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here you go Roy, I don't think these have been posted before, Kubinka


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Hi AJ! Hi Folks!

Super! What is with those service drive headlights? They look a bit larger that standard issue.

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Hi AJ! Hi Folks!

Super! What is with those service drive headlights? They look a bit larger that standard issue.

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Just a wild guess, but I think Russian depots are not exactly overflowing with US spare parts and they used parts on hand, "made in Rodina". Mr. Green



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Whats the first model?

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Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

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Whats the first model?


M-577 Battalion Command Post, Battalion Aid Station, Fire Direction Center for battalion mortars and artillery FOs attached to infantry and armor battalions. Possible more uses, those are the ones I have seen them put to.

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That 577 appears to be an early model with the welded top...didn't all the later ones have an integral top with no apparent weld mark?

Those M113's with ACAV kit's look awfully complete with their swim gear and rubber skirts intact, but seem to lack mine plate kits. Don't seem to be captured Vietnam equipment, not enough "bush damage". Wonder where these came from?
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Those M113's with ACAV kit's look awfully complete with their swim gear and rubber skirts intact, but seem to lack mine plate kits. Don't seem to be captured Vietnam equipment, not enough "bush damage". Wonder where these came from?


There is captured Viet Nam equipment and then there is captured Viet Nam equipment- could be ex-ARVN "donated" after the end of the war? There were also a sizeable number of ex-VNAF birds around for years.



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Those M113's with ACAV kit's look awfully complete with their swim gear and rubber skirts intact, but seem to lack mine plate kits. Don't seem to be captured Vietnam equipment, not enough "bush damage". Wonder where these came from?


There is captured Viet Nam equipment and then there is captured Viet Nam equipment- could be ex-ARVN "donated" after the end of the war? There were also a sizeable number of ex-VNAF birds around for years.



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They'd have to have "Palace Guard" type vehicles....those surf board, skirts and headlight guards are in beautiful condition to have ever ventured outside the wire. The absence of mine plates reinforces your suggestion that they weren't "field" vehicles or with U.S. units on ACR operations. Wink
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They might just have traded something with another museum for a couple new vehicles, food for thought. But I really don't have any idea.........maybe Taranov knows where they came from...
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Definitely early M577, or 'home made'.

I'd bank on RSVN but probably left behind stuff from ARVN.

Don't forget possible middle east aquisition via Syrian or Egypt. Never can tell.

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Hello all, good to see a Mortar track. That third picture is an M106, 4.2in mortar carrier. You can tell by the long round "hinge bar" for the rear hatch as well as the "bump stops" that catch and hold the hatches when in the open position. The only thing I cant really see in this picture is where the baseplate and trunion were mounted on the side on the track. Not to suprising however since many of ours were broken off by civilians driving them on to ships for shipment over seas. Seems they just assumed all versions were like M113's, with smooth sides and would break them off on other vehicles while parking them close together.
I also noticed that the front rubber skirt guard holder does not have the cutout area for placing your foot when climbing up the side. This same piece also has a sharp defined edge, where our pieces were rounded.
It also appears that the tracks shoes are missing the pads on the M106 model, where the M577 and M113 still have their pads. I'd like to see the rear of that M106 as well.

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I also noticed that the front rubber skirt guard holder does not have the cutout area for placing your foot when climbing up the side. This same piece also has a sharp defined edge, where our pieces were rounded.


I do not think they are original on the ACAV and the mortar track, but rather manufactured in the museum's shops- the M577 has the original ones, which are rounded.

The ACAV also does not have M60s in back, but what looks like M1919 cal .30 Brownings- plenty of those in ARVN stocks.

I have a feeling that if they came via Syria and Egypt, they would be a lot more damaged, the IDF did not lose much equipment to their opponents as opposed to vice versa.
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That third picture is an M106, 4.2in mortar carrier.


More than likely a M125, 81MM track. There are no mounts on the side for the bridge and baseplate, nor the holes had the mounts been taken off.
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The left side of the .50 calibre gun shield appears to have taken some significant damage on the M113 ACAV. Perhaps the shields have been fitted to an otherwise unused vehicle?

The M125's left track seems rather loose, too.

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