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Panzer salvage in Bulgaria
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:43 am
Post subject: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

There's been quite a fuzz over this on many other armor forums. So I thought it was about time I introduced it here with assorted images and links Smile

A Jagdpanzer IV, tracks were cut of during salvage, it still has the gearbox in place:







Link to more interior shots:

Jagdpanzer IV interior.

2 StuG's and at least 3 Panzer IV's. The vehicle in the foreground is a Panzer IV rearmed with a SU-76 ZIS-3 gun in an open top turret:



This is the first I've seen and heard of this variation, intriguing!





Check out many, many, many more pictures at the links provided at this thread over at Wehrmacht Awards:

Bulgarian Panzer Salvage Thread

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:31 am
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In the 4th pic with the rearmed PzIV, can anyone make out what the far 2 vehicles are behind the 3 PzIVs. Could possibly be 3 vehicles but I can't tell for sure. I know there are also some T34/85 turrets from this same defense instillation that the panzers are from but I'm not aware of any of them being salvaged yet.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:27 am
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Maybe this could be a reply to your question :

This is a rough list I was able to do by comparing the different photos we can find on the web (post edited with new information) :

There are 2 StuG IIIs bottom hulls, of which many running gear parts could be salvaged to restore other wrecks. I don't know if these wrecks will be recovered.
StuG hull n°1
StuG hull n°2
There are also 6 Panzer IV bottom hull and there are also some interesting spare parts on these, but I also don't know if they will be recovered..
hull 1
hull 2
hull 3
hull 4
hull 5
hull 6

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:48 am
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It looks like there are 2 (two) Pz IV turrets modified for the ZIS-3 gun, the first and second image don't really match.

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Yes, you are right, I was also thinking that these are 2 different ones.

More links (post edited for additions and corrections) :
Pz IV n°1 (recovered and stored on a military base)
Pz IV n°2 (recovered and stored on a military base)
Pz IV n°3 (recovered and stored on a military base)
Pz IV n°4 (MG)
Pz IV n°5 (MG)
Pz IV n°6 (MG)
Pz IV n°7 (MG)
Pz IV n°8 (MG)
Pz IV n°9 (MG)
Pz IV n°10 (MG)
Pz IV n° 11 to 17 (recovered)
Pz IV n° 18 (w/o gun)
Pz IV with ZiS n°1
Pz IV with ZiS n°2 (recovered and stored on a military base)

possibly a Panzer IV turret
another Panzer IV turret
I don't know if the hulls are buried with these 2 turrets..

StuG n°1
StuG n°2
StuG n°3 (recovered and stored on a military base)
StuG n°4 (recovered and stored on a military base)
StuG n°5 (recovered)
StuG n°6 (this time a real different one !!)
StuG n°7 (w/o gun)

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:20 pm
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Is that list including the 2 turrets which looks to be from pz IVs that are almost totally buried and missing their main gun.

www.airgroup2000.com/f...6&start=75

www.scalemodels-bg.com...&start=255

There's also pics of the 2 pzI turrets at the front of this thread. It also has pics of the t34/85 turret emplacements.

www.scalemodels-bg.com...&start=315
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:41 pm
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- fitzday
There's also pics of the 2 pzI turrets at the front of this thread. It also has pics of the t34/85 turret emplacements.

www.scalemodels-bg.com...;start=315


If it is the turret(s) on page 1, then I'm pretty sure they are from Denmark. If you look at the fauna, it is completely different from the other tanks and looks a lot like the type of grass found in dunes near the coast.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:15 pm
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(Going to a Bulgarian supermarket and asking to a seller)

"Well, I would like to get a dozen of Panzer IV, please"



I think it is useless now to do a precise list.. there are too many of them !!!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:53 pm
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Definately more than any of the previous pictures in the other forums would lead you to believe. OUTSTANDING!! Now can we just hope for the odd panther or two to turn up.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:11 pm
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for these who haven't seen, the 2 rough lists with links I made in this topic were updated. Now I count at least 20 different Panzer IV + 2 possible turrets and 7 different StuG. Everyday, new pictures of tanks from the Bulgarian defense line are posted on a bulgarian forum, and everyday new tanks show up. That's really incredible !!

I think that we'll never see such a photo with 7 Panzer IV side by side !! (unless all the tanks are gathered if they are put for sale, which would most likely make the biggest German WW2 tanks gathering since years !!)

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On this picture I count 16 different vehicles, including most probably the 7 Panzer IV seen in a field.. maybe the biggest Panzer gathering since a while!!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:22 pm
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I counted 17 when i zoomed in in paintshop. You can just barely see the top of one behind the roof at the top of the storage lot. I believe thats also a t34 turret behind the jagdpanzer IV. Got to wonder how many more are hidden from view.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:41 pm
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What a lineup! Makes me wonder whether a panzer kompanie simply abandoned its vehicles during a retreat. Is there any chance of unit identification being found on the hulks?

- the_shadock
(Going to a Bulgarian supermarket and asking to a seller)

"Well, I would like to get a dozen of Panzer IV, please"



I think it is useless now to do a precise list.. there are too many of them !!!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:04 pm
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Correct me if i'm wrong, Shadock. These panzers were transfered to the Bulgarian army after the war by the Soviets from stocks of captured panzers. They were used until they could be replaced by Soviet manufactured tanks. They were then dug in on the Bulgarian/Turkish border as improvised pillboxes.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:02 pm
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What a lineup! Makes me wonder whether a panzer kompanie simply abandoned its vehicles during a retreat. Is there any chance of unit identification being found on the hulks?


Well, some serial numbers/identification plates and markings were found inside the tank and photographed by "Valko-BG".
Check thids page and you'll see what I mean. There are several other photos with plates and SNs on this particular thread..

http://www.scalemodels-bg.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=136&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=345&sid=fa79b6c7ead40f56f25e3919f739145f





From these plates you should find a unit.. this was done with the 3 Panzer IIIs from Bardufoss.

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