±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 339
Total: 339
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Photo Gallery
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Photo Gallery
08: Statistics
09: Community Forums
10: Photo Gallery
11: Photo Gallery
12: Photo Gallery
13: News Archive
14: Downloads
15: Photo Gallery
16: Member Screenshots
17: Photo Gallery
18: News
19: Photo Gallery
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Member Screenshots
23: Downloads
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Home
27: Photo Gallery
28: Downloads
29: Photo Gallery
30: Home
31: Statistics
32: Member Screenshots
33: Home
34: Community Forums
35: Home
36: Community Forums
37: Your Account
38: Home
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Photo Gallery
43: Photo Gallery
44: Community Forums
45: Photo Gallery
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Photo Gallery
49: Home
50: Downloads
51: Downloads
52: Home
53: Downloads
54: Photo Gallery
55: Community Forums
56: Photo Gallery
57: Member Screenshots
58: Community Forums
59: Photo Gallery
60: Member Screenshots
61: Downloads
62: Your Account
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Photo Gallery
66: Your Account
67: Photo Gallery
68: Community Forums
69: Home
70: Community Forums
71: Home
72: Photo Gallery
73: Downloads
74: Community Forums
75: Downloads
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Downloads
80: Community Forums
81: Photo Gallery
82: Home
83: Community Forums
84: Photo Gallery
85: Your Account
86: Downloads
87: Community Forums
88: Home
89: Photo Gallery
90: Photo Gallery
91: Community Forums
92: News Archive
93: Community Forums
94: Your Account
95: Photo Gallery
96: Downloads
97: Home
98: Home
99: Photo Gallery
100: Community Forums
101: Home
102: Photo Gallery
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Home
107: Member Screenshots
108: Home
109: Home
110: Community Forums
111: Photo Gallery
112: Community Forums
113: Photo Gallery
114: Community Forums
115: Photo Gallery
116: Community Forums
117: Home
118: Downloads
119: Your Account
120: Home
121: Home
122: Community Forums
123: Photo Gallery
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Home
127: Community Forums
128: Member Screenshots
129: Photo Gallery
130: Community Forums
131: Photo Gallery
132: Community Forums
133: News Archive
134: Photo Gallery
135: Home
136: Community Forums
137: Member Screenshots
138: News Archive
139: Home
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Downloads
143: Photo Gallery
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Photo Gallery
147: Community Forums
148: Photo Gallery
149: Community Forums
150: Member Screenshots
151: Community Forums
152: Statistics
153: Community Forums
154: News
155: Home
156: Downloads
157: Community Forums
158: Downloads
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Home
163: Home
164: Home
165: Photo Gallery
166: Home
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: News Archive
171: Member Screenshots
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Home
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Member Screenshots
178: Home
179: Home
180: Community Forums
181: Member Screenshots
182: Home
183: Home
184: Home
185: Community Forums
186: Home
187: Home
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: News Archive
192: Member Screenshots
193: Home
194: Community Forums
195: Home
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Home
201: Community Forums
202: Home
203: Home
204: Community Forums
205: Member Screenshots
206: Downloads
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Home
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Home
216: Home
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Member Screenshots
220: Home
221: Downloads
222: Home
223: Home
224: Downloads
225: Member Screenshots
226: Home
227: Home
228: Downloads
229: Home
230: Downloads
231: Member Screenshots
232: Community Forums
233: Home
234: Home
235: Community Forums
236: Photo Gallery
237: Member Screenshots
238: Home
239: Home
240: Community Forums
241: Member Screenshots
242: Home
243: Home
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Your Account
247: Home
248: Member Screenshots
249: Downloads
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Member Screenshots
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Member Screenshots
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Search
261: Member Screenshots
262: Photo Gallery
263: Home
264: Home
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Statistics
271: Community Forums
272: Member Screenshots
273: Home
274: Home
275: Home
276: Community Forums
277: Photo Gallery
278: Home
279: Home
280: Home
281: Member Screenshots
282: Home
283: Member Screenshots
284: Community Forums
285: Downloads
286: Member Screenshots
287: Photo Gallery
288: Photo Gallery
289: Photo Gallery
290: Home
291: Home
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Home
295: Community Forums
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Member Screenshots
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Home
305: Statistics
306: Community Forums
307: Home
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Photo Gallery
312: Member Screenshots
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Photo Gallery
316: Community Forums
317: Photo Gallery
318: Member Screenshots
319: Community Forums
320: Member Screenshots
321: Home
322: Photo Gallery
323: Home
324: Home
325: Home
326: Your Account
327: Home
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Home
334: Photo Gallery
335: Photo Gallery
336: Downloads
337: Downloads
338: Home
339: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

Too bad they couldn't have somehow made them 'legal' for the sake of the museum. Twisted Evil

I think I'll start referring to Boatwright as the 'Ropkey Annex'.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

- Garry_Redmon
All came from the Ropkey Museum in Indiana. Apparently they weren't supposed to be there . . . legally. There are no plans right now to do anything with them since there isn't any better storage at Richardson. They'll probably eventually go to Benning as well.


Rumours persist of some more seizures pending from private collections/museums....

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2068
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

Yep,

And don't even think all will go to Knox when confiscated. I'm sure this was a practical location being it's relatively close by and a Federal installation. Won't be too long before some of the stuff in front of closed VFW/ALP Posts show up unless the local Government is willing to sign for them.

Roy,

Makes me wonder about a certain vehicle's fate right now. Especially the current status She's in.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:42 pm
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

I was a little surprised to see these particular items confiscated since TACOM had them (along with an M114 & M56 Scorpion, but oddly no howitzer) listed as having been officially donated to Ropkey... I almost wonder if these items were recovered "in spite" over the more muddled legal status of the M1917... I've e-mailed my M1917 contact to see what he may know...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2068
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:24 am
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

Neil,

Unless it's self propelled, M110, M109, M53 etc, TACOM is not responsible for them. Guns without motors don't fall under "Tank or Automotive" , not even sure if they are tracked by anyone once disposed of once they are de-milled.

Wonder if your right on that "Spite" issue. Will be real interesting how this works out and the precedence it sets.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:44 am
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

Joe,
Actually... In this particular case, TACOM has responsibility for all US Army donated items - right down to M1 Garand rifles. They're all in the TACOM Central Registry of donated items...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2068
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

I guess it makes sense to one agency in charge of everything donated.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:32 pm
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

Most people don't usually ask for their donations back later! That sounds like a loan, which isn't a donation.

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

I believ technically they were loans. The U.S. Government very often would supply equipment to various municipal and state organizations but it is all technically as a loan with the U.S. Government retaining title. I know the Maryland State Police used to have a LARC (I think it was a LARC and not a BARC) at one of the Barracks near the Chesepeake bay that they would use for flood recues. The Frederick County Sherrif had an M20 armored car that when they went to dispose of found out they didn't own it, that it was still owned by the U.S. Army. It is now at Aberdeen awaiting refurb (I've been told it is slated to go to the planned Museum of the U.S. Army)

I think over the years some caretakers of loaned equipment forgot that it was only a loan and when they no longer wanted it disposed of it as they saw fit. In some cases I believe it was all done in good faith, in others I'm not so sure. Then there were people or groups that acquired 'surplus' equipment through other means, some legitimatly, that are now caught up in a 'We may have sold it to you but we shouldn't have and now we are taking it back if you can't prove you bought it legally in the first place (and sometimes even if you can)'

just my views of a messy situation

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

Right, they are loans, even if it is called the US Army Donation Program or some such... The distinction is that its always owned by the US Government, even if it has been "donated"/loaned...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
binder001
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 363

PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

- Neil_Baumgardner
Joe, Actually... In this particular case, TACOM has responsibility for all US Army donated items - right down to M1 Garand rifles. They're all in the TACOM Central Registry of donated items... Neil


That's interesting. I thought the "central agency" responsible was the Center for Military History. I was told once that CMH is the technical owner of all the stuff in parks, museums and VFWs. I'm sure that responsibility changes periodically, after all, it's the government! The funny kicker is that the CMH really doesn't know all the stuff that's out there. We've seen the corrections and errors in comparing the TACOM information versus our scouting of the real stuff. For years the Army just didn't really care where their tanks and cannons went. The Navy, on the other hand, have always been real pains about "everything we ever had is still ours". As soon as anyone recovers a wrecked Navy aircraft they are soon visited and the aircraft or wreckage is confiscate, even in the USN has no plans for it.

I hadn't hed about a disagreement between the Ropkey Museum and the Army. That's too bad.

Gary
Back to top
View user's profile
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:31 am
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

- bsmart
I believ technically they were loans. The U.S. Government very often would supply equipment to various municipal and state organizations but it is all technically as a loan with the U.S. Government retaining title. I know the Maryland State Police used to have a LARC (I think it was a LARC and not a BARC) at one of the Barracks near the Chesepeake bay that they would use for flood recues. The Frederick County Sherrif had an M20 armored car that when they went to dispose of found out they didn't own it, that it was still owned by the U.S. Army. It is now at Aberdeen awaiting refurb (I've been told it is slated to go to the planned Museum of the U.S. Army)

I think over the years some caretakers of loaned equipment forgot that it was only a loan and when they no longer wanted it disposed of it as they saw fit. In some cases I believe it was all done in good faith, in others I'm not so sure. Then there were people or groups that acquired 'surplus' equipment through other means, some legitimatly, that are now caught up in a 'We may have sold it to you but we shouldn't have and now we are taking it back if you can't prove you bought it legally in the first place (and sometimes even if you can)'

just my views of a messy situation


Understood. Not a nice situation to be stuck in the middle of. I don't think we have a similar situation here - the Army just doesn't give stuff away, but regularly sells it off in big auctions. It's a tender system so you can sometimes get good prices (£3k for a Chieftain, etc.).

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Geoff_walden
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 26, 2006
Posts: 133

PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

These ex-Ropkey vehicles have been moved to storage at Richardson Tank Park. Perhaps a museum volunteer can provide more info. Some of the folks at Richardson can get a little bent out of shape when they see someone they don't know walk in there.

Geoff Walden
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

- Geoff_walden
These ex-Ropkey vehicles have been moved to storage at Richardson Tank Park. Perhaps a museum volunteer can provide more info. Some of the folks at Richardson can get a little bent out of shape when they see someone they don't know walk in there.

Geoff Walden


Mr. Green
Cool

There is a 'workday' tomorrow. I have unfortunately gone MIA for the past several events/work days, I am committed to putting in some hours tomorrow. Gotta try to sort out some data conflicts, collect some RN & SN info, snap some pics(here & there) to actually update my 'Armored Ghosts' webpages, AND See what events & activities are in the works, for the remainder of the year.

Stay tuned,..... Wink
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Seen at Boatwright, Fort Knox

Geoff,

I have used your photo's from the start of this thread here:

Unique ID 1326: Ropkey/Fort Knox M47

Unique ID 1327: Ropkey/Fort Knox/Benning M42

Let me know if it's a problem. (Also sent by PM as Geoff hasn't been on the forum for a few months).

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum