±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 184
Total: 184
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Home
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Member Screenshots
12: Community Forums
13: Photo Gallery
14: Photo Gallery
15: Home
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Home
19: Downloads
20: Home
21: Home
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Home
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Home
28: Home
29: Home
30: Home
31: Home
32: Community Forums
33: Member Screenshots
34: Home
35: Community Forums
36: Home
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Home
41: News
42: Community Forums
43: Home
44: Home
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Home
48: Member Screenshots
49: Home
50: Home
51: Home
52: Downloads
53: Home
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Home
57: Home
58: Home
59: Community Forums
60: News Archive
61: Home
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Home
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Your Account
68: Community Forums
69: Home
70: Home
71: Photo Gallery
72: Community Forums
73: Home
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Photo Gallery
78: Home
79: Member Screenshots
80: Home
81: Home
82: News Archive
83: Home
84: Home
85: Home
86: Community Forums
87: Home
88: Community Forums
89: Home
90: Member Screenshots
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Home
94: Home
95: Home
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Home
99: Community Forums
100: Home
101: Home
102: Downloads
103: Home
104: Home
105: Community Forums
106: News Archive
107: Your Account
108: Home
109: Home
110: Home
111: Home
112: Home
113: Home
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Home
117: Community Forums
118: Home
119: Home
120: Home
121: Home
122: Home
123: Community Forums
124: Home
125: Photo Gallery
126: Member Screenshots
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Home
131: Home
132: Home
133: Downloads
134: Home
135: Community Forums
136: Home
137: Home
138: Community Forums
139: Home
140: Home
141: Community Forums
142: Statistics
143: Home
144: Community Forums
145: Home
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Home
149: Home
150: Home
151: Home
152: Home
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Home
156: Home
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Member Screenshots
161: Community Forums
162: Photo Gallery
163: Photo Gallery
164: Home
165: Home
166: Home
167: Community Forums
168: Member Screenshots
169: Home
170: Home
171: Home
172: Community Forums
173: Member Screenshots
174: Home
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Home
180: News Archive
181: Member Screenshots
182: Home
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Panzer salvage in Bulgaria
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 458
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:43 am
Post subject: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

There's been quite a fuzz over this on many other armor forums. So I thought it was about time I introduced it here with assorted images and links Smile

A Jagdpanzer IV, tracks were cut of during salvage, it still has the gearbox in place:







Link to more interior shots:

Jagdpanzer IV interior.

2 StuG's and at least 3 Panzer IV's. The vehicle in the foreground is a Panzer IV rearmed with a SU-76 ZIS-3 gun in an open top turret:



This is the first I've seen and heard of this variation, intriguing!





Check out many, many, many more pictures at the links provided at this thread over at Wehrmacht Awards:

Bulgarian Panzer Salvage Thread

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
fitzday
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
Posts: 29

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:31 am
Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

In the 4th pic with the rearmed PzIV, can anyone make out what the far 2 vehicles are behind the 3 PzIVs. Could possibly be 3 vehicles but I can't tell for sure. I know there are also some T34/85 turrets from this same defense instillation that the panzers are from but I'm not aware of any of them being salvaged yet.
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:27 am
Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

Maybe this could be a reply to your question :

This is a rough list I was able to do by comparing the different photos we can find on the web (post edited with new information) :

There are 2 StuG IIIs bottom hulls, of which many running gear parts could be salvaged to restore other wrecks. I don't know if these wrecks will be recovered.
StuG hull n°1
StuG hull n°2
There are also 6 Panzer IV bottom hull and there are also some interesting spare parts on these, but I also don't know if they will be recovered..
hull 1
hull 2
hull 3
hull 4
hull 5
hull 6

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates


Last edited by the_shadock on Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:03 pm; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 458
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:48 am
Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

It looks like there are 2 (two) Pz IV turrets modified for the ZIS-3 gun, the first and second image don't really match.

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:30 am
Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

Yes, you are right, I was also thinking that these are 2 different ones.

More links (post edited for additions and corrections) :
Pz IV n°1 (recovered and stored on a military base)
Pz IV n°2 (recovered and stored on a military base)
Pz IV n°3 (recovered and stored on a military base)
Pz IV n°4 (MG)
Pz IV n°5 (MG)
Pz IV n°6 (MG)
Pz IV n°7 (MG)
Pz IV n°8 (MG)
Pz IV n°9 (MG)
Pz IV n°10 (MG)
Pz IV n° 11 to 17 (recovered)
Pz IV n° 18 (w/o gun)
Pz IV with ZiS n°1
Pz IV with ZiS n°2 (recovered and stored on a military base)

possibly a Panzer IV turret
another Panzer IV turret
I don't know if the hulls are buried with these 2 turrets..

StuG n°1
StuG n°2
StuG n°3 (recovered and stored on a military base)
StuG n°4 (recovered and stored on a military base)
StuG n°5 (recovered)
StuG n°6 (this time a real different one !!)
StuG n°7 (w/o gun)

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates


Last edited by the_shadock on Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:06 pm; edited 7 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
fitzday
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
Posts: 29

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

Is that list including the 2 turrets which looks to be from pz IVs that are almost totally buried and missing their main gun.

www.airgroup2000.com/f...6&start=75

www.scalemodels-bg.com...&start=255

There's also pics of the 2 pzI turrets at the front of this thread. It also has pics of the t34/85 turret emplacements.

www.scalemodels-bg.com...&start=315
Back to top
View user's profile
clausb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 146

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

- fitzday
There's also pics of the 2 pzI turrets at the front of this thread. It also has pics of the t34/85 turret emplacements.

www.scalemodels-bg.com...;start=315


If it is the turret(s) on page 1, then I'm pretty sure they are from Denmark. If you look at the fauna, it is completely different from the other tanks and looks a lot like the type of grass found in dunes near the coast.

cbo
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

(Going to a Bulgarian supermarket and asking to a seller)

"Well, I would like to get a dozen of Panzer IV, please"



I think it is useless now to do a precise list.. there are too many of them !!!

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
fitzday
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
Posts: 29

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:53 pm
Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

Definately more than any of the previous pictures in the other forums would lead you to believe. OUTSTANDING!! Now can we just hope for the odd panther or two to turn up.
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

for these who haven't seen, the 2 rough lists with links I made in this topic were updated. Now I count at least 20 different Panzer IV + 2 possible turrets and 7 different StuG. Everyday, new pictures of tanks from the Bulgarian defense line are posted on a bulgarian forum, and everyday new tanks show up. That's really incredible !!

I think that we'll never see such a photo with 7 Panzer IV side by side !! (unless all the tanks are gathered if they are put for sale, which would most likely make the biggest German WW2 tanks gathering since years !!)

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria



On this picture I count 16 different vehicles, including most probably the 7 Panzer IV seen in a field.. maybe the biggest Panzer gathering since a while!!

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
fitzday
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
Posts: 29

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

I counted 17 when i zoomed in in paintshop. You can just barely see the top of one behind the roof at the top of the storage lot. I believe thats also a t34 turret behind the jagdpanzer IV. Got to wonder how many more are hidden from view.
Back to top
View user's profile
A2_Prius
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 27, 2006
Posts: 112

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

What a lineup! Makes me wonder whether a panzer kompanie simply abandoned its vehicles during a retreat. Is there any chance of unit identification being found on the hulks?

- the_shadock
(Going to a Bulgarian supermarket and asking to a seller)

"Well, I would like to get a dozen of Panzer IV, please"



I think it is useless now to do a precise list.. there are too many of them !!!

P-O
Back to top
View user's profile
fitzday
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
Posts: 29

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

Correct me if i'm wrong, Shadock. These panzers were transfered to the Bulgarian army after the war by the Soviets from stocks of captured panzers. They were used until they could be replaced by Soviet manufactured tanks. They were then dug in on the Bulgarian/Turkish border as improvised pillboxes.
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:02 pm
Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

- A2_Prius
What a lineup! Makes me wonder whether a panzer kompanie simply abandoned its vehicles during a retreat. Is there any chance of unit identification being found on the hulks?


Well, some serial numbers/identification plates and markings were found inside the tank and photographed by "Valko-BG".
Check thids page and you'll see what I mean. There are several other photos with plates and SNs on this particular thread..

http://www.scalemodels-bg.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=136&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=345&sid=fa79b6c7ead40f56f25e3919f739145f





From these plates you should find a unit.. this was done with the 3 Panzer IIIs from Bardufoss.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum