±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 487
Total: 487
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Photo Gallery
04: Community Forums
05: Home
06: Home
07: Home
08: Home
09: Photo Gallery
10: Home
11: Downloads
12: Community Forums
13: Statistics
14: Community Forums
15: Photo Gallery
16: Community Forums
17: Home
18: Photo Gallery
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Photo Gallery
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Home
27: Home
28: Community Forums
29: Statistics
30: Member Screenshots
31: Photo Gallery
32: Community Forums
33: Home
34: Home
35: Home
36: Your Account
37: Photo Gallery
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Photo Gallery
42: Home
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Home
47: Community Forums
48: Home
49: Statistics
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Home
55: Photo Gallery
56: Home
57: Home
58: Member Screenshots
59: News Archive
60: Photo Gallery
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Statistics
67: Downloads
68: Home
69: News
70: Home
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Statistics
76: Home
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Home
88: News Archive
89: Member Screenshots
90: Community Forums
91: Home
92: Community Forums
93: Photo Gallery
94: Home
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Statistics
98: News Archive
99: Home
100: Photo Gallery
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Home
104: Photo Gallery
105: Photo Gallery
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Photo Gallery
111: Statistics
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Member Screenshots
115: Home
116: Community Forums
117: Home
118: Photo Gallery
119: Home
120: Community Forums
121: Photo Gallery
122: Community Forums
123: Photo Gallery
124: Statistics
125: Home
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Home
129: Photo Gallery
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Photo Gallery
138: Community Forums
139: News Archive
140: Statistics
141: Community Forums
142: Home
143: Home
144: Member Screenshots
145: Home
146: Downloads
147: Home
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: News
152: Home
153: Home
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Photo Gallery
157: Photo Gallery
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: News Archive
161: Photo Gallery
162: Home
163: Community Forums
164: Home
165: Community Forums
166: Photo Gallery
167: Community Forums
168: Home
169: Community Forums
170: Photo Gallery
171: Home
172: Statistics
173: Community Forums
174: Home
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Home
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Statistics
185: Statistics
186: Community Forums
187: Downloads
188: Home
189: Community Forums
190: Photo Gallery
191: Community Forums
192: Home
193: Home
194: Community Forums
195: Home
196: Community Forums
197: Photo Gallery
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Photo Gallery
201: Search
202: Home
203: Statistics
204: Photo Gallery
205: Home
206: Community Forums
207: Photo Gallery
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Home
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Home
214: Community Forums
215: Photo Gallery
216: Community Forums
217: Statistics
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Downloads
222: News
223: Home
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Home
228: Statistics
229: Home
230: Statistics
231: Home
232: Member Screenshots
233: Community Forums
234: Home
235: Downloads
236: Member Screenshots
237: Home
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Member Screenshots
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Statistics
245: Home
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Home
253: Home
254: Home
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Statistics
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Photo Gallery
263: Photo Gallery
264: Home
265: News Archive
266: Home
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Photo Gallery
270: Community Forums
271: Home
272: News Archive
273: News Archive
274: Community Forums
275: Photo Gallery
276: Community Forums
277: Home
278: Downloads
279: Community Forums
280: Home
281: News
282: Community Forums
283: Statistics
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Home
287: Community Forums
288: Downloads
289: Home
290: Downloads
291: Home
292: Home
293: Statistics
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Home
298: Photo Gallery
299: Photo Gallery
300: Community Forums
301: Photo Gallery
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Statistics
307: Community Forums
308: Home
309: Home
310: Home
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Home
317: Community Forums
318: Downloads
319: Community Forums
320: Home
321: Home
322: Statistics
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Member Screenshots
329: News
330: Community Forums
331: Member Screenshots
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Member Screenshots
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Statistics
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Home
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Home
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Photo Gallery
349: Community Forums
350: Photo Gallery
351: Statistics
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Home
355: Home
356: Community Forums
357: Photo Gallery
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Home
361: Home
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Photo Gallery
365: Photo Gallery
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Statistics
369: Home
370: Community Forums
371: Home
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Home
375: Home
376: Home
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Home
380: Community Forums
381: Photo Gallery
382: Home
383: Community Forums
384: Home
385: Member Screenshots
386: Photo Gallery
387: Home
388: Community Forums
389: Member Screenshots
390: Community Forums
391: Member Screenshots
392: Home
393: Member Screenshots
394: Member Screenshots
395: Community Forums
396: Member Screenshots
397: Member Screenshots
398: Search
399: Member Screenshots
400: Downloads
401: Photo Gallery
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Member Screenshots
406: Community Forums
407: Member Screenshots
408: Your Account
409: Home
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Home
413: Community Forums
414: Home
415: Photo Gallery
416: Community Forums
417: Photo Gallery
418: Member Screenshots
419: Home
420: Member Screenshots
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Downloads
424: Community Forums
425: Home
426: Home
427: Home
428: Community Forums
429: Home
430: News Archive
431: Home
432: Community Forums
433: Member Screenshots
434: Home
435: Community Forums
436: Home
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Downloads
442: Community Forums
443: News Archive
444: Photo Gallery
445: Community Forums
446: Photo Gallery
447: Member Screenshots
448: Home
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Home
454: Home
455: Home
456: Home
457: Member Screenshots
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Home
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Home
464: Member Screenshots
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Home
468: Home
469: Community Forums
470: Home
471: Community Forums
472: Home
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Photo Gallery
477: Home
478: Photo Gallery
479: Home
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Home
484: Member Screenshots
485: Downloads
486: Community Forums
487: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Bad Idea?
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:15 am
Post subject: Re: Bad Idea?

Our ACU's have the "Glint Tape",

Got a little tab that covers them until you need them. Also have a "Subdued" US Flag for night ops or in tactical situations.

Don,

Only incident I remember about an M1 and a Helicopter was when one rolled down a hill in Hohenfels and stuck an AH-1. But it could've been a Huey. Was a 105 M1 if IIRC. The Parking brake failed and the engine wasn't running so the service brakes didn't work. We had a similar incident in Korea in 1st tank in '95. This time a troop was killed. Tank was parked just west of Kouma Range on the road waiting to download service rounds for M1A1 transition. The parking brakes failed and she started rolling. The turbine takes 10-15 seconds to fully spool up and until that happens the service brakes don't work. Driver didn't know he could turn on the bilge pump to build up hydraulic pressure to get the parking brake to work. The tank crashed through a Quonset hut and killed a troop who was sleeping in bed. A very bad day. There's a lot more to the whole story with some basic corrective safety measures that should've been taken, but I won't get into that. If you ever wondered why the AUX pump kicked on whenever the turret power was switched to on with the M1A1, that was one of the upgrades from the M1's. Unfortunately by '95 most crewmembers (Drivers) coming to Korea never did any time on the older M1's and didn't know the Bilge Pump trick.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:10 am
Post subject: Re: Bad Idea?

- Joe_D
Don,

Only incident I remember about an M1 and a Helicopter was when one rolled down a hill in Hohenfels and stuck an AH-1. But it could've been a Huey. Was a 105 M1 if IIRC. The Parking brake failed and the engine wasn't running so the service brakes didn't work.

Joe D


That might be the one, but then, theres always the 'barracks rumor syndrome' and our "Beloved Leader" was a popular topic during off duty hours.

Did you happen to know of the 1st Tank Opppps. Kouma Range, Loader training with a service HEAT Shocked ,......(BANG....BOOM!!! 'OH SSHHHHIIIIITTTTT !!!!!' ) Mr. Green

Official story was a Korean War era mine detonation (?!) (The impact,....ah, explosion, was on the face of the cliff.) I happen to have heard both the Bang & the Boom, looked up, and saw the dust cloud on the side of the mountian.

Ever spend time on Camp Bonifas in the JSA? I spent the night on Dec 31-1 Jan. NOW THAT is one scarey place!!

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Bad Idea?

Uhh,

I was told about the mine incident, never made sense to me, I remember it well. Heard bang and boom, looked up and saw all the dust Shocked . IIRC it happened right before I left. Did not know of the 1st Tank "Oops". Now I know the rest of the story Smile . For a second I thought we had incoming, but Arty from the North could not hit that side of the mountain.

The million dollar question, why was the firing pin in ? We kept them in the arms room with the back plates for the crew served. Only thing the range was approved for was sub-caliber .22 "Brewster" IIRC. Funny how the "What happens in 2ID, stays in 2ID" was back then.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:07 pm
Post subject: Re: Bad Idea?

1)Firing Pins were always in the Arms room. (I've heard that there was a surplus of certain parts,....>cough, cough<, just in case one didn't make it to the Arms Room,..... )

2) TCPC at 'Taguba' Range,.....ha ha ha. ( only went there once. )

3) I heard the service round was used because no 'dummy round' was available. (instead of the 'dummy crew', that was present..... Mr. Green )

4) as for the 'Official Story',.......(yeah right!!) Since when does a single mine, have a double report? ( and it was not an echo )

Ever heard of 2nd Tanks 'Ghettoblasters'(a band?)

Life in the ROK was a totally different experience.

'SOJU HARD!!'
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Bad Idea?

Dontos said:

I've heard that there was a surplus of certain parts,....>cough, cough<, just in case one didn't make it to the Arms Room,.....




There were some guys that had one for other reasons too. Mostly for trouble shooting on command maintenance day, every Monday, with one platoon scheduled for AAC's. Also came in handy during services Wink . Also never knew when some genius would put one together wrong (120mm) and break the tip.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Bad Idea?

- Joe_D
Dontos said:

I've heard that there was a surplus of certain parts,....>cough, cough<, just in case one didn't make it to the Arms Room,.....


There were some guys that had one for other reasons too. Mostly for trouble shooting on command maintenance day, every Monday, with one platoon scheduled for AAC's. Also came in handy during services Wink . Also never knew when some genius would put one together wrong (120mm) and break the tip.

Joe D


Wink

Anything look familiar?



Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:39 am
Post subject: Re: Bad Idea?

Yeah,

One on the left is the all too often seen 120mm pin that's broke. I take it the one on the right is from a 106mm RR.

Almost 10 years working with the M68 system and never seen or even heard of a broken firing pin tip. The M256 system was always having pin problems, and for that matter, breech spring, aft cap deflector, extractor shaft, and ground faults just to name a few. I always thought it had way too many moving parts that could screw up. That and the "Backward" way to open the breech with the breech handle not fixed. Just all around a Pain in the A-- system compared to the 105.

Too many nights holding a flashlight in my teeth trying to fix another breech problem Mad .

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:50 am
Post subject: Re: Bad Idea?

- Joe_D
Yeah,

One on the left is the all too often seen 120mm pin that's broke. I take it the one on the right is from a 106mm RR.


You are correct


Almost 10 years working with the M68 system and never seen or even heard of a broken firing pin tip.


I never understood that either, but a typical 'murphy law'

The M256 system was always having pin problems, and for that matter, breech spring, aft cap deflector, extractor shaft, and ground faults just to name a few. I always thought it had way too many moving parts that could screw up. That and the "Backward" way to open the breech with the breech handle not fixed. Just all around a Pain in the A-- system compared to the 105.

Too many nights holding a flashlight in my teeth trying to fix another breech problem Mad .

Joe D


Dropping the breech was always a 'favorite' (kidding), till the volume of extractor shafts damaged during TCGST caused an end to that,....

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:30 pm
Post subject: Re: Bad Idea?

Ahhhh, for the good ol' days of percussion fired 90mm M48's. Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Bad Idea?

- Doug_Kibbey
Ahhhh, for the good ol' days of percussion fired 90mm M48's. Laughing


These are both percussion/electric detonated, tends to be a little more safe from the handling point of view.

the McGiver solution,....just a small hammer & a 9volt battery can do the trick!! Shocked

But that would be a little dangerous. Cool

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:44 am
Post subject: Re: Bad Idea?

Doug said:

Ahhhh, for the good ol' days of percussion fired 90mm M48's. Laughing


Yeah, where the TC has to reach over and re-cock the firing pin during a misfire, and lets not forget the breech operating handle was also for the TC. (90mm M41 gun if that's what your talking about).

Don,

US 105mm ammo was strictly electric primed. UK 105mm ammo was percussion cap, that's why all the TM's had warnings to keep the primer cap in place until the round was partially chambered if you used them, and that was only "Under Combat Emergency Conditions" . Electric primed is SOOO much safer Cool . I take it the Recoiless Rifles were percussion initiated.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:56 am
Post subject: Re: Bad Idea?

- Joe_D
I take it the Recoiless Rifles were percussion initiated.


yup, percussion.

As a matter of fact, as I am finding, most of the AD's (mis-fires) on the Ontos, that caused command directives of NO loaded tubes while traveling or when not directly engaged, was attributed to improper adjustments with the remote firing system of the Ontos turret systems.

Rough terrain/driving conditions caused firing pin release, thus premature weapons firing.

Brings to mind the lack of understanding IRT the Aft cap deflector tray adjustments in the early days of the M1A1.

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:11 am
Post subject: Re: Bad Idea?

Yeah,

They finally solved that one with the new, no roller system. Having brass guides instead. Then we started having the problems of crews trying to mix them with tanks that didn't get upgraded. Typical Army of the 90's. Instead of MWO'ing a whole Battalion or BDE, they only ordered kits for individual tanks when one broke or wore out.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum