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Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...
Interesting article I ran across on the Bovington tank museum site that calls into question the identity of all supposed "M13/40s" at Bovington, APG & in Canada... www.tankmuseum.co.uk/c..._0901.html Neil

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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...

Well, interesting readings..

The difference between the M-13/40 and the M-14/41 seems to be quite thin, but the difference btw the M-14/41 and the M-15/42 is bigger (the M-14/41 having not the door on the same side than the M-15/42).

According to wwiivehicles.com website, the differences between M-13/40 and M-14/41 are :

"M14/41:

Improved the air and fuel filters and installed a more powerful diesel engine.

Had transversal radiator outlet grills, mud clearing blades at the drive sprockets, and longer fenders.
Supports for 5.3 gallon (20 liter) cans were added. "

http://www.wwiivehicles.com/italy/tanks-medium/m13-40-m14-41.asp

Maybe someone has more info to confirm?

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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...
for what it's worth, don't know for sure about the other features but neither the presumed M13 or the semovente 75 at Aberdeen have the mud cleaners but the semovente 90 there does have them. some photos here may be of help s40.photobucket.com/al...0at%20APG/ Jeff "Piney" Lewis

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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...
In fact, only in APG preserved M13/40. In Bovington M14/41.

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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...
- Taranov In fact, only in APG preserved M13/40. In Bovington M14/41. And for the tanks in Canada? -Canadian Forces Base, Borden (Canada), listed as M13/40 -Canadian Forces Base, Wainwright (Canada), listed as M13/40 too Are they M14/41? P-O _________________ soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates

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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: Canadian M13/40s or M14/41s?
The Borden Tank needs positive confirmation as an M13/40 but the Wainwright example is a M14/41 though the sign says otherwise. FWIW Bruce

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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...
CFB Borden: M14/41, serial number RE 3410

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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...
thanks ! P-O _________________ soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates

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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...
Tom Jentz identified the Bovington tank as an M14/41, I think from its serial number. Cheers John _________________ Cheers John

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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Borden Italian tank - M13/40 or M14/41?
- BruceClark The Borden Tank needs positive confirmation as an M13/40 but the Wainwright example is a M14/41 though the sign says otherwise. FWIW Bruce Try this for photo ID ... Not my strong suit by a long shot, but I know how to save internet links: ipmswinnipeg.1afm.com/...p%2003.jpg

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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Wainwright Italian M13/40 or M14/41?
- BruceClark The Borden Tank needs positive confirmation as an M13/40 but the Wainwright example is a M14/41 though the sign says otherwise. FWIW Bruce Here is the other link required: ipmswinnipeg.1afm.com/...p%2096.jpg

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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...

The Italian tank at Borden was confirmed to be an M13/40, a friend of mine explained me why :

There are 2 rivets up and down the hull MG armored cover; the direction of the rods of the engine plate and the fact that there are no mudguards on the sprocket confirm this is an M13/40..(sorry for my inaccurate terms..)

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