Skip to main Skip to content Skip to menu

Com-Central.net

`±`Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

`±`User Info-big

Welcome Anonymous

Membership:

Latest: HighestAce

New Today: 0

New Yesterday: 0

Overall: 6648

People Online:

Members: 0

Visitors: 1628

Total: 1628

Who Is Where:

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!

Forum FAQ

Moderators

Rare Sherman variant?
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.

Forum Index › AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author

Message

horrocks
Power User

Offline
Joined: Nov 20, 2008
Posts: 20

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:33 am
Post subject: Rare Sherman variant?

I have no doubt that this has appeared here before, but please allow me to indulge..

I ran across this image on another forum, and nobody there seemed to have noticed something odd about this Russian crewed Sherman. Am I way off the mark by asking if this is perhaps the rarest and most effective (Firefly notwithstanding) Sherman variant?

That looks a whole lot like a PAK 75 to me. Any thoughts?

TJ

the_shadock
Power User

Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Rare Sherman variant?
It looks more (to me) like a classical M4A2 Sherman with a 76mm L/54 gun. P-O _________________ soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates

horrocks
Power User

Offline
Joined: Nov 20, 2008
Posts: 20

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Rare Sherman variant?
In which case I apologise. It was something about the muzzle brake. Need to swat up on my Shermies! Thanks Shadock TJ

TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Rare Sherman variant?
Granted, a lot of US Shermans in the ETO didn't have muzzle brakes as the delivery of muzzle brakes lagged behind delivery of the 76mm barrels. _________________ Trevor Dr Trevor Larkum Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk EVs

horrocks
Power User

Offline
Joined: Nov 20, 2008
Posts: 20

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Rare Sherman variant?

No, I am aware that the 76mm appears with and without the muzzle brake. It was something in the shape of the brake in this picture. The US 76mm muzzle brake has two 'ribs' which give it an epiliptical cross-section - it appears 'flattened' when viewed from fore or aft, whereas the German muzzle brakes are perfectly rounded, or circular. This photo gives an illusion that the ribs are not there, and that the brake is consequently rounded in fore/aft cross-section. However, I compared some of The Shadock's photos of the US and German brakes, and it is fair to say that on balance this does more closely resemble the US version.

Shame. It would have made for an interesting discussion.

TJ

JeffStringer
Power User

Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 637

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Rare Sherman variant?
Yep, it's a Lend Lease M4A2 Sherman with a 76MM gun. The quality of the photo does play into the final image somewhat but that is a common muzzle brake found on Shermans so equipped. Here's another picture taken from here: www.axishistory.com/in...hp?id=5275 It pretty much shows the same muzzle brake although it's at a different angle. HTH

Taranov
Power User

Offline
Joined: Jul 04, 2006
Posts: 344
Location: Moscow, Russia

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Rare Sherman variant?
It's late series M4A2(76)W with 76-mm M1A2 gun.

T26E4
Power User

Offline
Joined: Apr 14, 2006
Posts: 42

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Rare Sherman variant?
TJ: there does exist pictures of a pair of German captured ex-Canadian Firefly VCs, repainted and made up with German equipment. Curiously, one has its 17pdr QF muzzle brake replaced by modified brake from a Pak 40.

Forum Index › AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1

All times are GMT - 6 Hours

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Com-Central.net

Select Language

Login

`±`Recent Visitors

`±`User Info-big

Com-Central.net

Select Language

Login

±Recent Visitors

±User Info-big

`±`Recent Visitors

`±`User Info-big