±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 398
Total: 398
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Home
04: Community Forums
05: Member Screenshots
06: Downloads
07: Home
08: Home
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Home
12: Home
13: Home
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Downloads
17: Downloads
18: Member Screenshots
19: Home
20: Home
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Photo Gallery
24: Member Screenshots
25: Statistics
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Home
29: Home
30: Home
31: Photo Gallery
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Downloads
35: News Archive
36: Member Screenshots
37: Statistics
38: News Archive
39: Photo Gallery
40: Home
41: Community Forums
42: Photo Gallery
43: Member Screenshots
44: Photo Gallery
45: Community Forums
46: Member Screenshots
47: Community Forums
48: Member Screenshots
49: Downloads
50: Downloads
51: Photo Gallery
52: Downloads
53: Community Forums
54: Photo Gallery
55: Member Screenshots
56: Community Forums
57: Photo Gallery
58: Member Screenshots
59: Downloads
60: Member Screenshots
61: Downloads
62: Community Forums
63: Downloads
64: Your Account
65: Photo Gallery
66: Community Forums
67: Home
68: Home
69: Home
70: Home
71: News
72: Member Screenshots
73: Community Forums
74: Member Screenshots
75: Photo Gallery
76: Home
77: News
78: Home
79: Community Forums
80: Photo Gallery
81: Member Screenshots
82: Member Screenshots
83: Member Screenshots
84: Statistics
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Member Screenshots
88: Community Forums
89: Home
90: News Archive
91: Member Screenshots
92: Community Forums
93: Home
94: Downloads
95: Home
96: Community Forums
97: Member Screenshots
98: Community Forums
99: Member Screenshots
100: Home
101: Member Screenshots
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Home
105: Community Forums
106: Member Screenshots
107: Member Screenshots
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Home
111: Home
112: Home
113: News Archive
114: Member Screenshots
115: Member Screenshots
116: Member Screenshots
117: Home
118: Home
119: Home
120: Home
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Statistics
124: Home
125: Photo Gallery
126: Community Forums
127: Member Screenshots
128: Member Screenshots
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Home
132: Downloads
133: Home
134: Home
135: Home
136: News Archive
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Home
140: Home
141: Photo Gallery
142: Downloads
143: Member Screenshots
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Home
147: Home
148: Home
149: Member Screenshots
150: Member Screenshots
151: Community Forums
152: News Archive
153: Community Forums
154: Home
155: Community Forums
156: Member Screenshots
157: Community Forums
158: Member Screenshots
159: Home
160: Photo Gallery
161: Community Forums
162: Member Screenshots
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Member Screenshots
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Downloads
169: Photo Gallery
170: Home
171: Community Forums
172: Downloads
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Home
177: Photo Gallery
178: Member Screenshots
179: Downloads
180: Photo Gallery
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Member Screenshots
185: Community Forums
186: Member Screenshots
187: Home
188: Member Screenshots
189: Home
190: Member Screenshots
191: Member Screenshots
192: Downloads
193: Community Forums
194: Downloads
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Photo Gallery
199: Community Forums
200: Member Screenshots
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Member Screenshots
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Downloads
213: Community Forums
214: Photo Gallery
215: Home
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Member Screenshots
223: Home
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Home
227: Home
228: Photo Gallery
229: Community Forums
230: News Archive
231: Photo Gallery
232: Home
233: Home
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Home
240: News Archive
241: Community Forums
242: Home
243: Community Forums
244: Member Screenshots
245: Member Screenshots
246: Community Forums
247: News Archive
248: Community Forums
249: News Archive
250: News
251: Member Screenshots
252: News
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Home
256: Community Forums
257: Member Screenshots
258: Community Forums
259: Downloads
260: Member Screenshots
261: Member Screenshots
262: Photo Gallery
263: Home
264: Home
265: News Archive
266: Member Screenshots
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Member Screenshots
270: Member Screenshots
271: Community Forums
272: Home
273: Member Screenshots
274: Community Forums
275: Photo Gallery
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Member Screenshots
279: Member Screenshots
280: Home
281: Home
282: Home
283: Member Screenshots
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Home
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Downloads
293: Community Forums
294: Photo Gallery
295: Community Forums
296: Member Screenshots
297: Member Screenshots
298: Home
299: Photo Gallery
300: Community Forums
301: Home
302: Community Forums
303: Home
304: Downloads
305: Home
306: Photo Gallery
307: LinkToUs
308: News Archive
309: Member Screenshots
310: Community Forums
311: Home
312: Photo Gallery
313: News Archive
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Photo Gallery
317: Home
318: Home
319: Home
320: Home
321: Home
322: Home
323: Home
324: Home
325: Home
326: Community Forums
327: Member Screenshots
328: News Archive
329: Photo Gallery
330: Community Forums
331: Member Screenshots
332: Member Screenshots
333: Community Forums
334: News Archive
335: Community Forums
336: Member Screenshots
337: Photo Gallery
338: Community Forums
339: Home
340: Home
341: Member Screenshots
342: Community Forums
343: News Archive
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Downloads
348: Home
349: Home
350: Home
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Member Screenshots
354: Community Forums
355: Photo Gallery
356: Photo Gallery
357: Community Forums
358: Statistics
359: Downloads
360: Statistics
361: Tell a Friend
362: Member Screenshots
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Photo Gallery
367: Member Screenshots
368: Home
369: Home
370: Community Forums
371: News Archive
372: Community Forums
373: Downloads
374: Community Forums
375: Home
376: Community Forums
377: Home
378: Community Forums
379: Home
380: Home
381: Member Screenshots
382: Community Forums
383: Statistics
384: Member Screenshots
385: Member Screenshots
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Member Screenshots
389: Community Forums
390: Home
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Home
396: Home
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Trying to Date Photo
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:49 am
Post subject: Trying to Date Photo

Found this on Flickr. Notice there is no 'SPEARHEAD' tab and his brass has a WW1 tank. Any idears?
BIG PICTURE: farm4.static.flickr.co...33ba_b.jpg

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:46 am
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

The key is the awards worn. Appears to have a 'v' device on one.

Gen M. Rose coined the 'Spearhead' label as I recall.

Perhaps 1945 with conclusion of hostilities?

any thoughts?

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:57 am
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

I was wondering when they used that branch insignia?

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:59 am
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

It seems to me that the photo is dating from the late 40s or 50s. I have a similar "Chino" shirt which is a Model 1948 and dated from 1951.. I think that the WW2 Chino shirt has a different pattern, but this needs to be verified.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

yes, all on the right track. don is looking at the ribbons, i am looking at the uniform itself... it is post 1945 (like p-o mentioned). looks like the cotton khaki shade 1 shirt with cotton-mohair necktie. the color of the necktie wasnt changed to black until sept. 1956. also along don's notes, the enlisted collar insignia wasnt added to the uniform until 1946. (based on the doolittle board inspired 1946 pattern shirt) all post war shirts encorporated officer shirt features, that is why he is an EM with a shirt that has sholder loops.
all that said, i still cant answer your Q mark, dont know why his tab has a WW1 tank...
shawn
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

I read at another site that the current branch insignia was authorized in 1950.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

Just read at 3ad.com that the spearhead tab was added in Sept '44.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2068
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

Mark,

The Tab may have been added but I don't think it was incorporated as DA authorized till much later. The picture has to be post hostilities because he's wearing an Army of Occupation Medal, Germany as his lowest award, and that wasn't authorized until 1946. After checking the others against the DA site I think the others listed in order from the Occupation medals are, WWII Victory Medal, European/African/Middle Eastern Campaign Medal, and the American Campaign Medal. I cannot figure out what His highest ribbon is unless it's some kind of unit award. Wish the picture was larger.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
tanker2010
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
Posts: 264
Location: Kansas City, Mo.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:33 pm
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

- Joe_D
I cannot figure out what His highest ribbon is unless it's some kind of unit award. Wish the picture was larger.


Good Conduct Ribbion.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo



A new insignia for the Armored Forces was authorized by War Department Circular 56, dated 25 Feb 42. This insignia was the side-view of the Mark VIII Tank used in World War I. The insignia was continued in use until the Armor Branch was established in Feb 51. The new insignia was the result of the Army Reorganization Act of 1950 as announced in Army Bulletin No. 9. The Armored Forces and Cavalry were combined into a single branch called Armor. The Armored Forces insignia was no longer used; however, the Cavalry was continued in use as a collar insignia for personnel assigned to Cavalry Units.

Source: www.tioh.hqda.pentagon...0Armor.htm

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2068
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:26 am
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

Tanker 2010 wrote:

Good Conduct Ribbion


You know, I thought that but it just didn't seem dark enough on the edges. I Agree though, it's a GCM.

Funny family story on the GCM. My Dad was often asked if he was prior service Army near the end of his 29 years because he had one. He would reply "That's what we got before the Air Force created their own." Smile

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:23 am
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

- Dontos


A new insignia for the Armored Forces was authorized by War Department Circular 56, dated 25 Feb 42. This insignia was the side-view of the Mark VIII Tank used in World War I. The insignia was continued in use until the Armor Branch was established in Feb 51. The new insignia was the result of the Army Reorganization Act of 1950 as announced in Army Bulletin No. 9. The Armored Forces and Cavalry were combined into a single branch called Armor. The Armored Forces insignia was no longer used; however, the Cavalry was continued in use as a collar insignia for personnel assigned to Cavalry Units.

Source: www.tioh.hqda.pentagon...0Armor.htm

Don


I guess that answers one question. Only to pose another - why isn't that a picture of the distinctive Anglo-American Mark VIII then? It's clearly an earlier British rhomboidal tank, perhaps a Mark V (because US troops used Mark Vs?).

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum