: 75mm M3 GMC

Checking gun...

Dontos · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:34 am Post subject: Re: 75mm M3 GMC

- clausb

Came across a few seconds of footage showing what appears to be a 75mm M3 GMC in British service. I was under the impression that these were used only in North Africa and Italy, but this footage was made in Denmark in May 1945.

cbo

I believe that the two photos are quite different vehicles.....

Photo one:

This is not the same as the M3. Gun tube is longer and smaller than the 75mm.

Photo two:

Now this is the M3 GMC.

Don

clausb · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 25, 2006 Posts: 146

- Dontos

I believe that the two photos are quite different vehicles.....

Photo one:
This is not the same as the M3. Gun tube is longer and smaller than the 75mm.

Photo two:
Now this is the M3 GMC.

Could be Don, I have to take another look at the footage to see whether they are the same or different. Initially, I spotted only the first one and thought it was a T48 due to the barrel. The sequence with that vehicle is rather blurry (its private footage, handheld camera and 60 years old Smile

) and I think the barrel may look thinnner than it really was because of me fiddling with brightness and contrast, causing some of it to blend into the background. I'd tend to agree with Taranov though, the gun shield just don't look right for the T48, where the rear is sharply angled.

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J.McGillivray · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 149

I donâ€™t know about North West Europe, but the British did use the 75mm M3 GMC in Tunisia and Italy. Each squadron in the Armoured Car Regiments had a heavy troop equipped with some 75mm M3 GMC. The Canadians also received some in Italy which were used by the Royal Canadian Dragoons. Below is a photo of one of the RCDâ€™s SP guns.

David_Clark · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Mar 16, 2006 Posts: 36

M3 GMCs were used in the Heavy Troops of 11 Hussars and Royal Dragoons. The other Armoured Car Regts used AEC Mks III.

I have a book by an 11 Hussars officer who mentions the withdrawal of the M3s when the tubes wore out and no spares were available.

Regards

David

clausb · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 25, 2006 Posts: 146

- David_Clark

M3 GMCs were used in the Heavy Troops of 11 Hussars and Royal Dragoons. The other Armoured Car Regts used AEC Mks III.

I have a book by an 11 Hussars officer who mentions the withdrawal of the M3s when the tubes wore out and no spares were available.

Thanks David. The troops in the picture is allegedly Royal Dragoons in Denmark armound May 7th, so that would seem to fit.

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