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MarkHolloway · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: MRAP's in the News

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A2_Prius · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 27, 2006 Posts: 112

How will adding 5K of armor to an MRAP degrade its performance? Won't it increase the potential of the vehicle's tipping over?

MarkHolloway · Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Additional MRAP armor

- A2_Prius

How will adding 5K of armor to an MRAP degrade its performance? Won't it increase the potential of the vehicle's tipping over?

Yes it will. And it won't go as fast, can't carry as much cargo and get worse mileage.

LeeW · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 26, 2006 Posts: 61

Also increases wear and decreases reliability but not sure at all how much. Probably varies quite a bit between vehicle types and uses.

Maple_Leaf_Eh · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 517

The MRAP is a heavy short wheelbase truck that is carrying a heavy armoured shell already. It would seem shortsighted for the designers not to have left some capacity for upgrades in their specifications.

The nature of the IED war seems to be evolving quickly. When the good guys find a way to defeat the insurgents' weapons of choice, six months later a new variant or type will appear. The Explosive Formed Penetrator is a more sophisticated device than a car loaded to the spring stops with leftover artillery warheads and a few sticks of C4. We can only hope the bad guys have fewer EFP charges than old 155 projectiles.

68Barracuda · Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: MRAP's in the News

- Maple_Leaf_Eh

We can only hope the bad guys have fewer EFP charges than old 155 projectiles.

As soon as we figure out how to defeat the latest EFP, the Iranians will come up with a revised version....then we will....then they will....then we will....see a pattern here?

Iran and Syria need to be taken out of the picture...then the EFP's will dry up. But that ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

JimWeb · Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: MRAP's in the News

The EFP plates are made quite easily in a machine shop. A recent british raid bagged nearly 100 of them - all locally produced. Nice picture in Soldier magazine IIRC.

Joe_D · Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: Re: MRAP's in the News

It's the triggering and concealment that changes all the time. Countermeasures are only good until they learn what we are using (usually by very poor OPSEC on our behalf).

BTW, Guess who taught this part of the world how to make them in the early 80's to use against the Russians ???

Joe D

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